Tazimus Prime on 10 Jul 2007 12:37 am
The Future of Kingdom Hearts
This section has to deal with past information that might affect the next game.
The night Sora received the keyblade it was stated by Nomura that was not suppose to receive it, but that it was suppose to be Riku’s. This is also backed in the game with Jiminy’s Journal. If you were to look under Riku in it it says that Riku is the True Keyblade master. Now this is not to say that Sora would not have recieved, but merely to say that at that time he wasn’t suppose to receive it. The reason why Sora did receive it, stated by Nomura, is because at the time Riku had already given himself over to the darkness. Now your probably asking yourself “what does this have to do with Kingdom Hearts 3 or the new series?” Let me answer that for you. In Kingdom Hearts 2: Final Mix+ you can battle the tallest knight Terra. Just before the battle he shares some dialog with you.
“Aqua… Ven… Keyblade… who are you? I can feel it… we have met before… it was when… No… it isn’t you… It isn’t you that I have chosen… Why is it not him… Xe… ha… nort… is that you? Xeha… nort… Xehanort!”
Here you learn the name of the other two knights and that Terra chose somebody for something. Now this could possibly mean that Terra chose Riku to originally to receive the Kingdom Key. My guess is that the fact that Riku was suppose to originally receive the keyblade is going to have something to do with Kingdom Hearts 3.
It is also worthy to the Nobody Xigbar. Because from him you learn an interesting fact. Just before the Sora’s boss fight with Xigbar he says to Sora “That out of all the ones before you, you are the weakest.” Now from this dialog we learn that Xigbar has fought other Keyblade Wielders before. This to has been confirmed by Nomura. Now when using the term weakest Xigbar means that Sora is novice when using a Keyblade. We can see this when we fight Terra. But right now this is a kind of moot point. The point of this entire conversation is that we learn that A) there are other keyblade wielders and B) that Xigbar not only fought them but defeated them as well. So the question remains, who were these other keyblade wielders. Now from the secret videos we learn that there are in fact four or five other keyblade wielders. First there are the three Knights Terra, Aqua, and Ven and the Bald Guy and the Dark Knight (the reason I say four is because it is yet unknown if the Dark Knight is a separate entity or just the heartless/nobody form of the Bald Guy). Now Xigbar could be referring to one or more of these wielders. I should also note that in a scene from Kingdom Hearts 2: Final Mix + we see Aqua’s armor and Keyblade.
Now this section has to deal with the new series.
Now Nomura has stated that the Kingdom Hearts game to come out will be part of a new series. In the Another reports he mentions that there are four missing adventures to the Kingdom Hearts series. Mickey’s time in the Dark Realm seeking: Kingdom Key: Dark Side, Riku’s adventures in between Chain of Memories, Roxas adventure with the Organization, and Xehanort’s Past. Now it was hinted at the next game would be about Xehanort’s past. You can come to reasonable conclusion from the Birth by Sleep video that you will probably be playing with Mickey and that this game is set in the past. Also the case of the videos comes into question here. The first video that you get at the end of Kingdom Hearts 2 shows a section of an Ansem report having to deal with the keyblade. Then shows Terra standing on the dragon that Xehanort road on. He then looks around two reveal Aqua and Ven. He jumps off the dragon and the dragon disappears and they walk to Sora’s, Riku’s, and Mickey’s keyblades and they pick them up. Then they look into the distance to reveal that a fourth figure is approaching. Then the words Master of Keyblades, the Lost Two, Memory of Xehanort, Chasers, and Keyblade War. Then it says “It all began with…Birth by Sleep.” Now this shows that the Birth by Sleep video happened before the first video. I believe that the first video is in fact meant to be a preview for the Kingdom Hearts 3 game. Now the second video depicts the Knights fighting a Bald Man and a Dark Knight both who wield keyblades. I believe this is meant to be a preview for the in the new series. The first game will probably revolve around Xehanort’s past (aka Memories of Xehanort) and the origins of the keyblade. You will probably playing as Mickey in this one. This will some how tie into Kingdom Hearts 3, much like Sub - Zero and Mortal Kombat 4.
