Tazimus Prime on 10 Jul 2007 12:37 am
The Future of Kingdom Hearts
This section has to deal with past information that might affect the next game.
The night Sora received the keyblade it was stated by Nomura that was not suppose to receive it, but that it was suppose to be Riku’s. This is also backed in the game with Jiminy’s Journal. If you were to look under Riku in it it says that Riku is the True Keyblade master. Now this is not to say that Sora would not have recieved, but merely to say that at that time he wasn’t suppose to receive it. The reason why Sora did receive it, stated by Nomura, is because at the time Riku had already given himself over to the darkness. Now your probably asking yourself “what does this have to do with Kingdom Hearts 3 or the new series?” Let me answer that for you. In Kingdom Hearts 2: Final Mix+ you can battle the tallest knight Terra. Just before the battle he shares some dialog with you.
“Aqua… Ven… Keyblade… who are you? I can feel it… we have met before… it was when… No… it isn’t you… It isn’t you that I have chosen… Why is it not him… Xe… ha… nort… is that you? Xeha… nort… Xehanort!”
Here you learn the name of the other two knights and that Terra chose somebody for something. Now this could possibly mean that Terra chose Riku to originally to receive the Kingdom Key. My guess is that the fact that Riku was suppose to originally receive the keyblade is going to have something to do with Kingdom Hearts 3.
It is also worthy to the Nobody Xigbar. Because from him you learn an interesting fact. Just before the Sora’s boss fight with Xigbar he says to Sora “That out of all the ones before you, you are the weakest.” Now from this dialog we learn that Xigbar has fought other Keyblade Wielders before. This to has been confirmed by Nomura. Now when using the term weakest Xigbar means that Sora is novice when using a Keyblade. We can see this when we fight Terra. But right now this is a kind of moot point. The point of this entire conversation is that we learn that A) there are other keyblade wielders and B) that Xigbar not only fought them but defeated them as well. So the question remains, who were these other keyblade wielders. Now from the secret videos we learn that there are in fact four or five other keyblade wielders. First there are the three Knights Terra, Aqua, and Ven and the Bald Guy and the Dark Knight (the reason I say four is because it is yet unknown if the Dark Knight is a separate entity or just the heartless/nobody form of the Bald Guy). Now Xigbar could be referring to one or more of these wielders. I should also note that in a scene from Kingdom Hearts 2: Final Mix + we see Aqua’s armor and Keyblade.
Now this section has to deal with the new series.
Now Nomura has stated that the Kingdom Hearts game to come out will be part of a new series. In the Another reports he mentions that there are four missing adventures to the Kingdom Hearts series. Mickey’s time in the Dark Realm seeking: Kingdom Key: Dark Side, Riku’s adventures in between Chain of Memories, Roxas adventure with the Organization, and Xehanort’s Past. Now it was hinted at the next game would be about Xehanort’s past. You can come to reasonable conclusion from the Birth by Sleep video that you will probably be playing with Mickey and that this game is set in the past. Also the case of the videos comes into question here. The first video that you get at the end of Kingdom Hearts 2 shows a section of an Ansem report having to deal with the keyblade. Then shows Terra standing on the dragon that Xehanort road on. He then looks around two reveal Aqua and Ven. He jumps off the dragon and the dragon disappears and they walk to Sora’s, Riku’s, and Mickey’s keyblades and they pick them up. Then they look into the distance to reveal that a fourth figure is approaching. Then the words Master of Keyblades, the Lost Two, Memory of Xehanort, Chasers, and Keyblade War. Then it says “It all began with…Birth by Sleep.” Now this shows that the Birth by Sleep video happened before the first video. I believe that the first video is in fact meant to be a preview for the Kingdom Hearts 3 game. Now the second video depicts the Knights fighting a Bald Man and a Dark Knight both who wield keyblades. I believe this is meant to be a preview for the in the new series. The first game will probably revolve around Xehanort’s past (aka Memories of Xehanort) and the origins of the keyblade. You will probably playing as Mickey in this one. This will some how tie into Kingdom Hearts 3, much like Sub - Zero and Mortal Kombat 4.
This section has to deal with the Lost Two.
Now we were given a interesting piece text that gives a little insight in to who the Lost Two are and about who Terra is. This piece of text is
“Master Xehanort’s Avenger, his name is Terra.”
“Not yet awakened, he is connected to those two.”
Now this is interesting because Terra expresses much hatred for Xehanort after you fight him and in the text before battle if you choose to battle him again. You can reasonably assume that Terra and Xehanort use to be allies and that Xehanort was a good guy. Now someone on here referenced Xehanort to also mean thunder in latin if you rearrange the letters in his name with out the X in it. Now I wouldn’t have used the Power Ranger to connect this, but I have come to find that there is truth in what this person said. By rearranging the letters to form the word thonare, the more common spelling of the word in tonare. Nomura has stated that Xehanort’s becomes Another and No Heart when the X is removed. The point id that we can assume that Xehanort was a good guy a one time, but for whatever reason turned his back on the light and became a bad guy. Now the connection to the Lost Two comes from the second piece of text in which it says that Terra is not awakened and that he is connected to two people. Now the only people we have seen him with are Aqua and Ven. Another interesting piece of information is that you can only fight Terra after you have beat the game. At least ever single guide I have read about the has said that. Anyways, now Aqua and Ven are not present in Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix + because, are alluded two just before the fight with Terra, and we see Aqua’s armor and keyblade in the Room of Sleep. So is safe to assume that the Lost Two are Aqua and Ven.
This section has to deal with the Keyblade War.
Now Nomura has stated that Keyblade War was a way for him to tell us that there were fights between Keyblade Wielders. Also in the Ansem report in the beginning of the Gathering video it states that the Keyblade saved the world and that it wrought chaos upon the world. So it is safe to assume that these legends refer to the Keyblade War. This war was probably waged across the different worlds. Which is why the walls separating them were put up. We are led to believe that passage was possible between worlds do to Kiari’s grandmother’s story. Now Nomura has stated that this story is for the most part a child’s bedtime story, but he also mentioned that there is a small fraction of history in it. The Keyblade War would also explain the conflicting legends across the worlds about the keyblade it’s self. Now as for the Master of Keyblades.
Thanks to KingdomHearts3.net reader Tazimus Prime for this submission!



on 10 Jul 2007 at 3:11 am 1. Midnight Rose
Ok…wait a minute, so now you’re telling us that there is going to be a ‘new series’? How many of these games am I going to have to buy? I LOVE Kingdom Hearts, but there are many people out there who do, and are like me with no money…what’s the deal here? So there’s going to be KH3, and a bunch of others? This is just getting me confused…and I hope none are just for the ps3, or I’m screwed…I wasn’t planning on buying one…but for KH, I’m willing to go without food!
on 10 Jul 2007 at 6:47 pm 2. TheAssasinof3.0.5
ummm i dont understand for doo-doo so what theere was a keybalde war before or after that sora defeated all those people?and did sora die???
on 10 Jul 2007 at 7:41 pm 3. bill norus
wtf. I only liked kingdomhearts because of sora’s story, and how uncovers more about himself. the game is ruined if your not playing as Sora.
on 11 Jul 2007 at 4:13 am 4. @ Fan
So if im to understand this the general point i see is that every thing in the birth by sleep video is that it happens before xehanort split but answer me this why do all of the KH2 key blades look rusted and unkept like they had been there for ages? also notice that terra? grabs soras blade and from what i belive and this is only speculation but he seems to be the leader of the three. i think the message in the bottle says that the king got caught up in the war and was warning sora riku and even kari since she recived a keyblade from riku. maybe kari inherates the kings blades now the biggest night could have been riku and the one with his own keyblade was sora? ye I know this all seems stupid but think birth by sleep can mean that the king dosent belive that the three carachters arent ready so he puts them under like namine did to sora since he in fact still grew while he was sleeping so when the awaken they could be born again?
the fact that xehanorts dragon is in the waste land shows that it is in fact in the future maybe the world that neverwas absorbed the hearts from when ansem the the wise shot the heart/moon or what ever it was so much so they creat a heart for the world bot when the lat battle takes place they are in the alley between worlds maybe the destruction of the dragon and the black hole above it destroyed the land creating the waste land and even though xehanorts door was created the hearts that made it were still visable behin the door what happened to those hearts?
my last thought is this at the crossroads there are 4 groupings of keyblades so the fact oft the matter is is that three people are there and someone is walking up maybe the fourth groups weilder and since its in the distance and the sun is distorting the image its the king coming to the newley awakened Knights?
THE STROY wouldnt be good without the origonal cHaracters
on 11 Jul 2007 at 8:14 am 5. Paige
I think kingdom hearts is a beast with roxas in it and i dont think it has ruined the game.If you are only playing the game because of sora thats just sad, it’s all about the action lol and the whole story is great.I think they should keep going with the ps2 games and so on because they are better than final fantasy, they just keep losing the story and i disagree completly that they have took out tidus and yuna.Thats not right!Keep going kingdom hearts your the best.xx
on 11 Jul 2007 at 9:40 am 6. Tazimus Prime
Midbight Rose: Yes there are making a new series. No it isn’t going to be for the PS2. More then likely the new series will be on a hand held system and KH3 will be on the PS3.
TheAssasinof3.0.5: Yes the keyblade happened before Sora defeated all those people. IN nfact it happened before Sora got his keyblade, so no he didn’t die in it.
@Fan: First of all if you had read everything correctly I said that the Gathering video happened in the present/future. Plus the reason why the keyblades were there, according to Nomura, was to show that this next had to do with Sora and the gang. Riku is not the biggest knight and non of the other characters are the knights either. The knights are completely new characters that haven’t been seen in the series. Birth by Sleep is the name of the video at the end of Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix +. The fourth person walking up isn’t King Mickey. You can clearly make out that the person is human, his arms are down by his and is a cloaked figure.
Paige: If you had played any Final Fantasy games other then FF X then you would know that all the Final Fantasy have different characters and stories that happen in different worlds. Final Fantasy is one the best game series of all time. You should some the other ones. For you I would suggest you play Final Fantasy VII.
I have replied to everyone the way I think I should have. If have any questions about my theory up there I’ll answer them to the best of my possibility.
on 11 Jul 2007 at 10:59 am 7. Thimien
guys reed this post slowly, trust me it has alot of info that will answer to alot of kh questions, not to meantion anything you didnt know about the game, i think here is a good place to educate your self
Taz, you were allways better at this than me hahaha, its a fully informed article mate congrats
on 11 Jul 2007 at 7:58 pm 8. KingdomheartsMASTER
hey good job on the article Taz. anyone with questions about the next KH game has been answered.
btw:who do you think is the master of keyblades. im stuck on that myself.
on 11 Jul 2007 at 8:52 pm 9. RoxasTheTrueHalhart
I Need the new games including the Re:Chain of Memories
on 11 Jul 2007 at 8:55 pm 10. RoxasTheTrueHalfhart
Anybody here Know if they them at Warwick Mall….???
on 11 Jul 2007 at 9:35 pm 11. Tazimus Prime
KingdomHeartsMASTER: Master of Keyblade could have something to do with Riku and Sora. In the first game Sora was origenally known as the Keyblade Master, but later we learn that Riku was the true Keyblade Master. Master of Keyblade seems to be a title of some sort. It could belong to the one who is to be the leader of the Keyblade wielders. It probably has something to do with the Keyblade War as well, although I’m not too sure on that part. In fact the reason I took it out of the origenal article is because it was giving a little trouble. In any case I have come to one conclusion, I think that the current Master of Keyblade is Terra. I also believe that he origenally chose Riku to be the next, but I think that Sora is going to end up being it.
RoxasTheTrueHalfhart: Kingdom Hearts 2: Final Mix+ hasn’t been released in America. According to Square they origenally had no intentions on releasing it in America, but they are listening to the request for the Final Mix games outside of Japan, and that the we are going to get a big surprise at the end of the year. So if any of the Final Mixes come to America it will at the end of the year or early 2008.
on 12 Jul 2007 at 1:37 am 12. Some_KH_Fan
I totally agree with Tazimus Prime on the topic of final fantasy and I agree that everyone should play FF7 at least once in their life for it is the best.
