Riku on 14 May 2007 03:13 am
Scenario Mysteries Interview
TheWertle has struck again! This time with an excellent interview with Tetsuya Nomura from Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+ Ultimania called “Scenario Mysteries”, in which he confirms the Enigmatic Soldier’s name as Terra!
In Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+, many mysteries are answered but many new mysteries are also born.
In this version, things relating to additional scenes are included, but during the story there are some questions that pop up, so we’ll see if Nomura can point us in the right direction.
Question: In the original Kingdom Hearts, the King searches for a Keyblade in the Realm of Darkness, but when he meets Ansem the Wise, is the Realm of Light Keyblade he has the one that Sora is currently using?
Nomura: No. The King has the ability to use Keyblades from both the Realms of Darkness and of Light. This is an important point - There isn’t just one Keyblade from each world, but just as many as there are people with qualified hearts.
Question: During the meetings, the members of Organization XIII are sitting in chairs. Is the height of these chairs determined by things like their skills and abilities?
Nomura: No. The height of the chairs is not fixated - They move. That is to say that the height is up to each person. The leader, Xemnas, is always the highest, and to be at the same height as him would give that member a pretty bad feeling, so the other members wouldn’t do that. *Laughs*
Question: At the end of Sora and Riku’s stories in Re: Chain of Memories, Roxas looks back while Hayner and the rest are walking and eating ice-cream, and without seeming to care, Hayner and the others continue walking. Is this because they can’t see Roxas?
Nomura: Well it’s just because they don’t know Roxas that they don’t notice him, not because they can’t see him. At that time, right after Xemnas explains Roxas’ name, Axel says to leave things to him. Then, Roxas seems jealous of how Hayner and the others are enjoying themselves while eating ice-cream, and Axel interprets this as him wanting some ice-cream, so he is obliged to go buy him some.
Question: In the real Twilight Town, didn’t Roxas cross paths with Hayner and the others and make aquaintances with them?
Nomura: I suppose. You can think whatever you want about that.
Question: What triggered Roxas’ separation from the Organization?
Nomura: As he kept having recurring dreams of Sora, someone he didn’t know, he felt he needed to leave the Organization to find out who these people he didn’t know were. As Axel didn’t want him to go, he didn’t tell Sora about Roxas in Castle Oblivion, did he?
Question: In Riku’s ending in Re: Chain of Memories, could you tell us the meaning of the scene where the King and Riku are walking together and Riku suddenly plops down.
Nomura: That’s because Riku realized he couldn’t completely get rid of the Darkness inside of him. The King mentioned in Kingdom Hearts II that as Riku held Xehanort’s Heartless in his heart, he disappeared from the King’s sight. It’s a sort of foreshadowing. In this scene, the King’s face looks worried for a moment because he felt that Riku might eventually no longer be there. Riku headed towards DiZ in order to restore Sora’s memories to normal, but in the end, his departure from the King was so that he wouldn’t show his preparations to use the Darkness.
Question: Could you tell us at what point Riku covered his eyes?
Nomura: When he departed from the King. You don’t know after the scene, but in Riku’s ending in Re: Chain of Memories, when he comes to wherever DiZ is, he’s already covered his eyes.
Question: Please confirm some things about Castle Oblivion. In the additional event “The Truth about the Chamber of Sleep”, you can gather from Xigbar and Zexion’s conversation that Castle Oblivion existed in the Inbetween Realm before the birth of the Organization. The Organization then found it and used it for experiments about memories and to look for the Chamber of Awakening, right?
Nomura: Yes. Since their conversation was about Marluxia’s entry, they discovered the Castle before that. In fact, its use, according to Secret Ansem Report 7, was for only 13 Organization Members. Naminé awoke in Castle Oblivion, but as she and Roxas were born at the same time, half of the Organization moved to the Castle.
Question: In the additional event “To Put an End to Everything”, Sora says “It should have been easy to say thanks to Naminé, but I couldn’t say it”. At this point in time, does Sora remember the things that happened with Naminé?
Nomura: If he remembers, it’s because Naminé’s existence was made possible by Sora, and when Naminé and Roxas return to Kairi and Sora, many things were connected. Since Sora never got to say thanks to Naminé, please think of that as a hint.
Question: In the additional event “Farewell to a Friend”, there’s a scene where Axel tells Roxas “You really do have a heart, don’t you”. What is the actual case here?
Nomura: In this scene, it ends bringing up more mysteries about Roxas, so for the answer, maybe take care to follow your hunches well. It’s also related to Xehanort’s memories, but I can’t give any specifics now.
Question: We’d like to inquire about the new secret movie “Birth By Sleep”. In the new event “The Truth about the Chamber of Sleep”, Xigbar mentions a “group that wields Keyblades”. Is he talking about the 3 armored people in the movie?
Nomura: Yes, Xigbar witnessed them when he was a disciple to Ansem the Wise.
Question: The Lingering Sentiment (Enigmatic Soldier) is the same as the armored youth in the movie, but when he fights Sora he mentions “Aqua” and “Ven”. Are those the names of the other 2?
Nomura: Yes, the blue haired girl is Aqua.
Question: What is the armored youth’s name?
Nomura: His name appeared once in code in the 2006 Tokyo Game Show Promotional Video. Also, Ven is actually a nickname, but his real name is a little bit longer. Sora, Riku, and Kairi’s names can be seen as “Sky, Land, and Sea” respectively. The 3 armored people’s names take the shape of different properties of the world, “Water, Wind, and Earth”.
Statement: Ven looks an awful lot like Roxas…
Nomura: I can’t give any specifics about that. He may just resemble him, and if there is a connection, Sora may be related too. What I can say right now is that these mysteries are all connected to the story.
Question: In the beginning, the armored youth’s eyes are blue, but at the end they change to gold. Is this revealing a change in him?
Nomura: I can’t give specifics about this either… I think everyone’s imaginations are pretty capable so please try and anticipate a lot of things.
Translated by TheWertle. I edited and corrected spelling and grammar.
- In the photo below, it shows a screenshot of the code that flowed across the screen for a moment during the Promotional Video at the Tokyo Game Show 2006. It has been decoded as:
“Master Xehanort’s Avenger, his name is Terra.”
“Not yet awakened, he is connected to those two.”
Terra
Click to enlarge
on 14 May 2007 at 3:37 am 1. Dechiet
OMG! WE KNOW HIS NAME! THANK YOU THANK YO THANK YOU!!
Oh wow, this is a real treasure mine right here! *squeal*
I wonder why he is not yet awakened~ Ooooh! So exciting! XD yays!
Yay for TheWertle and Riku!
on 14 May 2007 at 3:38 am 2. OblivionRiku
YES! ITS ABOUT TIME NOW PEOPLE CAN STOP THEIR THEYORIES ABOUT HIM BEING SORA OR XEHANORT! TY TY TY! I was getting tired of explaining to people why it couldnt be them. Great job guys! These interveiws get us closer and closer to unwravling this mysterie about these 3 knights!
on 14 May 2007 at 3:48 am 3. Shakespeare
XDDD As was I! Finally, the debates come to a close!
However, I wonder…was the code in that picture a code that you had to decode into Japanese and then translate to English? Because it doesn’t look like it works out otherwise. I’m curious about the decoding process on that.
on 14 May 2007 at 4:27 am 4. TheWertle
the part in the caption in quotes is what the message decoded to. I’m pretty sure its a substitution code where each letter represents a syllable. I’ll work it out in a second.
on 14 May 2007 at 4:40 am 5. TheWertle
j-ma
r-su
q-ta
\ -
p-.
@-ze
3-a
k-no
\ -
s-to
0-wo
4-u
z-tsu
m-mo
k-no
t-ka
k-no
u-na
f-ha
w-te
o-ra
e-i
j-ma
q-da
@/-me
x-za
@/-me
1-nu
t-ka
;-re
s-to
c-so
k-no
2-fu
q-ta
l-ri
^-he
z-tsu
u-na
t-ga
@.-ru
Some of those make sense, like ^ for he and e for i but i’m not sure about others…
on 14 May 2007 at 6:37 am 6. Naminé
finally, I know the knights name. I also thought ven was a little weird, but now that he mentioned that its a short version of his real name, then that makes sense.
I knew it, Roxas will be mentioned in KH3 or something like that. It has to do with Xehanorts memories, am I wrong?
I’ve heard that the real Keyblader was supposed to be RIKU, but since he’s given into the darkness, it chose Sora. Soo… that’s why in here, Terra is the main weilder, who is supposed to be like a Riku?
OH and since Kairi now has a keyblade from KH2, does that mean in kh3, she will FINALLY fight?
on 14 May 2007 at 6:47 am 7. Naminé
Wait WTF? “Master Xehanort’s Avenger, his name is Terra.” and “Not yet awakened, he is connected to those two.” MEANING? someone please explain.
He was Xehanorts avenger? and connected to who two? what? lol after reading those two sayings… i got so lost…
on 14 May 2007 at 8:39 am 8. tazmanianchocobo
It probably has something to do with the lost two, which I’m starting to think is Aqua and Ven.
on 14 May 2007 at 8:46 am 9. I Love Sora
ignore me y dont u
on 14 May 2007 at 9:59 am 10. Riku
I’m just going to clarify the difference between “Avenge” and “Revenge”. Here’s Dictionary.com’s point:
“Avenge” and “Revenge” both imply to inflict pain or harm in return for pain or harm inflicted on oneself or those persons or causes to which one feels loyalty. The two words were formerly interchangeable, but have been differentiated until they now convey widely diverse ideas. “Avenge” is now restricted to inflicting punishment as an act of retributive justice or as a vindication of propriety - For example, “to avenge a murder by bringing the criminal to trial”. “Revenge” implies inflicting pain or harm to retaliate for real or fancied wrongs; a reflexive pronoun is often used with this verb - For example, “Iago wished to revenge himself upon Othello”.