This section has to deal with the Lost Two.
Now we were given a interesting piece text that gives a little insight in to who the Lost Two are and about who Terra is. This piece of text is
“Master Xehanort’s Avenger, his name is Terra.”
“Not yet awakened, he is connected to those two.”
Now this is interesting because Terra expresses much hatred for Xehanort after you fight him and in the text before battle if you choose to battle him again. You can reasonably assume that Terra and Xehanort use to be allies and that Xehanort was a good guy. Now someone on here referenced Xehanort to also mean thunder in latin if you rearrange the letters in his name with out the X in it. Now I wouldn’t have used the Power Ranger to connect this, but I have come to find that there is truth in what this person said. By rearranging the letters to form the word thonare, the more common spelling of the word in tonare. Nomura has stated that Xehanort’s becomes Another and No Heart when the X is removed. The point id that we can assume that Xehanort was a good guy a one time, but for whatever reason turned his back on the light and became a bad guy. Now the connection to the Lost Two comes from the second piece of text in which it says that Terra is not awakened and that he is connected to two people. Now the only people we have seen him with are Aqua and Ven. Another interesting piece of information is that you can only fight Terra after you have beat the game. At least ever single guide I have read about the has said that. Anyways, now Aqua and Ven are not present in Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix + because, are alluded two just before the fight with Terra, and we see Aqua’s armor and keyblade in the Room of Sleep. So is safe to assume that the Lost Two are Aqua and Ven.
This section has to deal with the Keyblade War.
Now Nomura has stated that Keyblade War was a way for him to tell us that there were fights between Keyblade Wielders. Also in the Ansem report in the beginning of the Gathering video it states that the Keyblade saved the world and that it wrought chaos upon the world. So it is safe to assume that these legends refer to the Keyblade War. This war was probably waged across the different worlds. Which is why the walls separating them were put up. We are led to believe that passage was possible between worlds do to Kiari’s grandmother’s story. Now Nomura has stated that this story is for the most part a child’s bedtime story, but he also mentioned that there is a small fraction of history in it. The Keyblade War would also explain the conflicting legends across the worlds about the keyblade it’s self. Now as for the Master of Keyblades.
Thanks to KingdomHearts3.net reader Tazimus Prime for this submission!
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on 16 Jul 2007 at 9:36 pm 60. sam
Kingdom Hearts (so called) Master, you are a fool. No offense, but Xehanort can’t be Terras nobody, because Xehanort has a nobody (Xemnas) and a nobody can’t have a nobody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you know anything about Kingdom Hearts, it should be that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on 16 Jul 2007 at 9:31 pm 59. sam
Thanks for the compliment dragon 12. Please write us and tell us what you think.
on 16 Jul 2007 at 8:25 pm 58. dragon12
HAHA, MAN, I HAD NO CLUE IT WENT THAT FAR, WELL KINDA, BUT NOT TO THE POINT WHERE SOMETHIN BOUT A CHASER AND WHAT NOT, THATS OSM
on 16 Jul 2007 at 8:20 pm 57. sam
RESPOND AS SOON AS POSSIBLE,
THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on 16 Jul 2007 at 8:16 pm 56. sam
(Sam’s friend)
By the way, Sam and I are not noobs. We have each beaten every game several times on normal and proud mode, read the comics, and are typing to you morons who think you know everything on this stupid website.
on 16 Jul 2007 at 8:14 pm 55. sam
Artimas you r a fool! that is just commen knowledge! dontspeak to the masters!
scusse my temper
on 16 Jul 2007 at 8:07 pm 54. sam
Alright, there’s a few things I would like to straighten out. By the way, this is Sam’s friend talking.
Fact: The keyblade wars happened a long time ago.
Fact: There were four chasers who forged the keyblade: Ven, Aqua, Terra, and Xehanort. In other words, the bald guy in the secret movie is Xehanort back when he was a Chaser. At the end of Kingdom Hearts 2, the King sent a message to Sora. This message read that some part of Xehanorts soul still lives and has regained his memories and powers of being a Chaser. Basically, the only person who has a chance against him is King Mickey. The ultimate dark versus the ultimate light.