BTW I’ve been thinking about who terra might be and when I saw the pic of him charging with part of his helmet breaking off he kinda loos like sora or related to sora somehow so maybe he could be sora’s father cause we dont ever see or hear him in the island only sora’s mother.
I will gladly take all the back-fire-ing( I cant remember how its written) posts now
on 12 Jul 2007 at 2:11 am 13. Tazimus Prime
Some_KH_Fan: Nomura has said that the knights and current characters are connected, but a blood relation is highly doubtful. I think Terra would have reconized his own son in KH2FM if he was his father. The reason Sora’s father hasn’t been introduced is because he is unimportant to the story. It’s the same with Riku’s parents. Beisdes they never enough time on Destiny Island to actually get to see their parents any ways. So there you go.
on 12 Jul 2007 at 2:22 am 14. Some_KH_Fan
Yup that prety much is a satisfying reply
thanks
I maybe the biggest fan in school but I somehow forget Nomura’s words of Kh guidence
on 12 Jul 2007 at 2:23 am 15. Some_KH_Fan
woah where is this websites home because its like 4 hours earlier over here
on 12 Jul 2007 at 2:35 am 16. exdeath64
it is located in hell. i think it has an east coast time. anyway, we need final fantasy worlds! like gaia, blamb garden or whatever the world in VI was called! i would love to stick it to kefka with a keyblade!
on 12 Jul 2007 at 2:39 am 17. Tazimus Prime
exdeath64: As much fun as that would be, Final Fantasy worlds aren’t gonna happen. Nomura likes to put as little Final Fantasy in the game as possible. Which is part of the reason alot of characters barely resemble their Final Fantasy counter parts. The game isn’t called Final Fantasy: Kingdom Hearts after all.
on 12 Jul 2007 at 2:40 am 18. Tazimus Prime
Oh and as for the time zone thing. I think clock is set to like Englands time Zone.
on 12 Jul 2007 at 3:08 am 19. saysay
will there be a next game after the 3rd kingdom hearts? cuz i heard there may b no more after this 3rd kingdom hearts game… i hope they’ll make more!!!
on 12 Jul 2007 at 3:22 am 20. Tazimus Prime
No one k nows if there is going to be another, they are starting a new series however so that should answer your question.
on 12 Jul 2007 at 3:47 am 21. Some_KH_Fan
I think (I dont know why) that they are going to make 6 kh games
I hoper not becuase im gonna be like 30 or 40 if that happens also I hope they end the series while im still alive -_- it would suck to die and be in the still midle of the series
on 12 Jul 2007 at 3:49 am 22. Some_KH_Fan
Tazimus is’nt the new series like a side quest like the chain that is going to connect kh1-2 with Kh3 like chain of memories(which coincidentally has the word chains in it ku ku ku)
on 12 Jul 2007 at 5:30 am 23. Metal_Chocobo
hey one question…and I only read it once so I may be mistaken, but I think you said that the events in “Birth by Sleep” occurred before those of “The Gathering”…but if you watch “The Gathering” immediately before “Birth by Sleep” you can see that they seem to flow perfectly and the clouded figure at the end of “The Gathering” is revealed to be our “Bald Guy”…I belive…so it would seem that “Birth by Sleep” is instead, a continuation of “The Gathering” because they involve the same characters in the same setting…idk maybe you didn’t notice or maybe I’m wrong…watch them in sequence and let me know me what you think!
on 12 Jul 2007 at 5:35 am 24. Metal_Chocobo
yeah…I just watched them again and I’m pretty sure that they are meant to be viewed in sequence like that…
on 12 Jul 2007 at 5:54 am 25. Tazimus Prime
Some_KH_Fan: I believe that the new series is going to be set in the past. I believe that you’ll be playing as King Mickey and that the game will be about Xehanort’s past and the origins of the keyblade. I think it will tie in with Kingdom Hearts 3, nuch of the way Sub-Zero did with Mortal Kombat 4.
Metal_Chocobo: I do know that is seems like these two videos go hand in hand, but there are several differences between the two videos that you’ll notice if you watch carefully. These differences are as follows:
1. The person mysterious person walking up to you in “The Gathering” video has his arms down by his side, the Old Man in “Birth by Sleep” video is walking towards you with his arms behind his back.
2. The Knights capes in the two videos are different. In “The Gahtering” video the Knight’s capes are all different colors. Terra’s is Black, Ven’s is white, and Aqua’s is a pale blue or purple. In “Birth by Sleep” the capes are all white.
3. The Sora’s, Riku’s, and King Mickey’s keyblades just happen to disappear in “Birth by Sleep”.
4. The text at the end of “The Gahtering” says this “It all began with…Birth by Sleep”. The name of the second video is “Birth by Sleep”.
5. At the begining of “the Gathering”, Terra is standing on top of the dragon that Xemnas rides to get to Kingdom Hearts. Now if it all began with “birth by sleep”, why is the dragon there?
These are the main reason why I say that “Birth by Sleep” happened before “The Gathering” and why I say they two different previews for two different games.
on 12 Jul 2007 at 9:52 am 26. Spanish Fan
We can be sure that the events shown in the Birth By Sleep Videdo occur in some past moment because we can see that the “Dark Knight” is wearing the same suit (or a mostly similar one) that Riku wears when Ansem takes over him. but it has not the same symbol of the artificial Heartless made by Xehanort in the Hollow Bastion but another one. I think it means that the Heartless have not yet been created at the moment in which the battle takes place. Another reason for thinking it’s occurring in the past is that Mickey wears the Keyblade Yen Sid gives to Sora in Kingdom Hearts. It should mean that Mckey has just finished his magic training and that he has also been taught some fighting skills to use the keyblade. So, does Yen Sid have the necessary knowledge on how to use the keyblade? Perhaps he was a Chosen Wielder of the Kyblade before his pupil Mickey and then he “chose” him just like Terra did with “someone”. And I suppose now that the Bad Guy did chose the Dark knight to wear the keyblade. And now, referring to Riku’s suit again, perhaps the Dark Knight is no other than Xehanort himself. Now realise that the Bad Guy wears the same clothes that Xehanort wore in KH I. If the last lines are true, then the Bad Guy will pass his task and his powers to Xehanort, who will asume his appearance. Or perhaps he will betray his master and then steal his identity just like he would do with Ansem the Wise some years before. So, when the Three Knights die, they chose three new wielders to receive their keyblades, and when terra sees the keyblade sora wields, he then realises that something has gone wrong and that the one he chose, riku, has not received his own keyblade but another one. perhaps sora was the one chosen by Ven, as he seems to be mostly identicall to Roxas, who must be considered some kind of alter-ego for Sora. But then Aqua should have the same appearance as Naminé… That could perhaps be the explanation for Roxas wearing to keyblades instead of one, perhaps he is both Sora’s nobody and an anterior chosen one… well, i don’t know. The theory of the Masters and the Pupils has much of Star Wars, i know, jaja…
on 12 Jul 2007 at 11:48 am 27. Tazimus Prime
Spanish Fan: Ah, well all you basically said is tuff I think I said my article, with exception of the stuff about King Mickey and Yen Sid which I should have put in the post above. Ah well I haven’t got anything to prove or disprove with this. So ok.
on 12 Jul 2007 at 12:49 pm 28. V
Some ppl have really bad typing skills…typos here n thr like the replies on top.
=.= just a curiosity, do u guys actually look at what ur typing??
on 12 Jul 2007 at 1:25 pm 29. Tazimus Prime
V: I do after I post and if I had made a mistake i generally correct it. Sometimes I don’t though.
on 12 Jul 2007 at 3:46 pm 30. Metal_Chocobo
Ahhh…Taz…your powers of perception astound me!!!…but really that was good…very perceptive I didn’t notice any of those differences, and what you’re saying now makes perfect sense, thanks for clearifying for me…the endless theories and guesses are now swirling through my head…but hey toward the end of the vid, as terra removes his helmet his eyes seem to change from blue to yellow, what do you think that means???
on 12 Jul 2007 at 5:53 pm 31. toni
I heard that there was going to be a new series and a kingdom hearts 3. We’ll just have to wait and see.
This is a good theory, btw
on 12 Jul 2007 at 7:43 pm 32. KingdomheartsMASTER
The time has come to reveal a shocking revelation to everyone about the next KH game. Are u ready?
Xehanort = Terra.
You may be wondering how this could be possible. Xehanort is Terra’s nobody. Terra and Sora share the connection that they both crated a heartless and a nobody, yet survived when their heart were taken.
The name Xehanort without the X is NO HEART which would fit with my theory. Terra lost his heart at one point yet regained it like Sora did. But he still created a Nobody and a Heartless. Xehnort is his heartless. Xemnas is his nobody.
Terra is the avenger of Xehanort because he is responsible for creating Xehanort. Xehanort is a part of him.
Also more evidence is the words that Terra says to Sora after thier fight.(the egnimatic soldier fight at the end of KH2 Final Mix)
Why is it not him… Xe… ha… nort… is that you? Xeha… nort… Xehanort!”
Also this piece of text given to us by nomura is more evidence.
“Master Xehanort’s Avenger, his name is Terra.”
So my conclusion is that Terra has to defeat Xehanort for terra created him. He chose riku to be a keyblade wielder, but Xehanort got to him and pulled him to the dark. These explanations i believe are good evidence for this theory of mine.
Please comment.
on 12 Jul 2007 at 10:05 pm 33. Tazimus Prime
Metal Chocobo: I’m looking into the eyes turning yellow right now. I can only recall one interview with Nomura where he was asked about it. If I remember correctly Nomura said it represented a change in him of some kind, but I may be confusing that with another interview and a different question he was asked. Give a couple of days and try and find that interview.
KingdomHeartsMASTER: Ok, I have to say your wrong in this instance, mainly because you are drawing way out there conclusions. First of all Avenger means that you exact revenge for someone. There fore Terra would be seeking to defeat Xehanort, but avenge him for what Sora did to him. Secondly Xehanorts name also becomes Another, when the X is removed. Thirdly Terra looks nothing like Xehanort when he was human. Xehanort had long Silver/Grey/White Hair down to the middle of his back, Terra’s is shoulder length. Now it is obvious thet Terra knew Xehanort and hated him, but I covered this in my theory. The Another part could mean that Xehanort and Terra are brothers. Actually if Xehanort were one of the knights, which he isn’t due to the fact that Nomura said they are completely new and never been seen in the series before, I’d be more inclined to believe him to be Ven. As someone was pointing out something else with the Secret Ansem Reports, the ones that concerned Xehanort.
I shall perform an experiment to probe the depths of a person’s heart. One of my own apprentices, Xehanort, has volunteered to be a subject.
The young man has served me ever since I nursed him back from death’s door some years ago.
He had lost all his memories at the time, but later showed remarkable intellectual curiosity and readily absorbed my teachings, gaining deep wisdom. Any mental immaturity is surely due to his young age.
If I explore Xehanort’s heart with psychological test, I may be able to recall the past locked away within. My apprentice Even has also shown great interest in Xehanort’s memories.
But is he really the right subject? Xehanort does indeed exhibit extraordinary talents…
Too extraordinary…
Perhaps they are even superhuman.
He remarks Xehanort to be a young man that nursed back to heakth from death’s door. Now if I remember correctly Ven was nearly killed in “Birth by Sleep.” So if Xehanort were any of the knights I would have to say he was Ven, but he is not becuase Nomura said he wasn’t.
on 12 Jul 2007 at 10:08 pm 34. Tazimus Prime
TYPO CORRECTION:
Therefore Terra would not be seeking to defeat Xehanort, but avenge him for what Sora did to him.
on 12 Jul 2007 at 11:57 pm 35. KingdomheartsMASTER
Taz i somewhat agree with what you said, but i honestly believe that Terra is in the same scenario as Sora.