Now this would suggest that at SOME point, Terra and Xehanort were friends, and that he would want to “avenge” something that Xehanort has had done to him. However, in Final Mix+ we see him portraying his hatred for Xehanort. Either that or he was battling Sora to avenge Xehanort’s separation to Heartless and Nobody, or to avenge Xehanort’s Heartless’ death. He could also have been out to get Ansem the Wise.
He did seem to be suggesting that he thought Sora was Xehanort though, which would mean that possibly he avenged something that happened to Xehanort in the past, but then wanted to take revenge on him for something.
It would kind of explain about Xehanort (if it was him) saying “It’s been awhile, my friend” to whichever of the armored knights it was on that basement floor.
Joy of joys. Many more new mysteries that won’t be answered for ages.
Edit: Apparently “Ven” would have to be short for “Ventus” which means “Wind” in Latin. This is just speculation and not confirmation.
on 14 May 2007 at 12:45 pm 11. Sora995
You know I think Ven Is Sora. SO I think in kh3 U play as Terra as the main character? Ven Does Have the personality of Sora including Roxas. And Terra has the personality of Riku. And Aqua has the personality Of Kairi. So those 3 are in there. Sora,Kairi,and Riku. we have no idea what the letter said. Is it in the future? I bet it is. XD XD XD XD XD
on 14 May 2007 at 1:17 pm 12. Shakespeare
Yeah, I tried working out the code last night, but I was really tired…lol
on 14 May 2007 at 1:41 pm 13. Ace of Diamonds
Whoa! Soembody on this board(I can’t remember who) said that the Enigmatic Soldier’s Name was Terra. I thought he was nuts, but he was right. Well, we now know the E.S. name. Riku is right. By Avenger, he means to take vengeance, or exact satisfaction for. I’m gonna guess that Xehanort & Terra lived together with Ven & Aqua. But like Kairi’s Grandmother’s story said, Light was precious to all in the city, and Xehanort became driven with Greed over the power of Light. With Greed, comes Darkness. Xehanort was overcome by Darkness. He tempted Terra since the two were so close, and became the Keyblade Weilders of Darkness. But, Aqua & Ven’s hearts had a light too powerful to be pierced by Darkness. Xehanort & Terra extracted the Hearts of those who lived into their Kingdom Hearts. Terra realized his wrongdoings, and left Xehanort, following The Way to Dawn back Aqua & Ven. Kinda explains the connection with Riku. So, I guess Either Xehanort was the Old Man, or The Dark Soldier, or maybe he sent them to do away with Terra, Aqua, & Ven. “Master Xehanort’s Avenger, his name is Terra.” “Master”, I guess Xehanort was a ruler, and Terra was his apprentice, or something. So, I just wanna know, how is that Terra looks EXACTLY like Xehanort. There’s gotta be a connection. “Not yet awakened, he is connected to those two.” By those Two, he’s gotta mean Aqua & Ven, and I guess since we saw Terra, he’s already “Awakened.”
on 14 May 2007 at 1:41 pm 14. Shakespeare
Sora995– Ven can’t be Sora. Ven is a new character. Sora is an established character if there ever was one. And we really don’t know anything about any of their personalities…except MAYBE Terra, but we only know what he’s like right before a fight, really.
(Interesting to note (and sudden epiphany) for the people who mentioned that Chaser means ‘one who engraves metal/makes weapons’: Terra says (in this site’s translation): ‘Will you allow me to engrave that into your heart?’)
TheWertle– The slash also makes sense for the extended vowel sound notation…that was the first thing I thought when I compared the translation to the code.
Riku– I would interpret ‘Master Xehanort’s Avenger’ as someone in service to Xehanort, seeking revenge for a wrong comitted against Xehanort. In a moment of drama, you wouldn’t say ‘I am my father’s avenger’ to your enemy if you meant that you wanted to avenge something that your father had done. When I first read it, I perceived it as someone talking to someone else about Terra, like he was giving a report. It felt like ‘Master Xehanort’s Avenger’ was being addressed by the writer, rather than identified as the subject of the sentence.
Granted, when I first looked at it, I was really tired, and I’m not fluent enough in Japanese to know if the original text carries a connotation that infers that ‘ka no na wa TERA’ is ‘Maasuta Zeanooto wo utsumono’, but it just seems like if it was, then it would refer to him more directly (’your name’, rather than ‘his name’). I’d ask my sensei, but she’s on maternity leave, and the guy who babysits our class right now doesn’t have as much experience as she does… ^^;
on 14 May 2007 at 1:43 pm 15. Shakespeare
Yeah, I sneak on here during my first block class between working on projects. XDD
on 14 May 2007 at 5:27 pm 16. Ven
Omg I was rite
on 14 May 2007 at 7:03 pm 17. Roxasfangirl
yea we have his name !! o^0^o
on 14 May 2007 at 7:28 pm 18. britt
in that last picture he really looks like Sora.
on 14 May 2007 at 8:39 pm 19. Riku
Bear in mind that the last picture was only an idea of how Terra would look from Nomura in mid-2006. The final actual look of Terra was seen in the Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+ Secret Ending “Birth By Sleep”, which is where the images from the top are from.
How he looked in 2006 bears no relation anymore. I consider it a blessing as I’ve been saying for the past 5 months that it’s not Sora and that Nomura confirmed it not to be. This is further confirmation still, and hopefully people will actually pay attention now.
on 14 May 2007 at 9:34 pm 20. dodo_woa
whao this is awsome, i can’t wait till the next game, but i really hope that they add max to the storyline, by the way max is goofys’ son, beacause i mean somebody had to keep things at order at disney castle while goofy was gone right? i mean he could be second in command, i know i don’t know as much as you guys do but i still hope they add max to the storyline.
by the way i wanna know ven full name, ventos, vientos
thosea re just somes guesses, beacuse vientos means winds so you never know, please somebody leave a response to my comment thank you
on 14 May 2007 at 10:02 pm 21. Ace of Diamonds
But, Shakespeare, why would Terra seek revenge for a wrong made against Xehanort? We saw in the cutscene with Sora, that Terra expressed a great deal of Hatred for Xehanort. I can’t see how can defend somenone you hate. Terra said that he didn’t choose Xehanort. Terra’s Keyblade was passed onto Sora. Riku gave in to the Darkness, and I guess the Keybalde was essentially suposed to be given to Xehanort. Maybe Terra would hope to fight him one last time. Like I mentioned in my theory. When Xehanort gave into Greed, his heart was overcome by Darkness, and it chnaged him. Kinda like how Peter’s Attitude changed in the Spider-Man movie. He had a new look, and acted differently. Xehanort must’ve pushed awsy his friends, and focused on taking the hearts of the people in the city, and make the Kingdom Hearts we saw in the Secret Ending.
on 14 May 2007 at 10:28 pm 22. vinan123
Terra kinda sounds like a girl’s name to me. Same thing with Sora’s name.
on 14 May 2007 at 10:32 pm 23. OblivionRiku
Ace. You are very right. i was waiting for someone to post this. But yeah. In the cutscene b4 you fight Terra. and even afterwards. What he says shows that he has GREAT hatred towards him. That doesnt mean once they were friends. They could have always been enimies. Ven, Terra and Aqua may be like best friends like, Sora, Riku, And Kairi. Now i belive this whole cutscene was in the past. If i remember correctly. In the KH2 Final Mix+ Trailer *the video that was released in japan showing both CoM RE: and KH2 FM+. At the very end it shows one of the organization members *i beilive was Xemnas* Sitting down in this chair in the room of sleep and awakening. The whole room lit up and it showed a body on the floor. * i beilive…well im almost postive after looking at it carefully a billion times. that the body laying on the floor was one of the Knights.* Now im not sure if this cutscene was b4 you fight Terra or afterward. But im sure the one that was awaken was Terra. but why..if im correct. Would Xemnas bring him back? if we are almost sure that this Bald Man has a connection to Xehanort then. Why? Hmm.
on 14 May 2007 at 10:39 pm 24. OblivionRiku
Also. Adding on to my last message. When Xemnas *or whoever it was that sat down in the chair* when he sat down and the room lit up. He said something like. If i can remember correctly. “It’s been a while. My friend”
Maybe The organization created these knights? or maybe they were real people b4. And they had Namine erase their memories with her power. So maybe the could use them? But then.. why would Terra hate Xehanort so? Maybe they had namine put his memories back that way?
Who knows why they would make him hate Xehanort but maybe thats part of their plan.
on 14 May 2007 at 10:41 pm 25. OblivionRiku
That would explain the whole
“Birth by sleep”
“Not yet awakened, he is connected to those tw”o
on 14 May 2007 at 10:44 pm 26. OblivionRiku
i just hope this game turns out alright. Now that Sora’s Saga is over. i wonder how the games gonna turn out. cuz if this is supposed to be a whole new series. will they even keep the Final Fantasy Characters and the Disney characters? maybe they will only keep like..Donald, Goofy and king mickey. and maybe they will get rid of all the disney worlds. see look at it this way..
Kingdom Hearts Chars:(They were made for the game)
Final Fantasy Chars:(Were added in by Square Enix)
Disney Chars:(Pretty much the whole point of kingdom hearts. Also you play in only disney worlds)
but see. sora, kairi, riku, ansem, xehanort, the organization, roxas, namine ECT. Are KH characters. Not disney or FF. So will the new game be more focused on the KH chars?
on 14 May 2007 at 10:58 pm 27. vinan123
Sora’s story can’t be over. Maleficent and Pete are still out there.
on 14 May 2007 at 11:09 pm 28. Terra
I see… it all makes sense now, besides the code. I mean, only TheWertle could find something like that.
on 14 May 2007 at 11:18 pm 29. Ven
Riku… Rember told you on msn his name is going be Terra like no wouldent be girls name should be Terrn I was rite in ur face XD
I hope we play as Him ty so mutch for interveiw =]
Im Kai this my new name Ven xD
on 14 May 2007 at 11:27 pm 30. Mohrphorm
Ventus, Aqua, and Terra. I had believed the rumors about their names, and they ended up being true. Cool =P
Sora’s story cannot be over. Nomura has made it clear the KH is Sora’s story, and no one else’s.