Fact: After the three remaining Chasers and the King defeated Xehanort, he lost his memories and powers.
Fact: After the Keyblade Wars, the Chasers knew their time was drawing to a close and passed the keyblade onto the only being who’s power equaled there own; King Mickey.
Fact: Since then, the keyblade has chosen other masters, such as Riku(who missed his chance because he fell to darkness, so the keyblade took it’s second choice: Sora), Sora, and Kairi.
Fact: Sora means air; Ven also means air, Kairi means water, so does Aqua, and Riku means earth, so does Terra. Because of this, I believe the threesom have some connection to the Chasers.
on 16 Jul 2007 at 7:14 pm 53. dragon12
ok im back, ow seems like i missed lalot
on 16 Jul 2007 at 4:28 pm 52. dragon12
wow u all know alllloooot
on 16 Jul 2007 at 4:24 pm 51. dragon12
dang who here had a problem beating sephiroth on proud mode, i wonder if his and clouds lil spat will go any further on the 3rd one
on 15 Jul 2007 at 3:32 am 50. Artimas
well khmasters theory is good.But this is what i think i think that xehanorts heartless was ansem (the fake ansem) and xemnas was his nobody or ansem was his nobody and xemnas was his heartless what do you think?
on 14 Jul 2007 at 8:23 pm 49. Enigmatic Deity
i mean station of awakening
on 14 Jul 2007 at 8:23 pm 48. Enigmatic Deity
I just figured if the room of sleep has some relation to the secret ending, maybe the gathering place (secret ending) is the room of awakening
but honestly, i dont think thats the BIG mystery of KH III, i think the big cheese is who was the voice that spoke to Sora in the room of awakening
on 14 Jul 2007 at 1:30 am 47. Tazimus Prime
Sam: First, Nomura has actualley talked about the keyblade wielders and how many there really are. He said that there are as many as those that have the hearts that quallify for it. Basically there are more then what has been shown. We know Xigbar has met them. Second, Xehanort possed Riku in Kingdom Hearts 1, probably because he was the true Keyblade Master and that he had already given himself over to darkness. In Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories we learn that Xehanort was not expelled from Riku’s after his defeat. Now remember we are only talking about his heartless her. In Kingdom Hearts 2 Riku uses the power of darkness in his heart (aka Xehanort’s power) to capture Roxas. When does this he can’t change back to Riku on his own. When Ansem’s machine explodes Riku has been returned to normal. Now the fate of Xehanort’s heartless is in limbo here. We really don’t know what has happened to it. It was either destroyed, expelled from Riku’s heart, or is now dorment still inside Riku. I personal believe that it has been destroyed or atleast expelled from Riku. “Birth by Sleep” is the title of the secret video from Kingdom Hearts 2: Final Mix+. The Room of Sleep however has something to do with the next game, but not the room itself. See whenever Xemnas entered the room he would always talk to someone, even if no one was in there with him. We learn this in videos from the KH2 FM+ videos. In one of the videos they mention the Room of Awakening and that it must be connected to the Room of Sleep. Now in an interview Nomura said that the Room of Sleep was used like Castle Oblivion, in that it wasw used in the Organizations Experements on their own memories. Also in the video where Xemnas enters the Room of Sleep we can see Aqua’s armor and keyblade in there. As for the bald guy being Xehanort, only one person has come close to convencing me of that and he had very good arguement. I was able to show him were he was wrong, but I didn’t say he couldn’t be Xehanort either. Now here is the interesting thing, “Birth by Sleep” happened in the past, well before the “The Garthering” video anyways. At what point this happened we don’t know. Also the keyblade can be used for good or evil, it all depends on the wielder. So as long as the wielder has teh quallified heart then he can wielda keyblade and do what he wants with it.