There Nobodies have the ablitiy to do whatever they want. both terra and sora havee strong hearts. which could be the explanation of my theory.
I believe that some of what i have said is truth. it was a revelation i had when going through the info about terra and the secret ansem reports.
i will keep working on this theory. i have taken back my stance about xehanort being the nobody of terra. but i do believe they may be the SAME person.
on 13 Jul 2007 at 1:00 am 36. Tazimus Prime
KingdomheartsMASTER: The thing is that we have nothing to base Terra loosing his heart on. There is no proof that he lost his heart anywhere. So if he hasn’t lost his heart then he can’t have a Nobody or Heartless. So there is nothing to base this on.
on 13 Jul 2007 at 1:21 am 37. KingdomheartsMASTER
that is the major flaw with my theory. i know. but they havent said if he has lost his heart at all or not. so the possibillity is still out there. but i get your point taz.
on 13 Jul 2007 at 1:24 am 38. Kahou
You guys should check out my counter argument to the comparison of FF/KH on it’s respect editorial page.. Seriously..
I kinda want Taz’s feedback.
on 13 Jul 2007 at 1:35 am 39. Master Xehanorts Avenger(Lingering Spirit AKA Terra)
if Xehanort is Terra’s Nobody then why does Xehanort have a nobody?
This is my theory
No Heart=Heartless right?
Another Heartless?
Maybe the Xehanort we killed waz a fake
on 13 Jul 2007 at 2:26 am 40. Mars
Well, Xehanort possessed Riku in KH1 at Hollow Bastion. Perhaps Terra was possessed by the actual Xehanort, and when he became a heartless, it was actually Terra under the influence of Xehanort possessing Riku. Confusing thing to explain, but just an idea.
In other words, Terra became “Ansem” the heartless when Xehanort possessed him.
on 13 Jul 2007 at 4:24 am 41. Metal_Chocobo
You guys are making some very long strides…possibly in the right direction, or possibly going nowhere…I’m not going to say that anyone’s right or wrong but rather that we should work more with what we can see than with what we can imagine…I know, that’s what theories are all about, but we’ve got to work with what we have…otherwise it’s just very creative fan fiction, not saying your theories aren’t thought through…I’m begining to think that Terra and Xehanort might infact, have some kind of connection like what you all are saying…Taz says that when his eyes turn yellow, that signifies a change in him, and although Taz mentioned that his hair is a different lenghth and color, they are the same style…and as we all know, this is anime (more or less) and hair ALWAYS counts…after all, it’s how we could tell that sora and roxas were linked before it was revealed….just saying
on 13 Jul 2007 at 7:47 am 42. Sora
yes lol i wanna do it
on 13 Jul 2007 at 1:29 pm 43. andrew
khmaster
if xehanort is terra’s nobody then why does xehanort have a nobody by the name of xemnas
from organisation 13. now can u explain that to me coz im confussed coz im prety sure nobody’s cant have nobodies
on 13 Jul 2007 at 2:53 pm 44. Daylight
well honestly no one said it was impossable eather lol we dont know if nobodys can or cant have nobodys.
If someone lets them selvs dive into darkness, does it really matter if they are a normal person or a nobody, i think the efect would be sort of the same. We just assume its not possable for a nobody to bring out another nobody, because thats game theory, but the game theory allso tells us, once a heartless allways a heartless, and Sora came back, it should be impossible but it hpn, you get my drifft
on 13 Jul 2007 at 9:20 pm 45. sam
hi, im kinda new to this but i hpray u get this message. i have reason to believe that the new project is kh3 but iam not 100% sure. u hav brought up many interesting facts that me and my friend have delved into. i would like u 2 respond a.s.a.p. hear are my thoughts on kh3. i believe that at a certain time a new keyblade wielder is chosen,hence riku. but as you notice in kh2 kiari is wielding a keyblade and of cource so can sora. these points will be in no order so try and work with me hear! also as we see in the first game riku and xehanort have a strong connection between them and i did not mean that in a sik way! i believe that as long as riku lives xehanort lives my belief originated from three main sources kh1 and kh chain of memories. i think that riku will be killed. sorry riku fans, but if one lives the other must. i have never played kh2final mix but i understand its really fun and interesting to the story. soon after i read the part about the Room of sleep, i thought of the words birth by sleep and i think wat ever is in that room will be a major part in kh3. now all i hav said u might already know but i hope this is usefull to u. somthing just came to my attention well like u said the keyblade will be used 4 good and bad well wat if that is wats been going on wat if the keyblade fell in the wrong hands. now i know 4 a fact that the “bald guy” is infact Xehanort. now most people belive that the secret movies took place years ago, but all my conclusions say that is wrong and that the movies were based on the era of evil. why do u think xehanort beat all those chasers. and if u notice in the last part of the movie the clouds open to reveal the Kingdom Hearts itself.
anyway i hope u find this interesting and if anyone has any comments please post them on this page
on 14 Jul 2007 at 1:12 am 46. Tazimus Prime
Sam: First, Nomura has actualley talked about the keyblade wielders and how many there really are. He said that there are as many as those that have the hearts that quallify for it. Basically there are more then what has been shown. We know Xigbar has met them. Second, Xehanort possed Riku in Kingdom Hearts 1, probably because he was the true Keyblade Master and that he had already given himself over to darkness. In Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories we learn that Xehanort was not expelled from Riku’s after his defeat. Now remember we are only talking about his heartless her. In Kingdom Hearts 2 Riku uses the power of darkness in his heart (aka Xehanort’s power) to capture Roxas. When does this he can’t change back to Riku on his own. When Ansem’s machine explodes Riku has been returned to normal. Now the fate of Xehanort’s heartless is in limbo here. We really don’t know what has happened to it. It was either destroyed, expelled from Riku’s heart, or is now dorment still inside Riku. I personal believe that it has been destroyed or atleast expelled from Riku. “Birth by Sleep” is the title of the secret video from Kingdom Hearts 2: Final Mix+. The Room of Sleep however has something to do with the next game, but not the room itself. See whenever Xemnas entered the room he would always talk to someone, even if no one was in there with him. We learn this in videos from the KH2 FM+ videos. In one of the videos they mention the Room of Awakening and that it must be connected to the Room of Sleep. Now in an interview Nomura said that the Room of Sleep was used like Castle Oblivion, in that it wasw used in the Organizations Experements on their own memories. Also in the video where Xemnas enters the Room of Sleep we can see Aqua’s armor and keyblade in there. As for the bald guy being Xehanort, only one person has come close to convencing me of that and he had very good arguement. I was able to show him were he was wrong, but I didn’t say he couldn’t be Xehanort either. Now here is the interesting thing, “Birth by Sleep” happened in the past, well before the “The Garthering” video anyways. At what point this happened we don’t know. Also the keyblade can be used for good or evil, it all depends on the wielder. So as long as the wielder has teh quallified heart then he can wielda keyblade and do what he wants with it.
Daylight: Okay you have to remember that Nobody is created from the body and soul of a person that has there heart taken. They are non-beings created from darkness. N
on 14 Jul 2007 at 1:30 am 47. Tazimus Prime
Sam: First, Nomura has actualley talked about the keyblade wielders and how many there really are. He said that there are as many as those that have the hearts that quallify for it. Basically there are more then what has been shown. We know Xigbar has met them. Second, Xehanort possed Riku in Kingdom Hearts 1, probably because he was the true Keyblade Master and that he had already given himself over to darkness. In Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories we learn that Xehanort was not expelled from Riku’s after his defeat. Now remember we are only talking about his heartless her. In Kingdom Hearts 2 Riku uses the power of darkness in his heart (aka Xehanort’s power) to capture Roxas. When does this he can’t change back to Riku on his own. When Ansem’s machine explodes Riku has been returned to normal. Now the fate of Xehanort’s heartless is in limbo here. We really don’t know what has happened to it. It was either destroyed, expelled from Riku’s heart, or is now dorment still inside Riku. I personal believe that it has been destroyed or atleast expelled from Riku. “Birth by Sleep” is the title of the secret video from Kingdom Hearts 2: Final Mix+. The Room of Sleep however has something to do with the next game, but not the room itself. See whenever Xemnas entered the room he would always talk to someone, even if no one was in there with him. We learn this in videos from the KH2 FM+ videos. In one of the videos they mention the Room of Awakening and that it must be connected to the Room of Sleep. Now in an interview Nomura said that the Room of Sleep was used like Castle Oblivion, in that it wasw used in the Organizations Experements on their own memories. Also in the video where Xemnas enters the Room of Sleep we can see Aqua’s armor and keyblade in there. As for the bald guy being Xehanort, only one person has come close to convencing me of that and he had very good arguement. I was able to show him were he was wrong, but I didn’t say he couldn’t be Xehanort either. Now here is the interesting thing, “Birth by Sleep” happened in the past, well before the “The Garthering” video anyways. At what point this happened we don’t know. Also the keyblade can be used for good or evil, it all depends on the wielder. So as long as the wielder has teh quallified heart then he can wielda keyblade and do what he wants with it.
Daylight: Okay you have to remember that Nobody is created from the body and soul of a person that has there heart taken. They are non-beings created from darkness. Sora was turned back into human form because of Kairi. So in order for a Nobody to create a Nobody that correspondong Nobody would have to have something to lose. Unfortunatly, a Nobody is an empty shell, something created from the Body and Soul by darkness. Nobodies don’t have anything to lose to create another Nobody. Now Sora was interesting case because the first Nobody created from Sora was Namine. Sora’s body and soul were used as a medium in her creation. Now when Kairi turned Sora back to his human form, Sora’s heartless was used in the creation of Roxas. This shows that Nobodies can be created by other means then someone losing their heart. Now Nobody might be able to created from another Nobody goes through a change like Sora was. Basically a Nobody would have to have recovered his heart. Which would return him to the person he was and a Nobody would be created from the Nobody he once was. This Nobody would probably be nothing more the then a simple Dusk however, becuase only those with strong hearts could become a Human Nobody. Since a heartless is created from the heart however the potental for it to be a Human Nobody is there. So if Xehanort was Terra’s Nobody, and there was a Nobody created from him, then it wouldn ‘t have been Xemnas for a Nobody has no heart.
on 14 Jul 2007 at 8:23 pm 48. Enigmatic Deity
I just figured if the room of sleep has some relation to the secret ending, maybe the gathering place (secret ending) is the room of awakening
but honestly, i dont think thats the BIG mystery of KH III, i think the big cheese is who was the voice that spoke to Sora in the room of awakening
on 14 Jul 2007 at 8:23 pm 49. Enigmatic Deity
i mean station of awakening
on 15 Jul 2007 at 3:32 am 50. Artimas
well khmasters theory is good.But this is what i think i think that xehanorts heartless was ansem (the fake ansem) and xemnas was his nobody or ansem was his nobody and xemnas was his heartless what do you think?
on 16 Jul 2007 at 4:24 pm 51. dragon12
dang who here had a problem beating sephiroth on proud mode, i wonder if his and clouds lil spat will go any further on the 3rd one
on 16 Jul 2007 at 4:28 pm 52. dragon12
wow u all know alllloooot
on 16 Jul 2007 at 7:14 pm 53. dragon12
ok im back, ow seems like i missed lalot
on 16 Jul 2007 at 8:07 pm 54. sam
Alright, there’s a few things I would like to straighten out. By the way, this is Sam’s friend talking.
Fact: The keyblade wars happened a long time ago.
Fact: There were four chasers who forged the keyblade: Ven, Aqua, Terra, and Xehanort. In other words, the bald guy in the secret movie is Xehanort back when he was a Chaser. At the end of Kingdom Hearts 2, the King sent a message to Sora. This message read that some part of Xehanorts soul still lives and has regained his memories and powers of being a Chaser. Basically, the only person who has a chance against him is King Mickey. The ultimate dark versus the ultimate light.