Take a moment and compare “ASAS: Deep Dive” to “Birth By Sleep.” Just because Sora isn’t shown, doesn’t mean that he won’t be in the 3rd game. And also consider that just because the secret video takes place in the past, doesn’t neccessarily mean that the game will as well. If the video was really anything like “Deep Dive,” then it is merely pressing upon us an event that will be critical in the next installment, be it a prequel or sequel.
on 14 May 2007 at 11:38 pm 31. Xolus
Sora’s story isn’t over, the next game isn’t KH3 it’s a sidestory, and there will still be a Kh3 but it won’t be the next game.
on 15 May 2007 at 12:57 am 32. vinan123
But Xolus, Nomura said that he would be making a completely new series.
on 15 May 2007 at 1:42 am 33. confuzedblad3R
k so whats it all about, why is terra avenging xehanort isnt he the bad guy, and who are the other keybladers, what happened to sora, kairi, and riku what side story are they going to be in?
on 15 May 2007 at 1:47 am 34. Mohrphorm
I personally think that Nomura is gonna pull a BHK on us. After “Deep Dive,” swarms of people thought that the game would involve bouncing back and forth between Sora and the “Blond Haired Kid.” But then again, #31 Xolus may be correct. But I have my doubts - Nomura stated that the game wouldn’t abridge KH2 and 3 like CoM did. I just think that he figured that “Kingdom Hearts 3″ is a little bland for a title =P
on 15 May 2007 at 2:09 am 35. Shakespeare
Ace, I’m not saying that Terra is seeking vengeance on behalf of Xehanort; I’m saying that Terra is the target of the avenger. (Not to use a Harry Potter example or anything, but like Wormtail saying to Voldemort ‘Master, his name is Harry Potter’. His master’s name isn’t Harry Potter, but he’s addressing his master.)
OblivionRiku, it was Aqua’s armor on the floor in the Room of Sleep. And since Terra is an optional fight, it doesn’t necessarily have a place in the game’s continuity, just like the Sephiroth fight.
on 15 May 2007 at 2:18 am 36. Jeff
terra and xehanort kind of look similar possibly brothers but im not sure i think the knights names are in latin i looked it up on ES and it said terra but i wasnt sure cause it sounded like a girls name i heard somewhere that the bald guys name is erol.i saw their full names on a link posted on a site that i cant find or get into for that matter it was like a long time ago(possibly 5-7 months ago)and it said pretty much everything that was going to be in kh3.
on 15 May 2007 at 2:22 am 37. Ven
Ace of Diamonds I love ur idia because rember Riku did same thing left friends for darkness\power and Xehanort Riku have connection there both darkness and Xehanort can mean Another he has 2 lol see xehanort and riku have bond =]
on 15 May 2007 at 2:34 am 38. Zen
Ven? Are you part of Xonofirm?
on 15 May 2007 at 2:35 am 39. Zen
Are you still on, Ven?
on 15 May 2007 at 2:43 am 40. Lover
I love You TheWertle
on 15 May 2007 at 2:44 am 41. Zen
Who’s the Wertle?
on 15 May 2007 at 2:45 am 42. OblivionRiku
wtf my comment wont show up
on 15 May 2007 at 2:46 am 43. OblivionRiku
Jeff, no website would have the acuall names of the people. The only ones we know FOR SURE are Terra, Aqua and Ven. If another website has a name for the bald guy, or the knight who fights besides the bald guy, they are obviously just guessing. The only one who knows the names is Tetsuya nomura. And he has only CONFIRMED Aqua’s name. But obviously using common sense we know the roxas look-alike is ven, and decoding this pick we got the E.S name..Terra. And Terra does make sense. Because Terra means earth. and also if anyone watched teen titans *lol* the blonde haired girl was named Terra. And she could move the earth.*who knows what that has to do with KH lol*
And shakespear.how would we know if the knight in the room of sleep is AQua? it doesnt even give us a good body shot to know if its even a knight. i dont see why it would be aqua. Imm sure we wont see anything about ven and aqua untill the next KH.
on 15 May 2007 at 2:47 am 44. OblivionRiku
((Continuing from my last comment))
And see. Even though its an optional fight doesnt mean it doesnt belong in the community. I mean cmon. Yeah Sephiroth has nothing to do with the storyline but then again. When has any Final Fantasy char had anything to do with the MAJOR storyline? IT doesnt matter if Terras an obtional fight. The only reason why its optional is Tetsuya Nomura wanted to show us Terras power. He didnt want to put Terra in the game MAKING you HAVE to fight him to continue on, cuz that would be a big road block in the game.
on 15 May 2007 at 2:52 am 45. OblivionRiku
And wow i have got to say. You guys are amazing! lol. working for this website would be so cool…
But i work for unlimitedgamer.net lol.
Kevin promised me he would make a KH3 section on the website. Since mainly thats what i always write about.
So anyway if u want a place to talk about this game, check in every once and a while and we might have a forum set up by them. or at least..somthing
*click on my name to go to unlimitedgamer.net*
on 15 May 2007 at 4:29 am 46. Jeff
OblivionRiku,okay first of all it was not really a site it was off a link on a site that had info about it was kind of something that a hacker posted but im not sure it may have been just something that just leaked out in the corner it said square enix and a bunch of numbers i mean i read about the erol guy on a different website anyways and i never said i was FOR SURE ON whether erol was his real name i just heard that somewhere and you do have some good points i mean i know the only ones we know for sure are aqua,ven and terra and yeah how would we know if the knight in room of sleep is aqua besides that i knew the roxas look alike is VEN duh and yes terra means earth but it does sound like a girls name supposedly like teen titans but thats NOT SUCH a big deal and ace has some good points too and shakespeare has a few.Things like that
on 15 May 2007 at 4:51 am 47. Shakespeare
OblivionRiku: Check out the KH2FM+ video before Xigbar and Zexion are talking about the two rooms. After Xemnas speaks, the camera shows his POV, and we clearly see the armor for about five seconds. When you compare to still shots of the three knights from the first KH trailer, it is clearly Aqua’s (empty) armor. It is blue, and the knee joint of the armor matches hers (Ven’s armor’s joints are spikier, so it can’t be his) and has the same silver designs as hers do. (The men’s armor has chunkier objects wrapping around the outside of their leg armor, whereas Aqua has a more geometric ‘thunderbolt’ sort of design without large chunks of silver.)
I’ll find you the video so you can see for yourself…(Over on KH-Vids.net, check out the KH2:FM+ Cutscene titled ‘An Old Friend’. It will be in the last 30 seconds of the video, after you’ve sat through watching Xemnas walk around for about three and a half minutes.)
Also, in Kingdom Hearts: Final Mix, there is an optional fight with Xemnas that you can access in Hollow Bastion. Since it was added later, it obviously doesn’t have a major impact on THAT game’s continuity. It hints at the NEXT game, but it doesn’t have any impact on the story of KH1. But what I meant was in reference to your question about where the video falls; you can’t unlock the Terra fight until after this video…don’t you have to beat the game to unlock him, anyway?
on 15 May 2007 at 4:55 am 48. Shakespeare
If you would like to see the still that I used for reference for my previous post, click my name. Aqua’s armor is shown very clearly due to the angle of the light.
on 15 May 2007 at 6:57 am 49. OblivionRiku
Alright alright ig to urguys point. lol guess ya kinda proved me wrong but that just helps me for my future theories.
ty Jeff and Shakespear. and ill check out that vid
on 15 May 2007 at 7:07 am 50. OblivionRiku
Wow i stand corrected. Thank you shakespear. it would have helped if i had saw that whole video rather then just that clip on the trailer. Tyvm. But that makes me wonder.. When he was walking it had voiceovers of Ansem and Xehanort. Xehnort wanted to continue with an “expirement” yet ansem told him “no” i remember reading something about this in the Secret ansem reports..i cant remember exactly what it was..maybe Ansem knew something about these knights. had some connection. but where did they come from? are they memories of people created into something? or are they acuall people…Aquas armor was empty…So could that battle on the secret ending have happened in the past? if so then whos the bald person? could that have been Xehanort? Hmmm..i must watch some of these videos. and refer back to the Secret ansem reports to see if i ave missed something
Dead Shakespear i thank you oh so much. This helps me alot! ^_^
on 15 May 2007 at 7:28 am 51. OblivionRiku
HOLY CRAP! i just watched the cutscene with Xigbar and Zekxion and HOLY CRAP EVERYTHINGS COMMING TOGETHER!!!. First of all. Xemnas is hiding something. A secret like they said. Xigbar said he heard him talking to someone down there..in the room of sleep..That must have been aqua! See the video did happen in the past because Xigbar said and i quote.
“Xigbar:How many years ago was it? People with the Blade of Keys started to appear…and fought great battles. When they were gone a man who has lost his memories had appeared. Xemnas..no. Xehanort was taken in by ansem at the time, was he not?”
That makes Sense! I read in the secret ansem report, that Ansem has taken in a man who had forgoteen all of his memories..that was Xehanort. Xeigbar said Many years ago the people with the blade of keys *Terra, Ven, Aqua* started to appear. They fought great battles *like the one in the final mix ending* when they were gone a man who lost his memories had appeared. *Xehanort* That was probably the bald man! Yes this all makes sense!!!
In the secret ansem reports it talked about Ansem having not only 1 aprrentince but a few..those of which who i think are. Xehanort. Zexion. Xigbar. there was a few more aprrentinces but these ones i know for sure are at least 3 of them.
Xigbar also talks about the “Room of sleep” *which holds Aqua* “The Room of Awakening” *which holds either ven or terra* And, “The room of sleep and awakening” *which holds terra or ven* We know there is a knight in each room because of the fact that Xigbar said AND i quote.
“With the Room of sleep..Comes the room of awakening. The other place. That is what he is seeking. That room which was not made by Xemnas. Perhaps that is where…The other…”Friend” is”
*End of Video*
Remember Xehanort adressed to Aqua as his “Friend”? Xigbar is obviously talking about another knight in the other room. 3 rooms. 3 knights. Makes sense..right?