Daylight: Okay you have to remember that Nobody is created from the body and soul of a person that has there heart taken. They are non-beings created from darkness. Sora was turned back into human form because of Kairi. So in order for a Nobody to create a Nobody that correspondong Nobody would have to have something to lose. Unfortunatly, a Nobody is an empty shell, something created from the Body and Soul by darkness. Nobodies don’t have anything to lose to create another Nobody. Now Sora was interesting case because the first Nobody created from Sora was Namine. Sora’s body and soul were used as a medium in her creation. Now when Kairi turned Sora back to his human form, Sora’s heartless was used in the creation of Roxas. This shows that Nobodies can be created by other means then someone losing their heart. Now Nobody might be able to created from another Nobody goes through a change like Sora was. Basically a Nobody would have to have recovered his heart. Which would return him to the person he was and a Nobody would be created from the Nobody he once was. This Nobody would probably be nothing more the then a simple Dusk however, becuase only those with strong hearts could become a Human Nobody. Since a heartless is created from the heart however the potental for it to be a Human Nobody is there. So if Xehanort was Terra’s Nobody, and there was a Nobody created from him, then it wouldn ‘t have been Xemnas for a Nobody has no heart.
on 14 Jul 2007 at 1:12 am 46. Tazimus Prime
Sam: First, Nomura has actualley talked about the keyblade wielders and how many there really are. He said that there are as many as those that have the hearts that quallify for it. Basically there are more then what has been shown. We know Xigbar has met them. Second, Xehanort possed Riku in Kingdom Hearts 1, probably because he was the true Keyblade Master and that he had already given himself over to darkness. In Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories we learn that Xehanort was not expelled from Riku’s after his defeat. Now remember we are only talking about his heartless her. In Kingdom Hearts 2 Riku uses the power of darkness in his heart (aka Xehanort’s power) to capture Roxas. When does this he can’t change back to Riku on his own. When Ansem’s machine explodes Riku has been returned to normal. Now the fate of Xehanort’s heartless is in limbo here. We really don’t know what has happened to it. It was either destroyed, expelled from Riku’s heart, or is now dorment still inside Riku. I personal believe that it has been destroyed or atleast expelled from Riku. “Birth by Sleep” is the title of the secret video from Kingdom Hearts 2: Final Mix+. The Room of Sleep however has something to do with the next game, but not the room itself. See whenever Xemnas entered the room he would always talk to someone, even if no one was in there with him. We learn this in videos from the KH2 FM+ videos. In one of the videos they mention the Room of Awakening and that it must be connected to the Room of Sleep. Now in an interview Nomura said that the Room of Sleep was used like Castle Oblivion, in that it wasw used in the Organizations Experements on their own memories. Also in the video where Xemnas enters the Room of Sleep we can see Aqua’s armor and keyblade in there. As for the bald guy being Xehanort, only one person has come close to convencing me of that and he had very good arguement. I was able to show him were he was wrong, but I didn’t say he couldn’t be Xehanort either. Now here is the interesting thing, “Birth by Sleep” happened in the past, well before the “The Garthering” video anyways. At what point this happened we don’t know. Also the keyblade can be used for good or evil, it all depends on the wielder. So as long as the wielder has teh quallified heart then he can wielda keyblade and do what he wants with it.
Daylight: Okay you have to remember that Nobody is created from the body and soul of a person that has there heart taken. They are non-beings created from darkness. N
on 13 Jul 2007 at 9:20 pm 45. sam
hi, im kinda new to this but i hpray u get this message. i have reason to believe that the new project is kh3 but iam not 100% sure. u hav brought up many interesting facts that me and my friend have delved into. i would like u 2 respond a.s.a.p. hear are my thoughts on kh3. i believe that at a certain time a new keyblade wielder is chosen,hence riku. but as you notice in kh2 kiari is wielding a keyblade and of cource so can sora. these points will be in no order so try and work with me hear! also as we see in the first game riku and xehanort have a strong connection between them and i did not mean that in a sik way! i believe that as long as riku lives xehanort lives my belief originated from three main sources kh1 and kh chain of memories. i think that riku will be killed. sorry riku fans, but if one lives the other must. i have never played kh2final mix but i understand its really fun and interesting to the story. soon after i read the part about the Room of sleep, i thought of the words birth by sleep and i think wat ever is in that room will be a major part in kh3. now all i hav said u might already know but i hope this is usefull to u. somthing just came to my attention well like u said the keyblade will be used 4 good and bad well wat if that is wats been going on wat if the keyblade fell in the wrong hands. now i know 4 a fact that the “bald guy” is infact Xehanort. now most people belive that the secret movies took place years ago, but all my conclusions say that is wrong and that the movies were based on the era of evil. why do u think xehanort beat all those chasers. and if u notice in the last part of the movie the clouds open to reveal the Kingdom Hearts itself.