Fact: After the three remaining Chasers and the King defeated Xehanort, he lost his memories and powers.
Fact: After the Keyblade Wars, the Chasers knew their time was drawing to a close and passed the keyblade onto the only being who’s power equaled there own; King Mickey.
Fact: Since then, the keyblade has chosen other masters, such as Riku(who missed his chance because he fell to darkness, so the keyblade took it’s second choice: Sora), Sora, and Kairi.
Fact: Sora means air; Ven also means air, Kairi means water, so does Aqua, and Riku means earth, so does Terra. Because of this, I believe the threesom have some connection to the Chasers.
on 16 Jul 2007 at 8:14 pm 55. sam
Artimas you r a fool! that is just commen knowledge! dontspeak to the masters!
scusse my temper
on 16 Jul 2007 at 8:16 pm 56. sam
(Sam’s friend)
By the way, Sam and I are not noobs. We have each beaten every game several times on normal and proud mode, read the comics, and are typing to you morons who think you know everything on this stupid website.
on 16 Jul 2007 at 8:20 pm 57. sam
RESPOND AS SOON AS POSSIBLE,
THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on 16 Jul 2007 at 8:25 pm 58. dragon12
HAHA, MAN, I HAD NO CLUE IT WENT THAT FAR, WELL KINDA, BUT NOT TO THE POINT WHERE SOMETHIN BOUT A CHASER AND WHAT NOT, THATS OSM
on 16 Jul 2007 at 9:31 pm 59. sam
Thanks for the compliment dragon 12. Please write us and tell us what you think.
on 16 Jul 2007 at 9:36 pm 60. sam
Kingdom Hearts (so called) Master, you are a fool. No offense, but Xehanort can’t be Terras nobody, because Xehanort has a nobody (Xemnas) and a nobody can’t have a nobody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you know anything about Kingdom Hearts, it should be that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on 16 Jul 2007 at 9:37 pm 61. sam
hi
on 16 Jul 2007 at 9:40 pm 62. sam
Kingdom Hearts (so called) Master, you are a fool! No offense, but Xehanort can’t be Terras nobody because Xehanort has a nobody, and a nobody can’t have a nobody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you knew anything about Kingdom Hearts it should be that!
on 16 Jul 2007 at 9:40 pm 63. sam
Kingdom Hearts (so called) Master, you are a fool! No offense, but Xehanort can’t be Terras nobody because Xehanort has a nobody, and a nobody can’t have a nobody!
If you knew anything about Kingdom Hearts it should be that!
on 16 Jul 2007 at 9:41 pm 64. sam
Kingdom Hearts (so called) Master, you are a fool! No offense, but Xehanort can’t be Terras nobody because Xehanort has a nobody, and a nobody can’t have a nobody!
on 17 Jul 2007 at 6:02 am 65. dragon12
WISH I KNEW THAT MUCH CRASP BO0UT KH 1 2 AND 3
on 17 Jul 2007 at 10:49 pm 66. KingdomheartsMASTER
sam. shut up. i know that. my theory is that Terra is Xehanort’s creator. dont start with me sam. you noob to the site. you have no right to say any crap. and i earned this name of mine.
on 18 Jul 2007 at 1:29 am 67. Tazimus Prime
Sma’s Friend: Let’s talk about these so called facts.
Fact 1: The keyblade war happened a long time ago.
Ok the Keyblade War may have happened in the past, but we don’t know how far. What we do know is Xehanort appeared in Radiant Garden after the Keyhblade War. You discover this by watching a video from KH2 FM+.
Fact 2: There were four chasers who forged the keyblade: Ven, Aqua, Terra, and Xehanort. In other words, the bald guy in the secret movie is Xehanort back when he was a Chaser. At the end of Kingdom Hearts 2, the King sent a message to Sora. This message read that some part of Xehanorts soul still lives and has regained his memories and powers of being a Chaser. Basically, the only person who has a chance against him is King Mickey. The ultimate dark versus the ultimate light.
OK first of all we don’t know if the Knights are the Chasers, and there is no evidence to prove that they are. Second, there is no evidence to support that the knights made the keyblades. Thirdly there is slime, if any, proof that the Bald Man is Xehanort. Fourth, no one knows what the messege read. Fifth, there is nothing to suggest that King Mickey is the only one that can fight him.
Fact 3:After the three remaining Chasers and the King defeated Xehanort, he lost his memories and powers.
There is no proof that Xehanort being defeated by any body caused him to lose his memories.
Fact 4: After the Keyblade Wars, the Chasers knew their time was drawing to a close and passed the keyblade onto the only being who’s power equaled there own; King Mickey.
There is nothing to suggest that they passed the keyblade on to King Mickey or that ‘their was drawing to a close’. In fact, Terra’s appearance in KH2 FM contradicts that.
Fact 5: Since then, the keyblade has chosen other masters, such as Riku(who missed his chance because he fell to darkness, so the keyblade took it’s second choice: Sora), Sora, and Kairi.
Now this is the only one that is factual. Keyblades do shose there own masters, but there is more then just the ones that have been shown, Nomura has stated this.
Fact 6: Sora means air; Ven also means air, Kairi means water, so does Aqua, and Riku means earth, so does Terra. Because of this, I believe the threesom have some connection to the Chasers.
Ok you are only partly right here. Sora means sky, Ven, short for Ventus, means wind. Kairi means sea, Auqa means water. Riku means land, Terra means earth.
So in the end most of your facts turned out to be unproven opinions. You only had two true fact. One partal fact. The rest were opinions that you didn’t support with any evidence. So your gonna have to do better then that. Also, out of respect of others, You or Sam shouldn’t be calling people stupid or say that their theories are dumb, or calling us morons. Please respectably reply to theories and tell them where they are wrong and why. Also reapeating a message that someones theory is stupid is a sign of a noob.
on 18 Jul 2007 at 5:13 am 68. aj
i have a question
sora’s keyblade is given to him by the light
i understand that
but why does his keyblade have the kingz seal
i asked dis cuz nobody did
on 18 Jul 2007 at 5:17 pm 69. Josh77spazz
aj has a good question. how did the kings seal get on the keyblade if the keyblade was made a long time ago? and what about the road to dawn? that was just a keyblade version of souleater. and riku got it after “The Gathering”. and wasn’t soul eater made by maleficent?
on 18 Jul 2007 at 6:45 pm 70. Thetrueemotion
All i know is that i can not wait for the third game to come out. I just hope that it is on the Xbox 360 because i cannot afford a PS3.
on 18 Jul 2007 at 6:46 pm 71. Thetrueemotion
or i guess the fourth game. I meant Kingdom Hearts 3
on 18 Jul 2007 at 6:57 pm 72. Tazimus Prime
Ok there are somethings you have to remember. Somethings shown are just game mechanics. The keychains are only there to help explain you getting different weapons. As for Way to the Dawn, Soul Eater became Way to the Dawn after Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories. In “The Gathering” that video is set in the prsent, while “Birth by Sleep” happens in the past. Nomura has said that he put those keyblades there to show that Sora, Riku, and Mickey have a big part to play in Kingdom Hearts 3 and that they wont be left behind.
on 18 Jul 2007 at 7:17 pm 73. Josh77spazz
my last questions. since master yen sid gave sora star seeker and also told him he was connected to everything, does that relate to sora be connected to the 3 armored people?
then you see mickey with star seeker at the end of “Birth by Sleep” that would mean that that happened after or before he got stuck in the realm of darkness. right?
and it make sense to me if it was after since he couldn’t use a keyblade until the end of the first kingdom hearts.
so is it possible that ansem the wise told him of xehanorts memory(if he had any memory at all or even if ansem restored it)and then went to look for any possible information leading to the fight and possibly finding those 3 armored people?
now about the fight
since xigbar fought more than one keyblade wielder, could he be the armored figure with dark armor in birth by sleep in his original body before he became a nobody? cuz as a nobody he wouldnt be able to wield a keyblade unlike roxas. as you said somewhere else you said that roxas was made of remnants of soras heartless. which gave him th ability to wield a keyblade(two). but as xigbar did not turn back to normal which ment he could not wield one at all. unless he was refering after that when he fought(if true)ven and aqua. he could have been the one to put the armor in kh2:fm.
and since it would be xibar as a normal person, wouldn’t that be considered a new character? either that or was he the hooded figure in the gathering?
please answer
on 18 Jul 2007 at 9:56 pm 74. Beanie
Personally i have a few “Theroum” on the whole matter
One of them is that the war of the blades is set in the past (I think we can gather that anyways) But that the present and the past, are some how linked together.
Sora, Riku And Kairi will all meet their predacessor’s (The people who pass the keyblades onto them) and i personally believe that “Ven” is ment to be Sora, as From the video we see that “Ven” and “Aqua” Have a sort of connection shall we say, which in the previous games only Sora and Kairi share (And the fact that Riku is True master, which would make him the leader) From this i believe that “Terra” in order to win, has tapped into the dark power within him, same as which it seems the “Bald Guy” has done (Possibly shown with the change in the eye colour?) We also see the explanation of Riku doing this in KH2, tapping into the power in order to seal vitory over Roxas.
I believe the reason theres a link is that Xehanort has somehow found a way back there, in order too (Or already has) Recover his memories, and potential power that the “Bald guy” Show’s he has, this could possibly be an answer for Xehanort lossing his memories and also the power to weild the keyblade.
Short story, Theres a link between the past and the Future, Xehanort rediscovers his memories Xehanort = The bald guy, Terra = Riku
Ven = Sora, Aqua = Kairi
I know this Theory is out there, And i no there is NO WAY to prove anything that i said, but its a possibility right?
Besides All the “Proven” Theories that are out there as based on two 3 min and 2 min video’s and some streatched words from the game creator, so in order to “Prove” a fact from something like that is kinda off.
on 18 Jul 2007 at 10:22 pm 75. Josh77spazz
beanie:there is a chance that xehanort and the bald person are connected but nomura said that these were completely new characters
on 18 Jul 2007 at 11:22 pm 76. Enigmatic Deity
maybe the room of awakening is another name for the station of awakening
who knows, the old man had a keyblade and so far the character he matches most is xehanort, so maybe when xemnas wanted a keyblade as well, but it would be possible if the only way it would enter the station/room of awakening, these theories are not provem, and i know T Prime is gonna tell me its not true, which i dont hate, but anyways, the thing that puzzles me most is, who was the voice that was speaking to Sora, the day he had the dream about the keyblade
on 19 Jul 2007 at 3:30 am 77. KingdomheartsMASTER
hey thanks for having my back Taz.
on 19 Jul 2007 at 7:15 am 78. Tazimus Prime
Josh77spazz: First, who said King Mickey couldn’t wield keyblades before he went to the realm of darkness. The is that he that he could. If someone has the qualiffied heart they can wield a keyblade. The begining of the new game in the new series will probably be King MIckey getting done training at Yen Sid’s. So that would mean it happened before he went to the realm of darkness. Second, Xigbar was one of Ansem’s students. He first met the keyblade wielders while he was still learning under Ansem the Wise. So, no, Xigbar isn’t one of the keyblade knights.