The knights in each room are just empty bodies. and Xemnas is usually in those rooms. Like Vexen said. If Xehanort is the bald guy…Then why would he be friends with these knights. in the video they were fighting right?
on 15 May 2007 at 7:33 am 52. OblivionRiku
Dead Shakespear i thank you oh so much. This helps me alot! ^_^
Meant to say “Dear” lol.
on 15 May 2007 at 7:35 am 53. Axel50
interesting…
anyway the 6 apprentinces were the 6 members of organization 13-Xemnas(Xehanort), Xigbar, Xaldin, Vexen, Laxeus(or somethin) and Zexion.
Just thought id mention that.
on 15 May 2007 at 7:39 am 54. OblivionRiku
Ah that makes sense now. I knew we had Xehanort. Zexion. And Xigbar. i was pretty sure about Vexen. and Now that u mention it. Xaldin and LExeaus makes sense. They were also mentioned in that vid.
ty
on 15 May 2007 at 7:45 am 55. OblivionRiku
Does my theory make sence at all lol? Do you find any fault with it? Feedback would be great. always trying to fix my errors. im writing everything that comes to mind about KH3 in a Document. This way i can look over everything and peice it together. Ha u can say im obsessed ^_^.
i put in the document All my theories. ALL things that make sense. Quotes from vids. And Secrect Ansem reports. And from other people. I plan on unwravling this game b4 it comes out lol. well not really. i just have to know.. XD Tell me if theres sumthing wrong with it./
on 15 May 2007 at 8:16 am 56. OblivionRiku
Hmm something i just realized…
Even, Ienzo, Braig, Dilan, and Elaeus
5 out of 6 of Ansems Aprentinces…
The last one is Xehanort.
now we can tell which Organization members these are.
Just take out the X in each name and mix around the words. *i already knew about this. its just like Sora and Roxas.*
But the point is!
Even: Vexen.
Ienzo: Zexion
Dilan: Xaldin
Braig: Xigbar
Elaeus: Lexeaus
Xehanort: “No Heart?”
What is Xehanorts REAL name? This really makes me think..Who was Xehanort? All the organization members took their names…mixed them around. and added an X somewhere…Except Xehanort.. He took Ansems name and added an X… X.E.M.N.A.S= Ansem.
You would have thought he would have mixed around Xehanort.. but see..Xehanort is kinda like the whole..mix ur name around and add an X. but that was his real name right?
WHO IS XEHANORT!!!! AHHHHHHHHHH.
lol
OO THATS FUN IMA MAKE AN ORGANIZATION NAME!!
Raxistnt haha CAN U GUESS MY REAL NAME?!?! *lol*
on 15 May 2007 at 8:31 am 57. OblivionRiku
Question: We’d like to inquire about the new secret movie “Birth By Sleep”. In the new event “The Truth about the Chamber of Sleep”, Xigbar mentions a “group that wields Keyblades”. Is he talking about the 3 armored people in the movie?
Nomura: Yes, Xigbar witnessed them when he was a disciple to Ansem the Wise.
So.. Even, Ienzo, Braig, Dilan, and Elaeus, Xehanort and Ansem..their “Expirement” has to do with the knights…correct? In the secret ansem report Ansem talks about them using Xehanorts memories and an expirement..im my theyory i said Xehanort is the bald man. who fought the keyblade weilders and then was found by Ansem. Who took him in. At the time he had forgoten most of his memories. Yet he agreed to be an expirement for ansem. They played with his memories. And obvioulsy found out about these knights..They might have done something..and tried to bring the knights back..for what reason? i dont know. in the secret reports it said.
If I explore Xehanort’s heart with psychological tests, I may be able to recall the past locked away within. My apprentice Even has also shown great interest in Xehanort’s memories. But is he really the right subject? Xehanort does indeed exhibit extraordinary talents… Too extraordinary… Perhaps they are even superhuman.
in the secret ending it said “Memory of Xehanort” across the screen…He has to do with the bringing back of the knights…Eventually Ansem forced them all to cease from their operation. but they continued… AH i cant think straight its 1:30..im going to bed trying to get my mind of this topic xD *NOT FINISHED WITH THIS POST*
on 15 May 2007 at 3:33 pm 58. Josh
This is some what confusing now:
“Master Xehanort’s Avenger, his name is Terra.”
and when you fight him he say’s:
“Let me engrave my hatred for Xehanort into your heart”
I’m confused now, so does he like xehanort or not?
on 15 May 2007 at 7:22 pm 59. Mohrphorm
Hmmm… this is all very interesting. But I have a theory of my own:
Ven(tus), Aqua, and Terra were friends, akin to Sora, Kairi, and Riku (though they have mixed-up keyblades, so it makes me wonder…). Personally, I think BOG (Bald Old Guy, don’t like calling him “Elder Mage”) is Xehanort. Now apparently, there was no love lost between the three friends and BOG, so they battled. All four of them were Chasers (I think this is a term referring to anyone who inherits a Keyblade from another, Terra>Sora etc.). There used to be more, but BOG got greedy… he started to kill them off. Terra was attacked by one of BOG’s giant creature things, but he managed to kill it. He joins back up with Ven and Aqua, and retrieves their second Keyblades (they don’t use them in the fight, so I amk confused, any ideas?). And so, They fought. And fought. And fought some more (the entire plot of the next game? =P). But, BOG overwhelmed them and managed to kill Ven and Aqua(not shown in the video, purely speculation). And so, a pissed off Terra does the unthinkable - he surrenders his heart to darkness (hence the “nothing but hate for Xehanort” thing). He is the Avenger of Xehanort, meaning that BOG (theoretically) is the target of his veangeance. With his power he kill Xehanort, and then fades away into the darkness, filled with guilt and hatred, his heart as barren as their battleground (poetic, isn’t it?)….
Skip ahead an unknown number of years ahead. Ven and Aqua are reborn as Sora and Kairi, and Xehanort appears mysteriously in Radiant Garden, with his youth restored and his memories all gone (memories remain in the heart, remember?). And hence, “Birth by Sleep” as in death. Blah, blah, blah… Xehanort’s memories gradually return to him, and his craze for power begins again. THE END
on 15 May 2007 at 7:29 pm 60. Saturna
I’m pretty neutral about this, but I know ‘Terra’ as a character in FF6 and Terra was a she. Just thought you’d like to notice that.
on 15 May 2007 at 7:39 pm 61. Mohrphorm
Hmmm… I hope the Final Mix version comes out of Japan. Maybe they’ll fix some of the translation errors (Its supposed to be Aeleus, not Eleus, and Dalin instead of Dilin). Along with the edited rifles-to-crossbows in Port Royale, and how Xigbar fuses his guns together to make a sniper rifle in the Japanese version.
on 15 May 2007 at 8:21 pm 62. eric
hi can riku add me in msn? as well anyone that know alot of thing bout KH? my msn is eric_francislopes@hotmail.com
on 15 May 2007 at 10:32 pm 63. Ace of Diamonds
Mohrphorm makes a good point. The Old Man has to be Xehanort. After all, he does dawn Ansem’s Clothes. It’s all gotta tie in somewhere. Terra, the Keyblade wielder if Earth, Aqua, The Keyblade Weilder of Water, and Ven, the Keyblade Weilder of Wind. Maybe when Xehanort’s heart changed him because of the Darkness within, and wen on that killing spree, he took the hearts of many people. Look at the Kingdom Hearts at the end of the Secret Movie. He had to have collected alot of Hearts to make the Kingdom Hearts that big. In the Teaser, at the end of Kingdom Hearts 2, Terra was waiting for Aqua & Ven. they all came from separate crossroads. If they all lived together, they wouldn’t have arrived separately. Terra follows the path of Dawn(I’m not sure now because he pickes up the Kingdom Key which represents Light.), Ven follows Twilight(also not sure of this because Ven picks up the Way to Dawn Keyblade.), and Aqua picks King Mickey’s Keyblade and represents Light. The survivors of Xehanort’s attack, them being Terra, Aqua, & Ven, joined together to stop Xehanort once and for all. This might sound stupid, but at the end of Kingdom Hearts, the figure walking toward the knights looked to have long hair, but in this new secret ending, he was totally bald, and isn’t funny that they each had two Keyblades, and they vanished in the new ending. Maybe, the Secret Ending at the end of Kingdom Hearts took place in the future, but this one took place in the past. If the thing Terra is standing looked like the Nobody Dragon, how could it exist if Xemnas wasn’t created yet? And I still would like to know what Riku’s Keyblade was there if he himself created the Keyblade. Just some thoughts, I know it sounds stupid. One last thing, who do guys think that Dark Soldier that came out of the Old Man is?
on 15 May 2007 at 10:48 pm 64. eric
i agree with aces of diamonds
on 15 May 2007 at 11:25 pm 65. jeff
well you guys have some great theories but the only thing i cant figure out is how could the bald guy be xehanort when xehanorts his real name wouldnt it be like he looks the same as in the other games as xehanort besides his nobody and possibly other nobody or heartless or whatever cause if it took place in the past how could xehanort be older unless it took place in the future unless that room with aquas armor was shown in the present i think the bald guy is possibly a nobody formed by the darkness in which he had made a heartless but if a nobodys the same thing as a heartless how could a nobody heartless not have a heart if they make a heartless take axel for example and roxas they cared for their supposedly friends and things like that and they are said nobodies and anyways doesnt anyone possibly see a resemblence between terra and xehanort possibly brothers and again im wondering if terra or xehanort which one could maybe be his uncle and any ways that bald guy may have went back in time to get into kingdom hearts and get the nobodies heartless???and others etc. and things like that for another war or something for some reason and nomura hinted that ven has a relation with roxas somehow maybe meaning ven is related to sora and soras nobody is roxas anyways im gettin confused if this sounds confusing i am and its possibly false but possibly could work.I think the bald guy has somethin to do with when mickey and riku were in the realm of darkness.
on 16 May 2007 at 12:02 am 66. Mohrphorm
Ace presents some good points as well. I think that shadow was something similar to the guardian that followed “Ansem” (Xehanort’s Heartless). Keybladers have to have powerful hearts. It would explain why they’re all gone, and how he was able to summon Kingdom Hearts. Remember Xemnas’ armored form? I think that and the dragon were derived from Xehanort’s original abilities, as well as the “guardian.”
on 16 May 2007 at 12:31 am 67. vinan123
Ace, there’s really no telling you what the Dark Soldier might be. It can’t be a Heartless or a Nobody, because if that was the case, then the old guy would have disappeared. Maybe he can make the Darkness in his heart become human or something…
on 16 May 2007 at 1:10 am 68. Shakespeare
For some reason, my posts aren’t showing up.
on 16 May 2007 at 1:48 am 69. Shakespeare
((Well, WordPress says my comment went through, but I still don’t see it…so if this is a double post, gomen.))