anyway i hope u find this interesting and if anyone has any comments please post them on this page
on 13 Jul 2007 at 2:53 pm 44. Daylight
well honestly no one said it was impossable eather lol we dont know if nobodys can or cant have nobodys.
If someone lets them selvs dive into darkness, does it really matter if they are a normal person or a nobody, i think the efect would be sort of the same. We just assume its not possable for a nobody to bring out another nobody, because thats game theory, but the game theory allso tells us, once a heartless allways a heartless, and Sora came back, it should be impossible but it hpn, you get my drifft
on 13 Jul 2007 at 1:29 pm 43. andrew
khmaster
if xehanort is terra’s nobody then why does xehanort have a nobody by the name of xemnas
from organisation 13. now can u explain that to me coz im confussed coz im prety sure nobody’s cant have nobodies
on 13 Jul 2007 at 7:47 am 42. Sora
yes lol i wanna do it
on 13 Jul 2007 at 4:24 am 41. Metal_Chocobo
You guys are making some very long strides…possibly in the right direction, or possibly going nowhere…I’m not going to say that anyone’s right or wrong but rather that we should work more with what we can see than with what we can imagine…I know, that’s what theories are all about, but we’ve got to work with what we have…otherwise it’s just very creative fan fiction, not saying your theories aren’t thought through…I’m begining to think that Terra and Xehanort might infact, have some kind of connection like what you all are saying…Taz says that when his eyes turn yellow, that signifies a change in him, and although Taz mentioned that his hair is a different lenghth and color, they are the same style…and as we all know, this is anime (more or less) and hair ALWAYS counts…after all, it’s how we could tell that sora and roxas were linked before it was revealed….just saying
on 13 Jul 2007 at 2:26 am 40. Mars
Well, Xehanort possessed Riku in KH1 at Hollow Bastion. Perhaps Terra was possessed by the actual Xehanort, and when he became a heartless, it was actually Terra under the influence of Xehanort possessing Riku. Confusing thing to explain, but just an idea.
In other words, Terra became “Ansem” the heartless when Xehanort possessed him.
on 13 Jul 2007 at 1:35 am 39. Master Xehanorts Avenger(Lingering Spirit AKA Terra)
if Xehanort is Terra’s Nobody then why does Xehanort have a nobody?
This is my theory
No Heart=Heartless right?
Another Heartless?
Maybe the Xehanort we killed waz a fake
on 13 Jul 2007 at 1:24 am 38. Kahou
You guys should check out my counter argument to the comparison of FF/KH on it’s respect editorial page.. Seriously..
I kinda want Taz’s feedback.
on 13 Jul 2007 at 1:21 am 37. KingdomheartsMASTER
that is the major flaw with my theory. i know. but they havent said if he has lost his heart at all or not. so the possibillity is still out there. but i get your point taz.
on 13 Jul 2007 at 1:00 am 36. Tazimus Prime
KingdomheartsMASTER: The thing is that we have nothing to base Terra loosing his heart on. There is no proof that he lost his heart anywhere. So if he hasn’t lost his heart then he can’t have a Nobody or Heartless. So there is nothing to base this on.
on 12 Jul 2007 at 11:57 pm 35. KingdomheartsMASTER
Taz i somewhat agree with what you said, but i honestly believe that Terra is in the same scenario as Sora.
There Nobodies have the ablitiy to do whatever they want. both terra and sora havee strong hearts. which could be the explanation of my theory.