Beanie: First, where are you getting this connection between Ven and Aqua from. I honestly heard people say the same thing and I don’t see it. All she did was catch his body to it from shardering on the ground and looked worried when she was seeing if he was ok. After seeing he was still alive she cast reflect on Terra. I mean are you people saying there is a Sora and Kairi connection. Secondly, Nomura has stated that there is a connection between Sora and co. and the knights. So your idea of there being a connection isn’t wrong. Now if Ven is suppose to be for Sora, maybe, you can make a strong case for it. But I would like to remind you that Terra did pick up Sora’s keyblade, not Riku’s. So it seems the connection have changed.
on 19 Jul 2007 at 9:35 am 79. Tazimus Prime
Enigmatic Deity: As I have said before. The only way to get a keyblade is for you to have the qualified heart. Nomura stated this in an interview. You dan’t have to go to a special room or station or whatever you want to call it. Where you are getting this station of awakening, I don’t know. Nomura has also said that there is a room of awakening and yes he called it a room.
on 19 Jul 2007 at 1:25 pm 80. mk
i think kingdom hearts is the best role playing game in the whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooole damn world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on 19 Jul 2007 at 2:30 pm 81. Josh77spazz
Cool, thanks tazimus. those questions were bothering. anyways yea, there is a Room of Awakening. if you watch the translated version of “The New Headquarters” you find out that Xemnas’s original plan was to use Castle Oblivion for the Room of Awakening. this was around the time when Marluxia just joined the Orginization. it has something really wierd about it tho. he says and confirms that xemnas was probly around the time of keyblade wars. not in that exact way though. he says:
“How many years ago was it? People with blades of keys started to appear and fought great battles. When they were gone a man who had lost his memories appeared. Xemnas…no. Xehanort was taken in by ansem around that time, was he not?”
and then they talk more about him. this is the actual thing that Xigbar said. or it migt have been axel i dont know, he had a hood on.
on 19 Jul 2007 at 2:57 pm 82. Josh77spazz
well actually he found the room of awakening at castle oblivion. he did nt create it but he did create the room of sleep
on 19 Jul 2007 at 3:03 pm 83. Josh77spazz
and the whole passing down keyblades i dont really believe. i think they did pass it down but when riku went into darkness it got mixed up. plus you have to remember that the keyblade CHOOSES ITS OWN MASTER! thats why it went back to sora when it was supposed to stay with riku. it chose sora.
on 19 Jul 2007 at 3:04 pm 84. #13 Luv_Roxas
Wait wait wait…. is HE DIZ/Ansem the Wise….
Who is HE!?
on 19 Jul 2007 at 5:22 pm 85. Josh77spazz
no HE in xemnas/xehanort
on 19 Jul 2007 at 5:25 pm 86. Josh77spazz
Some people say that Birth by Sleep came first. This is indeed FALSE. If it came first then in the Gathering it would look like a mountainous region and the blue heart would be there. Unless you are suggesting that they were nice enough to clean there mess(not). Plus, you see Mickey at the same place in Birth by sleep. So if it did come first then the heart would not be there and the keyblades would also be there.
on 19 Jul 2007 at 5:43 pm 87. Beanie
Tazi: “But I would like to remind you that Terra did pick up Sora’s keyblade” I said that Terra was linked to Riku, and according too you Riku is the true master, and would have received this Keyblade had he not gone into the darkness, so it was passed onto Sora which would be the reason Terra is weilding the Keyblade that Sora will come to weild himself
And the connection, i dont know was just a wild guess, but since the Creator said that there was a connection then i could be proven right
But like i said theres no way i can back up my theory so its just a wild guess
on 19 Jul 2007 at 11:31 pm 88. keyblade Master
I just want to know out of all your theories will
sora be the mane character of kh3 plese tell me
on 21 Jul 2007 at 2:40 am 89. wiseguy21
This is just a thought, but bear with me; Terra mentions that Sora is some kind of thief or something of that nature when he is confronted in final mix 2, he states that Sora is not the one that is supposed to end up with his keyblade, now what if Riku was supposed to be the one that was to end up with Terra’s keyblade (Kingdom Key) and that in a scene in the first Kingdom Hearts could explain why. In the begining of Kingdom Hearts 1, when it is night time and things have begun to get out of hand (heartless appearing, etc.) Riku stands on the edge of their “hangout” (palm tree on the edge of bridge I believe) Sora runs to him but is blocked by a shroud of darkness and is somewhat engulfed by it with riku, afterwards Riku disappears, and Sora is the only one that remains, but with a small prize: The Kingdom Key, its possible that this could explain how Sora somehow “stole” or ended up with a Keyblade (maybe he was never destined to get a keyblade at all) and then Riku is taken over by the darkness (Xenanort) and is given the Keyblade of Darkness to use, this theory is proven even more later on in the game when Riku can take the Keyblade from Sora with ease, where others have failed. Another thing to speculate from this is why Xenanort seems to be always with Riku, since Darkness(Xenanort) is embedded into Riku’s heart he is able to use the Keyblade of Darkness and is always being stalked by Xenanort (in the Gameboy version+first KH). Now this is a pure theory but it is good food for thought for the game and one thing that I also seem to notice is Aqua, Kairi speaks of how her grandma always telling her stories of the worlds and how they used to be connected, and then that something occured (maybe the keyblade wars, which would prove that it happened in the past), maybe Aqua is Kairi’s Grandmother and that is why Kairi can use a Keyblade (also didnt Kairi come to the island from another “world”), to backtrack a bit, Riku (when he is in Xenanort’s form in KH2) is actually the one that gave Kairi the keyblade which makes the thought even more profound that he is the “True” keyblade wielder.
on 21 Jul 2007 at 3:29 am 90. ViVi
well good theory. its partly true but nomura said they were new characters so kairis grandma isn’t aqua. and as for the keyblades your right that the keyblade did go to sora but if you remember at the beginning of kh, it says the keyblade chooses its own master. so it could mean that he was supposed to get it, but it goes to sora because it CHOSE sora
on 21 Jul 2007 at 5:08 am 91. wiseguy21
Maybe the keyblade did pick Riku, but then when Riku was taken by the darkness, the keyblade was forced to take on a new weilder, Sora. So maybe this is why Riku was still able to take the keyblade from Sora in the first Kingdom Hearts at Hollow Bastion. Because Riku was originally the first chose of the keyblade. Then again, in Kingdom hearts 1, Riku gets his own dark keyblade, after Sora defeats Riku in Hollow Bastion, and takes the keyblade back. So I’m not quite sure, just a theory. Maybe the previous owner of the keyblade does chose who gets the keyblade. Because in the Terra cutscene in Final Mix Plus 2 shows that Terra is angry that Sora recieved HIS Keyblade. Terra says that he chose some else to recieve that keyblade, So maybe Terra was the weilder of the kingdom Keyblade, and had chosen Riku or someone else to have the kingdom Keyblade, but for some reason Riku didn’t get the keyblade.
on 21 Jul 2007 at 11:25 am 92. Beanie
Your all forgetting that even evil can weild the Keyblade
So when Riku went into darkness, it wouldnt of matterd.
on 22 Jul 2007 at 6:32 am 93. Js
please respond but is sora and riku and donald and goofy in kingdom hearts 3????
on 22 Jul 2007 at 11:50 pm 94. Josh77spazz
well it kinda wouldnt happen since that was before sora’s time(or at least thats what people believe). but if you saw the enigmatic soldier fight then you learn that he thought he was xehanort. but after sora won he realized he was wrong. and you find out that terra didnt choose him. aand as for him getting mad. i dont know exactly but i think they went there to prevent what the old an was going to do. but they failed so i guess thats why he is mad.
on 23 Jul 2007 at 4:02 am 95. Gary
Think 4 a sec…..the preview to Kingdom Hearts 3takes place in the past…why in the Final Mix version Sora fights one of these guys….SOra didnt exist then…..whats the catch? I know you guys seen the video..and at the end of Kingdom Hearts 2…Sora,Riku and Kairi was lookin at a letter from King Mickey. Then the secret ending came. How is it in the past and Sora fought with Terra?
on 23 Jul 2007 at 3:43 pm 96. riku's brother
wasup its riku s bro here i gt the bazzoka blade man i wip ass wat u lot doin u only see me in k h 4
on 23 Jul 2007 at 3:47 pm 97. riku's brother
hi again is sora here no he must be wiv goofy in mickeys castle oh well wassup hu likes ,en wiv wedgys i bet garys a bum boy
on 23 Jul 2007 at 10:18 pm 98. Sora
Wow…
on 24 Jul 2007 at 4:53 am 99. wiseguy21
waa?? who? wat? where?
on 24 Jul 2007 at 9:31 am 100. Tazimus Prime
wiseguy21: Riku was suppose to be the origenal recepient of the Kingdom Keyblade, but because Riku gave his heart over to darkness the Keyblade went to the next strongest heart, Sora. This has all been confirmed by Nomura. Nomura also states that no one can wield a keyblade unless they have the required heart, so Sora is a keyblade wielder. Now it is merely theory that I and other share that Terra chose Riku to wield the Kingdom Keyblade, because of what he said at the begining of the battle in KH2 FM+.
To everyone: You all should read the new Nomura INterview posted on the site. It covers the fact that, though that the next game is not KH3, there will be a Kingdom Hearts 3 later. He also says it will probably be for a hand held system. And that Sora will be back in Kingdom Hearts 3, but he wont be in this new game.
on 28 Jul 2007 at 9:13 pm 101. Rai
i got a theory based on terra and xehanorts connection.
i got this picture in my head of terra and xehanort once being friends, but then xehanort was corrupted by darkness and out of that did something terrible (a MAJOR hole in my theory, i know) leading to terra hating him. terra would then confront and fight xehanort, and winning the fight, he banished xehanort to another world/time. more exact, to the time when ansem found him and took him under his wings.
i REALLY want taz’s reply on this, so please comment
on 29 Jul 2007 at 7:33 pm 102. rob livingstone
this is my theory for kh3:
when a heart stoops to darkness, a heartless is formed, when this happens, the body and soul become a nobody. In kh1, Kairis love of Sora returned his heart after having been turned into a heartless. This has never been deeply explained. If heartless can be returned to normal-why do they do not? why do they stay a heartless? The hearts themselves go to kingdom hearts. So why do Hearts fear the keyblade? Ansems report says all that is gone from existence through the keyblade(the dead heartless) will return to the light (kingdom hearts). So why does the heartless not meet its heart in kingdom hearts and become human. Is there some divine being within kingdom hearts that can somehow intervene with this process. Perhaps this being considers itself a god
of sorts. I think the man in the distance of the birth by sleep trailer is the being which controls a hearts passage to its body. Maybe the heartless do this beings bidding in the hope that it will allow its passage back to its body. Maybe the heartless fear the keyblade because this being uses it to prevent the passage from heart to body. I know this is complicated but does anyone agree with me?
on 29 Jul 2007 at 7:44 pm 103. #1 DinestyX
nice theary but I think Kiri could do that cuz she is a princess of light
on 29 Jul 2007 at 11:16 pm 104. sam
hey guys, this is sams friend. sorry about calling you guys jerks, that was out of line. i would just like to say that i really do enjoy your point of views. but is still stand by my theory about kh3.
on 30 Jul 2007 at 7:22 am 105. Tazimus Prime
Rai: Well Rai your theory is actually quite. Now there is alot we don’t know about the relationship between Terra and Xehanort, all we really know is that they know each other and are connected. Now I’m working on a theory that states Xehanort and Terra are brothers, but I only have very slim evidence to support it. So it wont be seen around here for awhile. As for the hole in the theory, well since we don’t much you filled in the best you could, so we are just gonna have to wait and see.
rob livingstone: Well Rob your whole theory reminds of something a theory I made once. I called it the goddess of fate theory, in the end however I determined it be false. Now I’m gonna have to agree in a way with #1 DinestyX here about why Sora returned to normal when being a heartless. Now Nomura has talked about heartless and Nobodies returning to normal. He said that when a heartless is destroyed the heart goes to Kingdom Hearts and waits for its corrisponding nobody to be destroyed. So basically a being generally doesn’t return to normal unless his nobody and heartless are destroyed. Sora however was a special case. That is why it doesn’t happen. Seeing has how Kairi is a Princess of Heart that probably had something to do with it, along with the fact that she loves him.
on 30 Jul 2007 at 3:43 pm 106. Beanie
Heres something to think about
Why are some heatless more powerful then others? Same goes for the Nobodies, some are mindless machines whilst others take human form and (Xehanort) can pose a threat to humanity
Its to do with the hearts they once had, and personally thats why i believe that Sora will never turn to darkness because his heart is the keyblade’s heart the strongest of all.