Exactly. I think there’s only two rooms, though (Sleep and Awakening), and I still think that Xemnas’s greeting is sarcastic. It sounds to me as if he’s scoffing at Aqua. (Just like the one in Advent Children; Sephiroth gives an equally sarcastic, and almost identical greeting to Cloud.)
And yes, the 6 apprentices were Xehanort, Braig, Dilan, Even, Elaeus and Ienzo. Their names all appear in Secret Ansem Report #3, but several of the names are misspelled. (The fact that you can rearrange the letters and see that they were mistranslated is rather obvious. Xigbar does not have an L in it.)
To post 56 (lol, you post more than I do!): Xehanort also rearranges to ‘Another X’, as in ‘another unknown variable’. Since he had lost all his memories, presumably including his name, his name would be ‘another X’. Also, Xehanort had abandoned that name and was working in secret under the name ‘Ansem’ with the other apprentices. After all, he wrote most of the Ansem Reports from the first game.
Now, for a real name…if we assume that there were 4 Chasers, we have Wind, Water and Earth names already. Perhaps Xehanort’s real name is associated with fire? Ignus? Mulciber? Ignifer? (The last one would be interesting, for the -ifer connection to evil in the West, but the first seems most likely.)
I might also add…we see in Mickey’s flashback and in the portrait in Ansem’s study that Xehanort is a good-looking young man with a full head of hair, not at all like the Bald Man. I think it’s more likely that Xehanort was the man in the Heartless Armor…but it is possible that, if the crossroads are in a world separated from time, that the Old Man could be a Xehanort from the future, seeking more power by affecting his actions in the past (but his meddling very well could have eliminated his own existence, resulting in the one Xehanort we all know and love).
on 16 May 2007 at 1:49 am 70. Josh
Maybe the Bald man has the ability to spilt his body into a heartless and nobody at will.
on 16 May 2007 at 1:53 am 71. jose
i told ya that his name was either terra or dust and i was right. i was the first one to say his name so dont ya try to take my idea because i was like the second one to write on the “number
responses place”when his name was still unknown,
oh yeahhhhhhhhhhhh
on 16 May 2007 at 2:32 am 72. Riku
Jose, people have been thinking his name was Terra ever since the cutscene with the Enigmatic Soldier (Secret Boss) battle was shown. If you don’t believe me you can go to the videos section and see the comments on that battle.
I admit I myself thought the name would be something other than Terra because Terra is a girl’s name, but it’s the name anyway.
on 16 May 2007 at 4:37 am 73. gamegirl244
Oy, guys, me and a friend just made a breakthrough in the names thingy…kinda. With Sora, Riku, and Kairi, they’re names are Japanese for ‘Sky, Land, and Sea’, which we all know. Well, me and a friend were thinking how the names are connected, and I thought ‘Hey, Aqua means ‘Water’ in Italian’…and then, it clicked. Terra’s also Italian, meaning ‘Earth’. So we looked up ‘Wind’ and, turns out, there’s a word for it: Vento. I know it may not be much, but it clears up what Nomura said when he mentioned that Ven’s name was longer…it’s a possibility Ven’s full name is Vento
on 16 May 2007 at 5:17 am 74. Shakespeare
Yeah, since Italian is derived from Latin, the words Aqua, Terra and Ventus (or as you say in modern Italian, ‘Vento’) would logically appear. The words are probably similar in other languages derived from Latin, such as Spanish and French. However, I don’t speak either of those languages, so I can’t verify that. (I only speak English, Japanese and German.)
on 16 May 2007 at 6:28 am 75. kuyo
I don’t know if this has been mentioned, but the names are directly connected to each other:
Sora (Sky) ~ Ven (Wind)
Riku (Land) ~ Terra (Earth)
Kairi (Sea) ~ Aqua (Water)
And that corresponds with the similarities in the character design…hmmm.
on 16 May 2007 at 7:38 am 76. Hearts of Darkness
I still think that the black/red armored dude has a lot more to this story. Also, how does a really old guy loose fifty or sixty years of age and grow a whole mess of hair. Really guy, even a video game has to have some reality to it.
Maybe the red/black guy is xahanort and is a servent of baldy (that yes lives in side of him). But thats kind of makes sence. Like when xahanort controlled riku, they fused and then spilt for a little. Just like these two. the reason Terra hates xahanort so much might be because he destroyed his home like how Riku destroyed the island. Maybe we see Dark Side again in the next game.
I’m just putting out another idea.
on 16 May 2007 at 10:01 am 77. Riku
kuyo, not only did gamegirl244 mention it two messages before yours, but it was in This News Post awhile ago - Nomura even pointed it out himself in this interview!
Riku didn’t intentionally destroy the island. He gave in to the Darkness, which is different, and the same could theoretically apply to Xehanort.
on 16 May 2007 at 1:24 pm 78. Shakespeare
I think that idea is very likely. Plus, it makes for a more compelling story if the hero and the villain were once best friends. That was what made the whole Riku dynamic interesting in the first place.
on 16 May 2007 at 2:16 pm 79. Josh
In reply to Riku
what are you talking about, almost every person on this site said his name was going to Aero
on 16 May 2007 at 5:18 pm 80. vinan123
I wonder if the Chasers were the ones who made the Keyblades? They never explained how they were made, or where they go when its wielder makes it disappear. Or how a Keyblade chooses its master. Maybe Keyblades have hearts themselves…
on 16 May 2007 at 6:25 pm 81. gamegirl244
In reply to vinan123’s post, I HAVE heard something interesting (most likely everyone else heard it too…): if you look up ‘Chaser’ in the dictionary, you also get the following response:
One who decorates metal by engraving or embossing.
So yes, theologically, it would be reasonable that ‘Chasers’ are the people who made the Keyblades.
ALSO, my friend made another breakthrough; connecting with what Shakespeare said about how Xehanort can spell out to be ‘Another X’and that since Aqua, Ven, and Terra are representing Wind, Water, and Earth, the most logical element missing is Fire. My friend, being the analytical one of us, figured that the ‘X’ is a missing factor, and perhaps the missing ‘factor’ is the Fire Element that Xehanort (probably under some name that means Fire, but abandoned it since he went down the path of darkness, or forgot it when he lost his memories) previously controlled.
Also, We made another discovery; people say that Terra comes down from the Road of Light? I don’t think so. When his eyes glow yellow at the end, perhaps he’s tapping into some inner, possibly dark power. Perhaps it was Terra who went with Xehanort down the path of Darkness, but returned through Dawn? This would make sense, explaining why, during the fight in FM+, he turns hostle when he mentions Xehanort’s name, and why he held back Ven in the video, only to rush in himself. Ne?
on 16 May 2007 at 7:26 pm 82. Mohrphorm
Ven, Aqua, and Terra correspond to Sora, Kairi, and Riku. It would make no sense if there was a fire one - the former three were intentionally made to correspond to the latter. Xehanort IS his real name. “No heart” and “Another.” Somebody pointed out that a Latin word for thunder can also derive from the anagram. My guess is that the concept of anagram names for Nobodies came from Xehanort’s name (in game).
on 16 May 2007 at 9:19 pm 83. jeff
im just saying that the bald guy obviously cant be xehanort cause xehanort means no heart and the ones with strong hearts are supposed to weild the keyblade.
on 16 May 2007 at 10:18 pm 84. Ace of Diamonds
What about Riku? His heart gave in to Darkness easily, but Sora’s heart had the inner light within therefore couldn’t succomb to the Darkness as easy. Riku was still able to weild The Keyblade. It doesn’t matter if there’s Light, or Darkness in a person’s heart, they can still weild the Keyblade. Xehanort can weild the Keyblade because he knows how to control the power of Darkness within him. BTW, for those who say that the dark Soldier has a Heartless Emblem on his chest, I think that’s just a feature of the outfit he’s wearing, whoever he is. I wanna know who that Dark Soldier is. I already think Xehanort is the Old Man, after all he did weild a Keyblade, and if Xehanort is the Dark Soldier, why didn’t he have a bigger role in the Secret Ending. I mean, he should’ve been the one to go after Terra. Notice how Terra showed no remorse to charging at The Old Man in the Secret Ending. He held Ven back, and prtty much didn’t care what happened to himself, as long as he took down The Old Man. He already expressed a hatred for Xehanort. Unless, Xehanort does arrange to “No Heart” and “Another”. Maybe Xehanort was conducting an experiment, and something went terribly wrong, and split Xehanort into 2 beings. Just stick with me. You can make fun of my theory later, but for now hear me out. The Evil Xehanort was “Another” form of him, yet had No Heart, and could conduct merciless acts without any feeling of regret, no emotion at all. The Good Xehanort, Master Xehanort fell into a deep sleep, and was believed to be dead. Terra was enraged,a nd joined forces with Aqua & Ven to represent the Kingdoms of Water, Wind, & Earth to defeat the Darkness. “Not yet awakened, he is connected to those two.” “Master Xehanort’s Avenger, his name is Terra”. Yeah, it sounds dumb, but It’s all I got right now.
on 16 May 2007 at 11:18 pm 85. Shakespeare
GameGirl244, I agree, and if Xehanort IS tied to fire, then his true name (if Xehanort isn’t his true name) is probably ‘Ignus’, since that’s the most direct translation into Latin for the word ‘Fire’. (A few other possibilities that I found when looking through the dictionary I use were ‘Mulciber’, the surname to Vulcan, and Ignifer, ‘bearer of fire’.)