I believe that some of what i have said is truth. it was a revelation i had when going through the info about terra and the secret ansem reports.
i will keep working on this theory. i have taken back my stance about xehanort being the nobody of terra. but i do believe they may be the SAME person.
on 12 Jul 2007 at 10:08 pm 34. Tazimus Prime
TYPO CORRECTION:
Therefore Terra would not be seeking to defeat Xehanort, but avenge him for what Sora did to him.
on 12 Jul 2007 at 10:05 pm 33. Tazimus Prime
Metal Chocobo: I’m looking into the eyes turning yellow right now. I can only recall one interview with Nomura where he was asked about it. If I remember correctly Nomura said it represented a change in him of some kind, but I may be confusing that with another interview and a different question he was asked. Give a couple of days and try and find that interview.
KingdomHeartsMASTER: Ok, I have to say your wrong in this instance, mainly because you are drawing way out there conclusions. First of all Avenger means that you exact revenge for someone. There fore Terra would be seeking to defeat Xehanort, but avenge him for what Sora did to him. Secondly Xehanorts name also becomes Another, when the X is removed. Thirdly Terra looks nothing like Xehanort when he was human. Xehanort had long Silver/Grey/White Hair down to the middle of his back, Terra’s is shoulder length. Now it is obvious thet Terra knew Xehanort and hated him, but I covered this in my theory. The Another part could mean that Xehanort and Terra are brothers. Actually if Xehanort were one of the knights, which he isn’t due to the fact that Nomura said they are completely new and never been seen in the series before, I’d be more inclined to believe him to be Ven. As someone was pointing out something else with the Secret Ansem Reports, the ones that concerned Xehanort.
I shall perform an experiment to probe the depths of a person’s heart. One of my own apprentices, Xehanort, has volunteered to be a subject.
The young man has served me ever since I nursed him back from death’s door some years ago.
He had lost all his memories at the time, but later showed remarkable intellectual curiosity and readily absorbed my teachings, gaining deep wisdom. Any mental immaturity is surely due to his young age.
If I explore Xehanort’s heart with psychological test, I may be able to recall the past locked away within. My apprentice Even has also shown great interest in Xehanort’s memories.
But is he really the right subject? Xehanort does indeed exhibit extraordinary talents…
Too extraordinary…
Perhaps they are even superhuman.
He remarks Xehanort to be a young man that nursed back to heakth from death’s door. Now if I remember correctly Ven was nearly killed in “Birth by Sleep.” So if Xehanort were any of the knights I would have to say he was Ven, but he is not becuase Nomura said he wasn’t.
on 12 Jul 2007 at 7:43 pm 32. KingdomheartsMASTER
The time has come to reveal a shocking revelation to everyone about the next KH game. Are u ready?
Xehanort = Terra.
You may be wondering how this could be possible. Xehanort is Terra’s nobody. Terra and Sora share the connection that they both crated a heartless and a nobody, yet survived when their heart were taken.
The name Xehanort without the X is NO HEART which would fit with my theory. Terra lost his heart at one point yet regained it like Sora did. But he still created a Nobody and a Heartless. Xehnort is his heartless. Xemnas is his nobody.
Terra is the avenger of Xehanort because he is responsible for creating Xehanort. Xehanort is a part of him.
Also more evidence is the words that Terra says to Sora after thier fight.(the egnimatic soldier fight at the end of KH2 Final Mix)
Why is it not him… Xe… ha… nort… is that you? Xeha… nort… Xehanort!”
Also this piece of text given to us by nomura is more evidence.
“Master Xehanort’s Avenger, his name is Terra.”
So my conclusion is that Terra has to defeat Xehanort for terra created him. He chose riku to be a keyblade wielder, but Xehanort got to him and pulled him to the dark. These explanations i believe are good evidence for this theory of mine.
Please comment.
on 12 Jul 2007 at 5:53 pm 31. toni
I heard that there was going to be a new series and a kingdom hearts 3. We’ll just have to wait and see.
This is a good theory, btw