on 30 Jul 2007 at 7:37 pm 107. Tazimus Prime
Beanie: With the Nobodies it is true that when one had a strong heart that it takes the form of a human. But heartless are a different story. Xehanort creates certain heartless infact all heartless with his symbol on them were created by him, emblem heartless. That basically leaves only four types of heartless that were not created using that machine, the Shadow, Neo Shadow, Dark Balls, and Dark Sides. Now how heartless decide to take which form we don’t know. If it was heart then Sora wouldn’t have became a simple shadow heartless now would he. Maybe heartless grow stronger the longer they are a heartless. As for why Nobodies and heartless pose a threat it is because they are beings born from darkness, it is as simple as that. Now we have covered why certain Nobodies take human form and have a mind of their own, but why did Sora’s and Xehanort’s heartless have minds of there own. Well to simply put it, it is because when they became heartless they chose to become them. Unlike all others Xehanort chose to become a heartless to travel to other worlds, while chose to become one to give Kairi her heart. That is why Xehanort and Sora still had there own minds when they were heartless.
on 30 Jul 2007 at 11:59 pm 108. Wiseguy21
All of this brings many things to light, kudos to Tazimus Prime, Beanie, Rob, and the others. A question I still have is why Xemnes (Xehanort’s Heartless) kept his own human form and was able to control all the other heartless and make his own army. We know that he was related to Terra, Aqua, and Ven but at some point he must have been slain by the keyblade and then seperated into his Heartless(Xemnes) and Nobody(Xehanort) forms. Even Sora only retained a human form in his Nobody form (roxas)and was a normal heartless when he was slain.
on 31 Jul 2007 at 12:06 am 109. Wiseguy21
All of this brings many things to light, kudos to Tazimus Prime, Beanie, Rob, and the others. A question I still have is why Xemnes (Xehanort’s Heartless) kept his own human form and was able to control all the other heartless and make his own army. We know that he was related to Terra, Aqua, and Ven but at some point he must have been slain by the keyblade and then seperated into his Heartless(Xemnes) and Nobody(Xehanort) forms. Even Sora only retained a human form in his Nobody form (roxas)and was a normal heartless when he was slain. Why did Sora have a weak heartless? Someone previously mentioned that the longer you are a heartless, the stronger you become, so maybe since sora was a heartless for such a short time period, he did remain weak. This makes the idea of the Keyblade War happening a very long time ago, very believeable, think, if Xehanort was slain and seperated into his Nobody and Heartless forms such a long time ago, this would give time for his Heartless form to grow in strength and power. But wait, wouldn’t that mean he was a Nobody when Ansem took him under his wing???
on 31 Jul 2007 at 5:09 am 110. Tazimus Prime
Wiseguy21: No, Xehanort was not slain with a keyblade to become a heartless and a nobodie. When Xehanort was getting ready to travel the worlds he put himnself through his own heartless creation machine. You learn this in the Ansem Reports in Kingdom Hearts 1. By choosing to become a heartless it allowed him to keep his own individuallity. Now Xehanort’s heartless was a emblem heartless, that is part of the reason he was different from a normal heartless. Now Xehanort was whole when he was found Ansem the Wise, not a Nobodie or Heartless.
on 04 Aug 2007 at 1:28 pm 111. Tazimus Prime
Concerning Roxas and Namine.
Now alot of people are under the specualtion that Roxas had a heart. This is in fact false. Roxas did not have a heart. Although he was unquie for a Nobody, he could wield keyblades and simulated feelings, he didn’t have a heart. Now as we know in Kingdom Hearts 1 Sora used a keyblade to unlock his heart to release Kairi’s heart and became a heartless. At this point in time a Nobody was born, but it wasn’t Roxas. In Scret Ansem Report # 12 we learn that Namine was created from Sora’s sacrifice. This is due to the fact that Kairi is a Princess of Heart, and therefore has no darkness in her heart. So for body and her remained in tact and couldn’t be absorbed by darkness. Now Roxas came into being when Kairi turned Sora’s heartless back into human, we learn this in the same Ansem report. Roxas used the remains of Sora’s heartless as a medium to create himself. In essense Roxas was created from Sora’s heart. This supported by the fact that he could wield keyblades, which requires a strong heart to wield. Due to the fact that he was created from Sora’s heart he could simulate feelings. This would also help explain why he didn’t have Sora’s memories. Where a normal Nobody is created from the body and soul, Roxas was created from the remains of a heartless. Therefore he really wouldn’t have Sora’s memories.
on 06 Aug 2007 at 5:42 am 112. Conor
any1 notice that yen sid is disney backwards. Not saying that’s important or anything just throwin it out there.
on 06 Aug 2007 at 8:41 pm 113. Tazimus Prime
Yes it has been noticed.
on 08 Aug 2007 at 3:58 pm 114. mike2
maybe riku the only the can kill xehanort
on 08 Aug 2007 at 4:00 pm 115. Tazimus Prime
There is no evidence to support that Xehanort is even still alive after Kingdom Hearts 2.
on 08 Aug 2007 at 4:06 pm 116. mike2
if the keyblade war is set in the future then maybe terrahas a member of organization XIII and terra passes on to the good side and xehanort doesn’t want and betrays terra
on 08 Aug 2007 at 4:08 pm 117. mike2
if the keyblade war is set in the future then maybe terra was a member of organization XIII and terra passes on to the good side and xehanort doesn’t want to and betrays terra
on 08 Aug 2007 at 4:14 pm 118. mike2
you’re right but listen to this “birth by sleep” rigth? it maybe means that xehanort was frozen in the end of kh2 or maybe that he fellow asleep in the room of sleep and was awken not in the room of awkening but, in the room of sleep years later and for unknowed resons he starts the keyblade war
on 08 Aug 2007 at 4:14 pm 119. mike2
you’re right but listen to this “birth by sleep” rigth? it maybe means that xehanort was frozen in the end of kh2 or maybe that he fellow asleep in the room of sleep and was aweken not in the room of awkening but, in the room of sleep years later and for unknowed reasons he starts the keyblade war
on 08 Aug 2007 at 4:15 pm 120. mike2
you’re right but listen to this “birth by sleep” rigth? it maybe means that xehanort was frozen in the end of kh2 or maybe that he fellow asleep in the room of sleep and was aweken not in the room of awekening but, in the room of sleep years later and for unknowed reasons he starts the keyblade war
on 08 Aug 2007 at 4:32 pm 121. mike2
tazimus prime why does sora has a special case (concerning is returnal to his normal form while being a heartless)?
on 08 Aug 2007 at 7:12 pm 122. Tazimus Prime
mike2: First of “Birth by Sleep” is the name of the secret video at the end of Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix. Secondly, Xemnas (Xehanorts Nobody) was destroyed at the end of Kingdom Hearts 2. Thirdly, Ansem, seeker of Darkness,(Xehanort’s Heartless) was probably expelled from Riku’s heart in destroyed when the machine exploded in Kingdom Hearts 2. So Xehanort didn’t fall asleep anywhere or anything like that. Fourthly, the Keyblade War has already happened. If you watch a video from Kingdom Hearts Final Mix + you learn that Xehanort was found in Radiant Garden after the War. Fifth, Terra is a completely new character and not a memeber of Organization XIII. The organization was only comprised of those 13 members, Nomura has confirmed this. Now as for Sora returned to his human form when he was turned into a heartless. See a normal persons hearts are comprised of both darkness and light. When one loses there heart it is swallowed by the darkness and it turns into a heartless. Now this does not apply to Kairi because she is a Princess of Heart and her heart only contains light. Now because of this when Kairi lost her heart, her heart, body, or soul could not fade into darkness. Instead her heart went into the nearest body which happened to be Sora’s. Now when Sora unlocked his hearts to set Kairi’s heart free his turned into a heartless and his body and soul turned into Namine. Because Sora chose to become a heartless he was able to keep his own mind and be an individual, unlike the hive mind of other heartless. Now when Sora came into contact with Kairi she was able to expell the darkness that swallowed his heart and return a body and soul to him because she is a Princess of Heart. Now the remains of his heartless were used as a medium to create Roxas. So Roxas was really a missing part of Sora’s heart. That is why Sora was a special case. Because a normal Nobody is created from a Body and Soul of who they once were. Roxas was created from Sora’s heart, in a manor of speaking.
on 09 Aug 2007 at 9:53 am 123. darkdestiny
After reading this entire article, I’m starting to feel like Sora is somewhat a similar character as Ruuji in ZOIDS: Fuzors, being just a novice right from the beginning.
And I wonder, do we ever have a hint on Aqua and Ven that they are still alive after the battle? How was Xemnas able to get Aqua’s armour and keyblade in the first place? And was Ven able to survive when his entire body got frozen by that Bald Guy?
I can say it is likely that the Dark Knight from the Birth of Sleep is a Nobody of the Bald Guy; or at least it’s safe to depict that.
Anyway, regarding the story of Riku after the Chain of Memories, I believe it is linked to the secret movie in KH, called Another Side, Another Story. It is possible that Riku had been there.
I never knew Sora is a Heartless at one point; so now I know. Since the creator of Kingdom Hearts hinted that there is a connection between Sora and Ven, can it be that Sora’s heart is not complete yet?
All of the above are just my own theories that I want to empty out of my mind after reading this article. There’s still many mysteries surrounding Kingdom Hearts, and I don’t think it will stop at Kingdom Hearts III (the official game) yet.
on 09 Aug 2007 at 11:30 am 124. mike2
is chain of memories before or after the keyblade war?by the way why is the crossroads from the secret ending of kingdom hearts 2 equal from those from rikus ending in chain of memories
on 09 Aug 2007 at 3:35 pm 125. Tazimus Prime
mike2: Chain of Memories happens right after Kingdom Hearts 1, so it happens after the Keyblade War. The crossroads are a medaphor for the choices we have to make, some are dark (bad) and some are light (good) and some are just in between.
on 09 Aug 2007 at 3:46 pm 126. Tazimus Prime
darkdestiny: To answer your questions 1. I believe Ven and Aqua are alive. You see Ven’s eyes move after being frozen ans as how Aqua’a armor and keyblade got into the room of sleep, I really don’t know. I think they are still alive, but they are lost (AKA the Lost Two). 2. Yes it is possible that Riku was int that, in fact he was they one with the blind fold on. Nomura had confirmed it in an interview. That scene took place in The World the Never Was and it tells what happened just before Riku’s fight with Roxas. The fight with Roxas will probably be the last fight for Riku in his game, which according to what we have learned, should probably be the third game in this new series. 3. First of all Nomura hinted that there was a connection between the knights and the current characters, he never gave specifics. To answer your, Sora’s heart is complete.
on 09 Aug 2007 at 4:31 pm 127. Beanie
Does anyone else notice that Ven’s Keyblade shatters as hes frozen and thrown of the mountain?
on 09 Aug 2007 at 11:36 pm 128. Tazimus Prime
Yes I noticed that too.
on 11 Aug 2007 at 7:27 pm 129. salsa king
hey guys i just found out some great info!!!!!!!!!
sorry bout muy english im not from hear. well i waz on my computr an tetsuya nomura said that the main enemy in kh3 will be xheanort and gave some detail on the story hear it is he said that one of the main characters will dye and he hinted that it was someone connected to xheanort. Riku! it has to be and that will suk if he dies. but if u want anymore info respond asap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on 13 Aug 2007 at 6:06 pm 130. Tazimus Prime
And where did you get this information?
on 16 Aug 2007 at 5:37 am 131. darkdestiny
To Tazimus Prime:
Yes, thank you for your answers to my questions about the KH series. I never got to play the game, but I did get to see certain portions of it, including all secret endings.
Both Aqua and Ven’s status in the Kingdom Heart series is still unknown. Yes, I did see the second secret trailer, and noticed very clearly that Ven’s eyes are moving. But as for Aqua’s equipment, I don’t really know either.