Of course, the fact that Terra calls Xehanort by the name ‘Xehanort’ certainly implies that it is his true name…but what about the possibility that ‘Aqua’, ‘Ven’ and ‘Terra’ are titles/code names? If that is the case, then ‘Ignus’ could be his name as well as ‘Xehanort’ (but don’t count on this; it was a sudden, not planned out thought. Stream of conscious sort of thing…).
Mohrphorm, I’m trying to find what the Latin word for thunder is, and everything I’ve turned up has been related to the word ‘tono’ or ‘tonitrus’. None of the words that came up for my search had the letter ‘H’ in them. Either my search isn’t broad enough, or there just isn’t an applicable Latin word.
I think the arrangement to ‘Another’ (whether ‘another X’ or not) is the most likely; Sora, Riku and Kairi make up a group. Sora, Donald and Goofy are a group. Aqua, Ven and Terra make up a group, but there is ‘another’ to them…Xehanort. Kingdom Hearts (and really, most Square games) are obsessed with the three member party. (I can only think of one FF game off the top of my head (that I’ve played) that allows for more than 3 people in your party, and that’s FFIX. That’s probably just because it allows for two players, though.)
on 16 May 2007 at 11:55 pm 86. Mohrphorm
They can’t be codenames, for primarily one reason. Nomura said “Ven” is short for his real name, which we could assume is Ventus, being Latin for wind. Typically, shortening someone’s name like that is common among friends. I don’t think they would do that to a codename.
I honestly don’t think Xehanort has an element to his name. I’m not saying its impossible, but thinking of a name like “Xehanort” as an anagram for “no heart,” “another,” AND a possible word in Latin is pretty damn genius. I still think its his real name.
Like I said before, I think that the Dark Knight was just a manifestation of his power, just like the thing Xehanort’s Heartless had. I am sure that the powers of one’s various incarnations revolve around the original’s aspects. I think the dragon thing was summoned by Xehanort later resurfaced as Xemnas’ dragon form, as well as his armored core form. Same thing with “Ansem’s” guardian.
As for the keyblade - anybody can wield one, just as long as they have a heart. Dark, light, twilight - they can all manifest.
on 16 May 2007 at 11:55 pm 87. way to dawn
I knew those two guys’ names were Aqua and Ven, for all of those who say my comments at the battle with Terra(Enigmatic Soldier).
on 17 May 2007 at 12:12 am 88. vinan123
I guess Nomura got the name ‘Ventus’ from vent, which blows air.
on 17 May 2007 at 1:29 am 89. Ven
Guys were forgetting one more element Fire? Maybe Xehanort true name is is somthing to do with fire or maybe doffrent E.S sorri cant get a lot info school
on 17 May 2007 at 1:37 am 90. khfan
hi ven
on 17 May 2007 at 1:54 am 91. vinan123
I think that everybody is over doing it with the whole ‘being named after the elements’ thing. For all we know, Xehanort’s real name could be John Doe.
on 17 May 2007 at 2:03 am 92. Shakespeare
((Gah, if this shows up twice for you all, sorry…but it hasn’t shown up at all for me.))
I don’t think that ‘Xehanort’ is an anagram for anything in Latin…unless we actually find a relevant word, I’m going to say that it’s not. (Any suggestions on words?)
And like I said, it was an idea that randomly came to me. I was trying to find a way that Xehanort could not only be tied to an element, but still have Xehanort be his real name, and that was the best I could come up with. (Since Xehanort /must/ be his real name, since Terra uses it when you meet him…)
I think the fact that ‘Another’ rearranges to ‘No Heart’ is a really cool coincidence, since in the video ‘An Old Friend’ (KH-Vids.net), Xemnas types in ‘Another’ as the password on the computer in Hollow Bastion. I think that if ‘No Heart’ was intended, and if Xehanort had lost his heart before Ansem the Wise found him, Ansem would have noticed that his apprentice was lacking a heart, especially considering all the research they did on him.
(Besides, there’s plenty of other stuff that ‘ehanort’ can rearrange into. ‘Not Hear’, ‘No Earth’ (? Hm…), ‘Nor Heat’…uh…’Earthon’…I’m bad at word jumbles and stuff.)
on 17 May 2007 at 2:22 am 93. Cloud
i think xahanort is an anagram for no heart or another with an x, similar to the organization 13. Also, i think that the old guy is xahanort and that the xahanort from KH 1 + CoM is a younger version of him. Remember not much is known about his past, a possible theory is that xahanort was once good and was taken over by darkness or heartless, hence terra being master xahanorts avenger, hes avenging his takeover from the darkness/heartless which transformed him, so in essence, the evil xahanort wouldnt be the true xahanort. he may have fought terra earlier before the events of KH 1 and lost his memory and decreased in age or somthing until he was a boy (i think), and showed up at Radiant Gardens possibly in a similar fashion to how ora showed up at traverse town. This is just a simple theory and is not a main theory of mine, remebr that there is no real story yet so well just have to wait and see… more theories to come!!!
on 17 May 2007 at 2:22 am 94. bernaporto
i’m still not convinced that Xehanort would be Xehanort’s real name but it does make sense and i see no reason why not.
on 17 May 2007 at 2:25 am 95. bernaporto
it really got me confused that Terra both hated Xehanort and was his avenger but though that seems to explain it it seems a bit far fetched
on 17 May 2007 at 2:32 am 96. Shakespeare
I still don’t think that the phrasing implies that Terra is the avenger…I think he is the target of the vengeance (what with him turning evil and betraying his allies and such).
But hey, I could be wrong.
on 17 May 2007 at 2:35 am 97. bernaporto
so you think that terra is the target of the vegeance because he turns evil when is eyes become golden??
on 17 May 2007 at 6:29 am 98. OblivionRiku
Lol im the first to bring up the whole Xehanort = No Heart. and now everyones making it seemlike its a breakthru that they just discovered lol. And it also meaning “Another” really makes me wonder. Was that really wat he typed in the computer? i couldnt make out the letters.
im acually starting to rethink something in one my my theyories. I think Xehanort is the Red/Black knight (chaser) i mean think about it. b4 i said. i thought iut was the old man who ended up getting defeated by the chasers and forgot his memories so ansem took him in and got his memories back. now im starting to think that really it was the other person..Think about this. Xehanort means No Heart like i stated before. the red and black armor resembles sorta of a dark heartless armor..(NO HEART) Heartless! lol and also his name meaning another could explain when the bald guys splits into two..summoning ANOTHER person next to him. The red/black chaser who i now beilive is Xehanort…hell for all we know..They both could be Xehanort!!!
on 17 May 2007 at 6:30 am 99. Shakespeare
No, I think he’s the target of vengeance because he’s an enemy of Xehanort. (When I said ‘him’, I meant Xehanort…should have made that clearer, but they both want revenge…it’s just that Terra probably has a real reason to want revenge, that being Xehanort turning against his former allies.)
on 17 May 2007 at 6:31 am 100. OblivionRiku
Check post #56, talks more about my Anagram theory.
Read some of my theories. they might make sence, all of them are on page 2.
on 17 May 2007 at 6:34 am 101. Shakespeare
OblivionRiku, people have known the ‘No Heart’ thing ever since we knew Xehanort’s name. And he does type ‘Another’…it’s in blocky letters, but if you pause it and look, you can make it out.
And I have been saying for a while that the man in the ‘Heartless Armor’ is Xehanort…but the old man could quite possibly be Xehanort from the future, corrupting his past self in some sort of strange cycle and/or a bid for power in the future that he knows (by changing the past, he would alter his presence, just like Maleficent and Pete did in the Hall of the Cornerstone by getting into Timeless River). As I’ve been saying, the realm where the battle in the KH2:FM+ video takes place might be completely separate from time, so such a thing could be possible.
on 17 May 2007 at 6:40 am 102. Shakespeare
Oblivion, I finally got around to answering your posts in Post 69…I hope I don’t need to reiterate. (It’s on page 3, btw.) But yeah, the names and the anagrams have been known for a while, it’s been on the internet for, like, 2 years now…and the game gives you the tools to figure it out for yourself by showing you what the apprentices names were in one of the Secret Ansem Reports, and by showing you that Roxas is Sora’s Nobody.