And yes, your next answer confirms my suspicion that Riku had fought Roxas during the time of KH2. Riku did claim that he fought Roxas at one point in KH2, and when he transformed back into his own self, he WAS wearing a black blindfold, which he took off.
I think there’s a chance that the 2 secret endings that we see in KHII and KHIIMix+ are not the real endings of the upcoming movie. We may get to know more about the 3 new characters AFTER the secret ending scenes. But one thing’s for sure, I doubt Xemhanort WAS even at the place. Look at the difference in the skin colour of the bald man and Xemhanort and you’ll get what I mean.
To salsaking:
I don’t know where you got the information either. But if it’s really true that one of the 3 characters will die, then it’s most probably got to be Terra. Those who had played the KHIIMix+ would have noticed that it’s his “soul” that was at the scene. It’s likely that he died before he even fought Sora in that game.
on 16 Aug 2007 at 11:49 pm 132. Tazimus Prime
All you have to do is ask and I’ll answer any question to the best of my possibility.
on 20 Aug 2007 at 6:44 pm 133. kyuubi
I agree with tazimus pride’s theorie of the lost two…it actually makes sence, just like many sayngs about for eg. xehanort - another…it may actually be true, that in the next game there will be a new enemy, and i think that those soldiers are related to sora and cº because they are the other part, the so called ” another “.
theres only 1 thing i dont get…why or how did kairi get her nobody free? i dont understand it, because she never got to be a heartless…
on 21 Aug 2007 at 5:53 am 134. Tazimus Prime
Namine was born from Sora’s body and soul when he unlock Kairi’s heart from his body. Roxas was born later from Sora’s heartless when Kairi returned him to human form. It’s in the Secret Ansem Reports.
on 21 Aug 2007 at 10:05 am 135. kyuubi
thanks…i didnt check it if it was there because my PS is broken beyond repair, so i couldnt do it
But i thought of something….maybe the secret movie isnt xehanort at all and maybe riku is related to him, if not the real one, not the one who went to radiant garden, that lost is memories.
I had a good theorie, but i stupidily forgot it, if i recall i will put here, so you can tell me what do you think…
on 21 Aug 2007 at 10:06 am 136. kyuubi
thanks…i didnt check it if it was there because my PS is broken beyond repair, so i couldnt do it
But i thought of something….maybe the bald guy in the secret movie isnt xehanort at all, maybe Terra is is nobody or heartless or another and maybe riku is related to him, if not the real one, not the one who went to radiant garden, that lost is memories.
I had a good theorie, but i stupidily forgot it, if i recall i will put here, so you can tell me what do you think…
on 24 Aug 2007 at 8:47 pm 137. sam
F U Tazimus Ill have my vengence Bi**h and ul be sorry u…. Tazimus NERD!
We have resources you couldn’t dream of, so just stop acting like you know things you don’t understand! Those things we wrote are facts, so study them well noobs! By the way, since there is no realistic info on this site, consider this our final entry.
Sincerly
King Mickeys humble servants
on 25 Aug 2007 at 5:07 am 138. Jax
When I was reading above, it talked about how in the past Xehanort was a good guy when you remove the X. Well, Roxas is Sora when you remove the X. Just thinkin out loud…
on 27 Aug 2007 at 8:07 am 139. Tazimus Prime
Jax: the removed forms Another and No Heart. It doesn’t form a name. I need to talk someone to get my article updated here.
sam: I’m glad you’re gone. I will not miss you sense all you did was call people noobs. SO see ya later noob.
on 28 Aug 2007 at 8:42 am 140. darkdestiny
Kingdom Hearts 3, as stated by the director himself, will be more of a series, which sounds quite a bit like Final Fantasy VII. I wouldn’t want to assume things, but a lot of work will be done in Kingdom Hearts in terms of covering the events that are not told in the previous games of KH.
As for the Keyblade War, it can be assumed that it did occur in the past, and wreaked havoc in the worlds and thus led to the events of the original Kingdom Hearts. And the event of “Birth by Sleep” occurred when King Mickey goes missing.
As for the argument that I had in the other editorial page, I did assume that Xemhanort is not involved in the events of Birth by Sleep. Other than appearance differences, my stand is that, the bald guy is someone of higher ground/level than Organization XIII from the darkness, and is able to create Kingdom Hearts to a way better extent than even Xemnas himself.
I’m not certain if Xemhanort was ever in contact with Ven, Terra and Aqua. But I think one can assume that to a certain extent.
The above are just my hypothesis, and they may not neccessarily be true.
on 28 Aug 2007 at 8:46 am 141. darkdestiny
Talking about Xemhanort, have he actually appeared in the Kingdom Hearts series at all? As I read from Wikipedia’s details about the character, only King Mickey had met the real Xemhanort, while Xemnas a.k.a. Ansem had been the one fighting against Sora and Riku all the time from KH.
on 29 Aug 2007 at 6:08 am 142. Tazimus Prime
darkdestiny: Xehanort himself has appeared in the series once in Kingdom Hearts 2. There is a flash back with him in it. It shows has he was before he he ousted Ansem the Wise and took his identity.
on 29 Aug 2007 at 6:35 am 143. darkdestiny
Yeah, I understand. But in the storyline, I’m absolutely sure he wasn’t involved in the entire Kingdom Hearts series. Perhaps his role will be a lot more crucial in the next part of the series.
on 29 Aug 2007 at 6:39 am 144. darkdestiny
I think it’s already revealed in the battle between Roxas and Riku about the latter’s change in form, taking into account that the short clip from KH, Another Side, Another Story. Or am I too slow to notice that?
on 30 Aug 2007 at 11:30 pm 145. Tazimus Prime
darkdestiny: Actually Xehanort has been the main villian in Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2. Just two different forms of him, Ansem (his heartless) and Xemnas (his nobody). He has been involved in the series since the begining. Also Riku’s change in form is because he used the power of darkness in his heart. It was mentioned in Kingdom Hearts 2 and shown in Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix.
on 03 Sep 2007 at 4:47 pm 146. ViVi
taz, i heard a few people keep saying thatbirth by sleep came last. this isnt true. i dont even know why they believe it but it makes a lot more sense seeing how the scene changes in the second trailer. and if it did come last then the crossroads wouldnt be there. plus mickey go’s to the place with the blue heart so birth by sleep has to be first. but then it makes you wonder when did it happen in birth by sleep and how ven got unfrozen.
on 03 Sep 2007 at 7:45 pm 147. khking
tazi how do you know all this stuff
on 04 Sep 2007 at 8:26 pm 148. Tazimus Prime
ViVi: I think “Birth by Sleep” will have happened before the begining of the new game. The new game in the series is the first in a series of side stories. Xehanort’s past, King Micky’s time in the Dark Realm, The year Riku spent with DiZ, and Roxas’ time with the Organization are just four of the stories in the series. The first two will probably be about Xehanort’s past and King Micky’s time in the Dark Realm and you’ll probably play as King Micky. Naturally the other two games you’ll be playing as Riku and Roxas. If people would just read the interviews, the Ansem reports, and watch the videos they could figure it out for themselves.
khking: Like I said above, I read the interviews, watch the videos, and read the Ansem reports. Playing the games also helps. I also use a good bit of logical reasoning and try not over reach. Before I make all my theories I look for info to support it and info that doesn’t contradict it. So that is my secret.
on 05 Sep 2007 at 4:05 am 149. Zeromus
hey taz, i was wondering how that story of your’s and heartless’ ended? some of the guys on kingdom hearts 2 forum are having trouble with a guy who thinks he is a character from the story.
on 05 Sep 2007 at 4:16 am 150. Black Heart
but i am but not any more let me solve your qustion yes i am real and i have all ways been black heart and not any one else so i know who i am
on 05 Sep 2007 at 4:19 am 151. Zeromus
well if you are then the way you were destroyed in the story will hurt you.
on 05 Sep 2007 at 8:22 pm 152. Tazimus Prime
Ok, really don’t wont to deal with you two. But Zeromus is right, the Black Heart was destroyed in the story.
on 06 Sep 2007 at 1:10 am 153. darkdestiny
I never knew there’s a difference between Heartless and Nobodies, but never mind.
In any case, the fight that occurred in the secret trailers will likely occur in King Mickey’s time in the realm of darkness.
on 06 Sep 2007 at 7:39 am 154. Tazimus Prime
I don’t think so. I think it occurs before then. Nomura said that there are four untold stories so far. The four are Xehanort’s past, King Micky’s time in the Dark Realm, Riku’s year with DiZ, and Roxas’ time with the Organization. He basically said that these are going to be the stories the the new series is based on. So I think it will happen before King Micky goes to the Dark Realm.
on 07 Sep 2007 at 1:34 am 155. dreama
Well this is all a puzzle if we all put our heads and my 12 year old brain we could all come up with a reasonable prediction to all the kh 3 theorys and questions! Though easier said then done-_-
Even me being a huge kh fan and kh being my favorite game of all time I still don’t know a few things’O_O
on 07 Sep 2007 at 8:40 pm 156. shizuka
hi guys
i just realised something about 1 of da next KH game… maybe Ven is xehanort, you know why? because according to Nomura-san and the games, before xehanort come to radiant garden, he lost is memories, and i think, that, when Ven got ffrozen, he lost is memories, and plus, in final mix 2, xemnas is talking to Aqua, and says the word “friend” if im not mistaken…
on 07 Sep 2007 at 8:53 pm 157. Blasted
oye
i realised that maybe Ven is xehanort, because, when he xehanort reaches radiant garden, he is memorie-less, and think that maybe when Ven got frozed, he lost his memories, and, plus when xemnas is talking to aqua in fm 2, he says ” friend” if im not wrong…i dont know, but its just coincidence, but is very likely that im right…
on 07 Sep 2007 at 9:08 pm 158. ViVi
hey taz you made that blackheart thing right?
i heard from zeromus and heartless
ne ways you know theres a guy goin around saying he is the real BH? he actually thinks he can do stuff others cant and thinks he is born from darkness
lol
on 07 Sep 2007 at 9:22 pm 159. Tazimus Prime
shizuka & blasted: You can actually make an arguement that Ven is Xehanort, and with the right amount of info it would be a strong arguement too. However, the fact that Nomura has said that Ven is a character that has never appeared in the game before, and the fact that Xehanort in as a full being has been seen before, makes me think other wise.
ViVi: Yes we created the Black Heart, and yes I have heard about that guy coming on here calling himself Black Heart. But what do you want me to do about it? I think it’s funny and everything.
on 08 Sep 2007 at 6:23 am 160. ViVi
well of course birth by sleep came before the new game. i undrstood that but i forgot the name of that other video The Gathering. some people thought that came second which i dont believe true at all. seeing how the seen changes after Birth by Sleep.
on 08 Sep 2007 at 10:31 am 161. Ashen Lionheart
Xigbar never said he BEAT any keyblades, just that the other ones he’s seen were better with the keyblade (although I’d like to see how well THEY fight with half of their memories and all of their combat ability missing).
on 09 Sep 2007 at 12:35 am 162. Tazimus Prime
Ashen Lionheart: I know, I have to change it. If have seen this revised article around the site you would notice that that part was corrected.
on 09 Sep 2007 at 11:44 pm 163. Sora
that is going to suck how are they gonna make a new series when they still havent finished soras story how are they going to end it with the king getting a letter from king mickey.
on 09 Sep 2007 at 11:45 pm 164. Sora
that is going to suck how are they gonna make a new series when they still havent finished soras story how are they going to end it with sora getting a letter from king mickey.(sorry about that)
on 10 Sep 2007 at 3:08 am 165. Tazimus Prime
The new series is a set of side stories that already exist in the Kingdom Hearts universe. These new games will just explore those stories. They haven’t ended Sora’s adventure yet. They’ll pick up with him when they start working on KH3.
on 10 Sep 2007 at 11:48 pm 166. Ashen Lionheart
KH3 coming out some time in 2009/10 (the next KH game will come out some time fairly soon, but KH3 won’t be coming out for a while).
on 12 Sep 2007 at 12:12 am 167. dreama
shizuka: You may be on to something i agree but xehanort kinda has tanish dark skin and has gold eyes but your theory is very interesting! me i at first thought the three knights were sora, kairi, and riku but turns out logic tells me otherwise thats none of them. Does anyone know the year kh3 comes out ?. Oh well I suppose all we can do is wait and find out(cries)-_-
on 12 Sep 2007 at 3:54 am 168. Ashen Lionheart
If there were once four keyblade wielders, and Xehanort was one of them, he would likely have been friends with the others, Aqua included. I suspect the yellow-eyed man is some incarnation of Xehanort. He’s been the end boss of every game in the series so far, and if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it, right?
on 12 Sep 2007 at 4:23 pm 169. Beanie
dream - Your most likely right, and shouldnt doubt your self
If indeed this game is set in the past, then that would mean that Riku, Kairi and Sora could indeed be decendants of the 3 key blade wielders of legend with xehanort being the 4th
on 13 Sep 2007 at 9:12 pm 170. DiZ
Very nice theory,
But in KHII:FM+, don’t you have to defeat Terra to view the secret ending?
on 14 Sep 2007 at 8:12 pm 171. Kingdom Loser
so Sora wasnt really supposed to get the keyblade? then what were his dreams about in the first Kingdom Hearts? and you know, in my opinion, i always thought Sora was a powerful weilder but i guess not that powerful huh?
on 14 Sep 2007 at 11:45 pm 172. Ashen Lionheart
Perhaps Riku had already called out to the darkness by the time of Sora’s dream in KH1. Maybe it’s inexplicable and just a tutorial.
on 15 Sep 2007 at 7:13 am 173. Rhapsodos
one thing is for sure, this going to be a good game.
on 15 Sep 2007 at 7:38 am 174. Tazimus Prime
To answer some of your questions.
I doubt Sora, Riku, and Kairi are desendents of the knights. The first reason is because Terra and Aqua seem to be close in age, but Ven seems to be about Sora’s age. The second reason is because Sora and Kairi are both 14 when the series begins and Riku is 15. Their ages can help us estimate the timeline of between the Keyblade War and Kingdom Hearts 1. Now as stated in Secret Ansem Report 1 Xehanort is young after he appears in Radiant Garden. From videos from Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix we learn that Xehanort appeared in Radiant Garden after the Keyblade War. From one the Ansem Reports we learn that he is the one that sent Kairi to Destiny Island. This is where the hole is. We have no idea age at this point, but we can reasonabley guess that Sora, Riku, and Kairi were already alive by the end of the Keyblade War.
on 16 Sep 2007 at 7:11 am 175. Larxene
ITS NOT THE FUUUUUUUUTTTTTTEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRR! ITS THE PAST!
on 16 Sep 2007 at 7:14 am 176. Larxene
Shizuka! u r confusing! and Dreama! its little a puzzle!!! its the PAAAAAAAST!!!!!!!
on 16 Sep 2007 at 7:15 am 177. Larxene
Doesnt anyone listen 2 me!?
on 16 Sep 2007 at 7:16 am 178. Larxene
Vens not Xehanort!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on 16 Sep 2007 at 9:27 am 179. Cameron Lamb
larxene shut the hell up! idk what ur even talkin about nobody knows if those KH3 trailers are future or past i think its the future tho cuz if xehanort really IS the bald guy then hes older looking cuz of losing his power after his battle with sora and it was xemnas who was using the Room of Sleep to bring xehanort back to life so he could slaughter the other keyblade masters so he would be the only one(also i am speculating that xehanort is in fact a keyblade wielder
on 17 Sep 2007 at 9:22 am 180. Tazimus Prime
Cameron Lion: That would make sense except for the fact that Xemnas was Xehanort’s nobody and he needed Kingdom Hearts to become Xehanort again. Except Sora stopped him from doing that. Also “The Gathering” video is the present, but “Birth by Sleep” is the past. “Birth by Sleep” is mainly a video for the side story game.
on 17 Sep 2007 at 5:53 pm 181. shizuka
i thought of something…if th gathering video is in the present and birth by sleep is in the past, maybe, the 3 soldiers in the first video, arent terra, aqua and ven, at least not ven, because he got frozed, when trying to fight the bald guy in birth by sleep…
i think iim right, to me it makes sense, but, just waiting anyone can be sure of anything, be it a game or not…
i think that if the 4 storys ( rikus, mickeys, roxas and xehanort) were not games, but anime movies, it would be a lot coller, if they put the right people doing it, like masashi kimimoto, for eg.
on 18 Sep 2007 at 1:34 am 182. Tinker
Is Sora really not the true keyblade master? Cause if he isn’t then does that mean he can’t have the keyblade anymore?
on 18 Sep 2007 at 9:59 pm 183. Tazimus Prime
shizuka: Ven survived that whole getting frozen thing. You see his eyes moving at the end.
Tinker: Yes Riku is the true Keyblade master, but because Riku gave his heart to darkness Sora got it instead.
on 19 Sep 2007 at 8:08 am 184. shizuka
i wasnt saying that he dyed after been frozed, but only incapacitated of using the keyblade…
on 22 Sep 2007 at 12:34 am 185. Tazimus Prime
Well I’m happy to say I was some what right about the side adventure games, but I never expected myself to 100% right.
on 22 Sep 2007 at 11:17 am 186. Beanie
Lol gimmie the link to the interview that he states your claims in plx.
on 02 Oct 2007 at 2:06 pm 187. darkdestiny
Hi, I’m back again, ever since hearing the Tokyo Game Show 2007 from the newspaper (happens to be today!).
I’ve heard somewhere in Youtube that says Roxas is actually Ven. Whether that is true, I don’t know. But what I know is, Roxas is Sora’s Nobody.
Also, it’s already said in the front page of this site: the bald man with a goatee is most likely Xemhanort (Terra calls him so.).
Whatever the mysteries, I hope kingdomhearts3.net will be able to unravel it with the latest Nomura interview.
on 02 Oct 2007 at 4:10 pm 188. smvrf
what u want
on 05 Oct 2007 at 7:50 pm 189. Tazimus Prime
Well I’m back and ready to get in the full swing of things.
darkdestiny: Someone linked me to it once and it was just a glorified fan trailer. The one who put it on youtube said so himself. It doesn’t even show Nomura talking or anything like that. It also says that Terra is Axel and Aqua is Saix.
on 09 Oct 2007 at 11:19 am 190. darkdestiny
Saix and Aqua? Haha… I don’t have any idea, but I think those are fake or something. Can kingdomhearts3 post the full interview with Nomura?
on 09 Oct 2007 at 11:20 am 191. darkdestiny
Anyway, Tazimus Prime, maybe you can look for more theories in the next 3 games the company is going to release. Good luck.
on 20 Oct 2007 at 12:10 pm 192. Tazimus Prime
This is my collective thoughts on the three upcoming games:
Birth by Sleep: This game, as we know, happens before Hearts 1 and stars Terra, Aqua, and Ven. Now I believe this game has to do with the Keyblade War, Xehanort’s past, and the Master of the Keyblade. The reason I say these three is because of evidence in past interviews with Nomura and video from Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix +. We know the old bald man is called Master Xehanort and that he is a master of the keyblade. From one of the plots I read it says that he disappeared with his apprentice and Terra, Aqua, and Ven are sent to find him. Now one question comes to mind when we think about this game, “Which is Master Xehanort the whole versions of the heartless Xehanort from Kingdom Hearts 1 and his nobody Xemnas from Kingdom Hearts 2?” I don’t think he is. I came to this conclusion by reading Secret Ansem Report 1. In it we see that Xehanort was a young man when Ansem found him. So unless Master Xehanort regains his youth at some point in the game we can take him off our list. This leaves us with the possibility of three people Terra, Ven, and the Dark Knight. Now I don’t think it is Terra because Nomura has said that the knights have never appeared in the games before, this was said before Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix + was released, and a whole form of Xehanort was present in Kingdom Hearts 2 in a flash back cut scene. Then there is Ven. Now if you read Secret Ansem Report 1 and watch “Birth by Sleep” (the secret ending to Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix), Ven looks to be the prime candidate. As stated in the report Xehanort was near death when Ansem found him and in the video Ven looks to be on the verge of death after being frozen like that. He also seems to b e the right age. The only thing that is holding me back from believing that he is Xehanort is what Nomura said about the knights and that flash back scene. So that just leaves the Dark Knight. We basically know nothing about him, especially what he looks like. We know that in Birth by Sleep Terra will remove his helmet and then we’ll see him. So right now I believe that the Dark Knight is the Xehanort that were in the previous Kingdom Hearts games. Now this game is set up where you can play as the three different knights. The game has three different scenarios to it, much like Resident Evil 2. Each character is supposes to have unique fighting styles and abilities.
358/2 Days: Now this game is pretty straight forward. It’s about Roxas time with the Organization. It let’s look and see what they were doing in the between Kingdom Hearts 1 and Kingdom Hearts 2. The big mystery of this game is the fourteenth member of the Organization. Now from interviews we know that it’s a she and that she is not Namine. Another question is what roll she plays in the game. Is she going to be antagonistic towards Roxas and the rest of the Organization or is her character going to play a more important roll in Kingdom Hearts 3. Well we really don’t know that much about her. I believe that she will probably die in this game. Mainly because she is entirely absent from Kingdom Hearts 2 and I remember reading somewhere that Nomura said all organization members are dead. This game is also the first multi-player Kingdom Hearts game and that you’ll play as all its members. Of course the final battle of the game is probably going to be the Roxas and Riku battle.
Coded: Now this is the only of the three games that takes place after Kingdom Hearts 2. It begins when Jiminy Cricket finds a strange message in his journal that he did not right, “We must return to free them from their torment.” King Mickey then says “Only he is the one who can solve it.” King Mickey then digitizes the journal and the game begins. Now I believe that phrase refers to the Lost Two mainly because I can’t really think of anyone else it could apply to. Also, the events behind what King Micky was doing in Kingdom Hearts 1 will probably be revealed in this game as well.
Now as I have pointed out, most of these games have a connection to the words we saw in “The Gathering” video. As Nomura said each game has something to with Kingdom Hearts 3.
on 26 Nov 2007 at 12:37 pm 193. cham1259
KH has got to be one of the best games I’ve ever played and is the coolest ’story book’ I’ve ever read… nuff said :p
on 01 Mar 2008 at 3:46 am 194. Briana Prince
I Love this game in the whole world!… but where is Sora, Riku, Kairi, Goofy, Donald!!! Omg where are they and why not! Sora dis the best for the keyblade and i believe he’s the true keyblade weilder! but im confused. where is everyone, what is going on, and why is the setting of the game so different?
on 06 Mar 2008 at 9:23 am 195. \\m// Captain Emo Head \\m//
:vampire:
on 02 Aug 2008 at 4:27 am 196. cloud
when does kingdom hearts 3 come out for the PS3
on 15 Nov 2008 at 7:02 pm 197. Lynx
Okay….WHAT?My brain is doing backflips in my head what is going on here?I mean i’ve played the whole series so far(not 358/2 days,birth by sleep and coded)but i still dont understand can someone plz explain??
on 09 Dec 2008 at 12:47 am 198. Chonch95
This is a reply to Tazimus Prime’s reply. I think that you are wrong about the lost two. They are obviously Riku and Kairi. The only two that have gone missing in the games… well not obviously. Remember because they go to destiny islands and maybe they meet the kids and Namine’ is created then so and so is Roxas. Terra would take Riku, Kairi, and Sora into the darkness then Namine’ erases every bodies memories and that’s when Ansem creates the virtual Twilight Town. Doesn’t it all make sense?
on 15 Dec 2008 at 3:03 pm 199. Heart Superior
Chonch95: No it really doesn’t make sense. Besides the Lost Two refers to Master Xehanort and his apprentice everyone knows that now especially Taz.