Nomura likes to make us figure things out on our own…lol
on 17 May 2007 at 12:02 pm 103. vinan123
So if Ansem only started out with six apprentices, where did the rest of Organization 13 (besides Roxas) come from?
on 17 May 2007 at 12:31 pm 104. Ace of Diamonds
Organization XIII is made up of Nobodies. The leader being Xehanort’s Nobody, Xemnas. We all know that Xigbar, Xaldin, Vexen, Zexion, & Lexeaus, aren’t their real names. It’s Braig, Dilan, Ienzo, Even, & Eleaus. I believe Xigbar & Lexeaus were suppoed to be scouting new members, and when they did, they conducted the same experiments on themselves to turn themselves into Nobodies. Oblivion Riku, I don’t mean to sound like a jackass, but like I said in my previous post, I think the design on the Dark Soldier’s chest is just part of the costume. It does resemble a Heartless symbol, but I don’t think it connects that much to the story. I’m starting to believe that Xehanort is a character not yet to be seen. We obviously saw him for a brief moment in Kingdom Hearts 2, but who knew what he looked like in the past. The Keyblade War may have happened in the past, but not that far back into the past. I already stated this, but I wanna ensure it. Isn’t it strange how that in the 2 separate Secret Endings, the shadowy figure looked to have long hair, but now is just bald? What happened to the Keyblade the Armored Knights picked up? The Kingdom Key, The Way to Dawn, and Mickey’s Keyblade. Notice how, each of the Armored Soldiers used the Keyblade they marched into battle with. Because, I don’t think they would’ve been beaten the way they were if they fought with 2 Keyblades. The figure in both Secret Endings has to be Xehanort. The last time we saw the Old Man, he was rising up into the Blue Kingdom Hearts. Later, in the future, Ansem the Wise found him as a youthful man. Maybe Kingdom Hearts has more power to it.
on 17 May 2007 at 1:03 pm 105. Riku
“Another with No Heart” has been around since Nomura himself said it in mid-2006 in an interview:
on 17 May 2007 at 1:32 pm 106. Shakespeare
Yeah, the other members came after the six apprentices formed the group. The neophytes don’t get much love from the older members, though…there’s a lot of resentment in the top 6 towards the younger members, like Marluxia.
on 17 May 2007 at 2:58 pm 107. Tami
man, Terra sounds so strange to me cause in my language (portuguese) it means earth… and ven’s a nick? Maybe to ventilus and it could be something like wind in latin ^^’
on 17 May 2007 at 3:09 pm 108. Ven
Yeh riku I think rite to like U know Bald guy part were summons another guy from Him Look another aka Xehanort and look No Heart rite maybe can make people with No Hearts like made nobodys nah thats stupid But Im sure Bald Guy is Xehanort and He summons another or maybe Xehanort not real name who ever knows =] rember I think That Xehanort made Org 13 then desract Sora from finding him what he’s up to guyys still dont know really stuff about Ansem to… sorri not good at spelling =P
on 17 May 2007 at 5:57 pm 109. Riku
Tami, my advice would be to actually read the interview you’re posting on:
The 3 armored people’s names take the shape of different properties of the world, “Water, Wind, and Earth”.
on 17 May 2007 at 9:36 pm 110. heartlessxxx[cole]
they look like the bad guys in power rangers…
on 17 May 2007 at 9:37 pm 111. heartlessxxx[cole]
….is anyone there………………………..
on 17 May 2007 at 9:40 pm 112. heartlessxxx[cole]
i enlarged the pitrue and i think,just maybe ..
on 17 May 2007 at 9:42 pm 113. heartlessxxx[cole]
u know how roxis is a half of sora ..ven might be a part of sora
on 17 May 2007 at 9:51 pm 114. heartlessxxx[cole]
u~know how that guy can split his body into
think about re’q ……….his body looked
like…bald headed guys split
on 17 May 2007 at 10:27 pm 115. jose
man ireally wish they could make an artwork of ven aqua and terra.
on 17 May 2007 at 10:27 pm 116. Hearts of Darkness
Hey guy! ready for me to make a Naruto (the anime) refrence? Sasuka wanted to kill his older bother because his brother killed Sasuke’s whole family (and everyone around him for that matter). After that, he called himself Itachi’s, or his older bothers, avenger. this totally supports my idea that Xahanort and the three knights were all friends at one point. But then Xahanort could have destroyed the island when he was overcome by darkness and now Terra just wants to kill him.
Is this any good? P.S., sorry for the Naruto refrence.
on 17 May 2007 at 10:29 pm 117. Dinnomicx
come to rumors please and don’t ask why…
on 17 May 2007 at 11:19 pm 118. Shakespeare
I don’t read Naruto (I stopped buying Shonen Jump around the Chunin exams), but that phrasing still strikes me as odd, since (to me, anyway) it implies that Sasuke is seeking vengeance on his [Itachi's] behalf, and thus ‘avenging’ him. I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just saying it doesn’t sound right to me according to my interpretation of the word ‘avenger’.
on 18 May 2007 at 1:00 am 119. Hi
theory:i think that terra can have a relation with the bald guy but im not sure with riku i thought i saw a resemblence between xehanort and terra you see the bald guys eyes turn yellow and terras also i hear and so i think that if the bald guy is xehanort and without the x means no heart and if terras someway related to riku in someway possibly having something to do with rikus nobody like ven having relation with roxas so maybe terra is somehow xehanort like he somehow got to become one of ansems apprentices in a time when he got a little older and his hair turned white or grey or whatever it is and eventually in the future he found a way to go back in time for some reason and xehanort is terras nobody like his darkside cause you see riku gave in to the darkness like his darkside having no heart and though if the bald guy is xehanort meaning no heart than how does he make a heartless and if you need a heart to weild a keyblade how does he unless he still does maybe and makes a heartless but his heartless may be able to hold a keyblade because its terras nobody and he could hold a keyblade and it was different because its a keyblade of the dark maybe having something to do with when mickey and riku were in the dark realm and terra is the side of light when it comes to xehanort or something so he held a different keyblade and you see that he holds rikus way to the dawn keyblade also besides the one we saw him holding in final mix and things like that
on 18 May 2007 at 1:26 am 120. vinan123
Hearts of Darkness, I think you got confused. Sasuke is trying to avenge his clan not Itachi. On a similar subject, have you noticed that Sasuke is a lot like Riku? Both of them have been blinded by something that caused they wanted, causing them to become evil. Also, both of them got their asses kicked by their best friends. The only difference is that Sasuke is STILL evil. By the way, if Terra is a good guy and hates Xehanort then why did he fight Sora?
on 18 May 2007 at 2:15 am 121. Shakespeare
About Terra fighting Sora…either he was blinded by his rage against Xehanort, or it was a test of sorts. I mean, Sephiroth has no reason to fight Sora…he’s just minding his own business on a cliff, waiting for Cloud to blunder by.
But yeah, not everyone that you fight in KH is hostile to Sora. Hercules certainly isn’t, for instance.
on 18 May 2007 at 3:01 am 122. Ace of Diamonds
But, when he fought Sora, he mentioned that he didn’t choose him to weild The Keyblade. Who did he choose? Then, he repeatedly said Xehanort. He must’ve wanted Xehanort to weild The Keyblade to take his heart the same way he took the hearts of the people of his world long ago. I still am not convinced that The Dark Soldier was Xehanort. I’m sure his appearance is important to the story, but he was just there.
on 18 May 2007 at 3:39 am 123. Shakespeare
I think that Xehanort /was/ the one he chose, but he went down the path of Darkness, and that’s probably one of the reasons that Terra has such a vendetta against Xehanort.
It’s very much like Anakin Skywalker…he was the Chosen One, but he turned to the dark side. (If you don’t like the Star Wars comparison, Riku is exactly the same. He was chosen to wield the Keyblade, but he accepted Darkness.)
on 18 May 2007 at 8:55 pm 124. Tami
I READ, Riku. I just said that it seems odd that it is in my language and I’m used to seeing Japanese names or english not a name that actually means an “object” in my own mother language!
on 18 May 2007 at 9:10 pm 125. vinan123
Shakespeare, I know that people like Hercules and Leon aren’t evil but it’s a different case for them they were fighting in a tournament. As for Sephiroth, he actually did have a reason for fighting Sora. He didn’t exactly say it out loud, but he wanted to kill Sora to get the Keyblade.
I wonder if Xehanort is Sora’s father? That would explain why Terra wanted to fight Sora, and why he kept saying Xehanort’s name over and over again. Maybe they both look alike in some sort of way.
on 18 May 2007 at 10:00 pm 126. Shakespeare
Leon attacked Sora at the beginning of KH before they knew each other…his reason pertained to the Keyblade as well. Pretty much everything in KH happens because of the Keyblade, not because people don’t like Sora or something. (He’s a pretty likable kid, anyway, so that’s not the problem.)
And I don’t know that Xehanort would be old enough to have kids…realistically, anyway, and considering that this game is a joint project with DISNEY. Ansem the Wise made mention that if Xehanort acted immature in any way, it was because he was so young. He was probably a teenager when Ansem the Wise found him (as Terra appears to be the oldest of the Chasers), and that doesn’t seem old enough to have kids. (I know that it’s possible, but we’re talking about a Disney game. They would NOT let that fly.)
on 18 May 2007 at 10:05 pm 127. Shakespeare
Tami, what are the words for ‘wind’ and ‘water’ in Portuguese? Portuguese is Latin based, so it makes sense that it would show up. (I believe ‘Terra’ is French for ‘earth’, as well. A lot of southern European languages have Latin roots.)
Names in German wouldn’t be so mysterious…hm, I wonder what element ‘Wasser’ and ‘Erde’ are tied to…? (And let’s not forget my favorite…’Wind’.)
on 18 May 2007 at 10:55 pm 128. Mohrphorm
Latin is the root of all Romance languages - I don’t beleive any of its descendant languages would be used.
As for the dark knight being Xehanort, that isn’t a Heartless symbol on its chest. But think of this: There are two types of Heartless - Pureblood and Emblem. IF Xehanort is the Dark Knight, and he just lost his memories, maybe his memories gradually returned to him, and he saw himself, and was inspired to create the emblem’s design. The “Another” and “No Heart” concept go well with him - I never thought of it before it was mentioned by someone else. However, if the Dark Knight is Xehanort, then who is the old guy? Terra absolutely hates Xehanort for something he did. Seeing that the Dark Knight was just summoned, I still firmly believe that the old guy reincarnates as Xehanort, despite what I afforementioned.
on 18 May 2007 at 11:21 pm 129. Hearts of Darkness
To vinan123/post #120: yes I have. amine usually have the same type of characters in all of them. Like a hothead, or an Emo kid or the avenger. But I wasn’t confused. I know Sasuke is trying to avenge his clan, but he does call him itachi’s avenger. that’s why I think Terra might have the same background as Sasuke, like how Sasuke’s older bother destroyed Sasuke’s clan. Maybe Terra must avenge that of which Xahanort destroyed too, becoming Xahanort’s ‘avenger’. I’m just sayin’.
Again vinan123/post #125: WHAAAAAAAAT????? No way can Xahanort be Sora’s father! If that was ture than that means that Sora killed his father twice! Yeah really father/son love right there.
on 18 May 2007 at 11:32 pm 130. Mohrphorm
To #129: No, it just means that he killed two insane incarnations of his father, who if he is Xehanort, would probably be alot crazier than the fakes.
on 19 May 2007 at 2:09 am 131. Shakespeare
Well, Luke Skywalker tried to kill his father without knowing it was his father…but Sora lived with his parents on Destiny Islands. I doubt that Xehanort is his father.
And I have suggested that it’s possible that both the old man and the knight in ‘Heartless Armor’ (I only call it that because there’s nothing else to call it, really…there isn’t a Heartless Emblem on it, but it certainly has the color theme) are Xehanort. Ansem was a magic user, so it stands to reason that Xehanort had some pretty powerful magic behind him (perhaps that’s what Ansem the Wise meant when he said that Xehanort had extraordinary, superhuman power?), so a future Xehanort with even more power could find a way into the realm where the crossroads are. I mean, Sora and company went into the past, too, why can’t Xehanort?
on 19 May 2007 at 3:24 am 132. Mohrphorm
Hmmm… this is all very possible. As of KH2, no incarnation of Xehanort exists any longer, unless ANOTHER bad guy is revealed. The only mechanic left is the soul, but I won’t get into that… too much speculation.
Like I have said before - the knight is akin to “Ansem’s” guardian. The two of them are one and the same, it just makes him all the more dangerous. Mickey isn’t cartoony like he is in Steamboat Willie, so that may imply that this isn’t as far back as we think it is. Now that I think about it, Nomura mentioned that one of the stories that remain is what Mickey did in the realm of darkness. Is it possible that these events took place? In FM+, the portal to the Terra fight is in the keystone room. Maybe this implies that we need to shift our focus over to Mickey…
on 19 May 2007 at 6:06 am 133. Shakespeare
I already posted a lengthy reply regarding the soul in Nomura games any why it’s not a third ‘form’ (along with Heartless and Nobodies)…
And there are no incarnations left, but since the two that existed were destroyed in the proper order, Xehanort has returned to life, most likely somewhere in Radiant Garden.
on 19 May 2007 at 2:42 pm 134. Mohrphorm
I see how that can work, but the only surviving parts of him left is the heart and soul. Unlike those two (I’m assuming with the soul), the body is destroyed completely. It doesn’t return to anywhere. Rather, a new body is formed. This how I beleive old Xehanort (assumed) became young Xehanort - the classical cycle of rebirth. I assume the same happened for Aqua and Ven.
I have no doubt that the soul will have an important role in the next game. Maybe not as a new set of enemies, but something else. Judging by the fact that Nobodies are supposedly destined to fade into darkness, despite not having a heart, perhaps it is the soul that govern’s life’s balance between light and darkness.
on 19 May 2007 at 3:38 pm 135. Shakespeare
But the body DOES return somewhere. If you defeat a Nobody after you’ve defeated it’s corresponding Heartless, then the heart and the body recombine. Nomura says so in Another Report (Pages 29 and 30).
“In the case of a Nobody being defeated, it’s a little more complicated. If the above mentioned hearts are liberated, they return to their original form.”
(Note how he always uses the word ‘defeated’, not ‘destroyed’.)
When you beat a Nobody, they disappear into Darkness. But the same happens when you defeat a Heartless, and you certainly aren’t destroying that heart…it just goes somewhere else, waiting to reunite with its missing body.
Anyway, old Xehanort and young Xehanort…I think they’re two separate entities, but still the same person, very much like Timeless River Pete and Main Storyline Pete existing together in the game (and even meeting and fighting one another).
on 19 May 2007 at 3:52 pm 136. Mohrphorm
Hmmm… I see what you mean now. I wouldn’t be surprised if Nomura used the time travel concept again. Nomura did make a cryptic statement when asked about whether the ending movie took place in the past or future… Maybe, Xehanort was changing the past in the video.
on 19 May 2007 at 4:25 pm 137. bernaporto
Shakespear- In portuguese wind is Vento and Water is Agua. almost the same as Latin erth is Terra exactly the same.
Also i would like to say that though i don’t believe that any of the know characters are Soras father weve never seen his parents, he’s never talked about them. All we did as hear his moms voice the day he disapeared on the islands.
on 19 May 2007 at 4:37 pm 138. Ace of Diamonds
Now, the story says that before Radiant Garden was turned into Maleficent’s Hollow Bastion, Ansem the Wise found Xehanort, near death with absolutely no recollection of his past life. Under the guidance of Ansem the Wise, Xehanort began to learn at an alarming rate, even Ansem said he possessed SuperHuman abilities. Xehanort began to grow more interested, particularly of the heart, and how powerful it is. He offered to be a test subject to try and gain his memories back. But Ansem could see that Xehanort grew into Darkness. Xehanort, along with Zexion, Lexaeus, Xigbar, Vexen, and Dilan left Ansem the Wise, and like Xehanort, abandoned their bodies to Darkness. Now, I’m not sure what caused Ansem to leave Radiant Garden, and have Maleficent turn it into what she did, but I guess Xehanort, well Xemnas & The Organization were after him seemingly because Ansem might know a bit about Xehanort. Here’s where it gets confusing. Ansem found Xehanort long before Sora’s adventure began. This leads me to believe that Xehanort had to grow up to become as youthful as he looks in the photos. Terra relates to Riku, Ven relates to Sora & Roxas, and Aqua relates to Kairi. So, either something happened to turn Xehanort younger, Xehanort was none of the characters in the ending, but was hurt during the war, or maybe(don’t bash me), Ven could be Xehanort. I mean, Ven was frozen after all. He lost ALL his memories including his name. Xehanort could’ve been the only name he remembered. If all this happened before Sora’s adventure, Xehanot had to be at a young age when he was found.
on 19 May 2007 at 4:43 pm 139. Ace of Diamonds
I had to repost this because I got the “your comment is awaiting moderation” and thought nobody saw it.
From where I left off, remember when The Old Man froze Ven. You saw a portion of Darkness within that sequence. Since The Old Man knew he wouldn’t be alive forever, he must’ve taken his heart, or soul for that matter, and left Ven with nothing, but his body. The Old Man must’ve used the heart he stole and invade Ansem the Wise much like Ansem invaded Riku’s body. I know it might sound like a stupid theory, but I did think alot about this.
on 19 May 2007 at 5:31 pm 140. Ven
Hey guys ever think that E.S bad guys? like really maybe there savers of darkness rember Kingdom Hearts 2 Riku says if this place what really is lets be darkness then sora replys Yh Light side is done now… Im just saying maybe guys talking about Bad people, and isnt werid thats were not asking ? about Bald guy and is another and notice Bald guy has key chain? Like we still foucesing on Xehanort we dont even know thts real name possbly is because Naurma said so? we should be foucesing where they at there backgrounds and Bald guy and Kingdom Hearts Org 13 because we really donno Know what Kingdom Hearts is we know it gives invisble power we donno who made it? (maybe bald guy) seruisly we donno mutch about Riku like what has he be doing thease kh games when playing as sora
we donno who this glowing eye person is click on my name to see well thats all I got Im just saying lets drop with E.S and Sora ok
on 19 May 2007 at 6:58 pm 141. SoraQueenKH#1 fan
sorry this is out of no where but does Ven like die???? hhaaa. sry. that was sad to watch. anywayy I dont understand either how Terra could be Sora’s father. by the way Aqua looks like Kairi so i think they could be related also. shes pretty.
on 19 May 2007 at 7:30 pm 142. jeff
hey go to http://www.kingdom hearts 3.us/ it shows an example of a resemblence between xehanort and terra saying they are possibly brothers or something and has some pretty good points to prove that they maybe are and a ton of other stuff.
on 19 May 2007 at 7:33 pm 143. jeff
sorry about that go: http://www.kingdomhearts3.us/
on 19 May 2007 at 7:54 pm 144. Mohrphorm
Basing everything of of appearance isn’t very accurate, especially since IM, they look only vaguely alike. Ven/Sora and Aqua/Kairi have a more comparable appearance. Only thing is, why is Terra pertaining to Riku?
on 19 May 2007 at 8:16 pm 145. vinan123
I remember when the first KH game came out, and a lot of people thought it was going to be lame, becuase of the Disney characters. And now, five years later, we’re all talking about what’s going to happen next.
on 19 May 2007 at 8:41 pm 146. Mohrphorm
Yep =D I didn’t buy KH until 2 years after it came out. It wa sout of boredom. I was hooked on it, and I couldn’t wait for KH2.
on 19 May 2007 at 9:14 pm 147. vinan123
I didn’t buy the first KH game until KH2 came out. And the only reason that I got was because I like the music that was played on the KH commercials. Some people think that’s a weird reason, but hey.
on 19 May 2007 at 10:23 pm 148. Hearts of Darkness
Hey Ven! in the post you put up you wanted to know how the person with the eye is. that’s Roxas from the first final mix secret video. go to google and type in kingdom hearts final mix, you should find alot more pics like that.
on 19 May 2007 at 10:42 pm 149. Mohrphorm
He’s right, it is Roxas. If you remember, that scene happened in the very beginning of KH2, when Xemnas tells Roxas about Sora (and despite being subbed, Roxas has no audio).
on 19 May 2007 at 11:53 pm 150. metalzoa17
What path does Terra and Aqua and Ven take?
on 19 May 2007 at 11:55 pm 151. metalzoa17
Nevermind the question i just asked.
on 19 May 2007 at 11:55 pm 152. i have a crush on kairi
hi everyone
on 19 May 2007 at 11:56 pm 153. i have a crush on kairi
i’ll just leave
on 20 May 2007 at 12:05 am 154. vinan123
i have a crush on kairi (really?) you didn’t even stay for five minutes to see if someone would post a comment.
on 20 May 2007 at 12:25 am 155. Shakespeare
Ansem the Wise didn’t /leave/ Radiant Garden, Xehanort banished him (it would seem into the Corridors of Darkness).
Aaand…this post is getting too long. Next up from Shakes will be an approximation on the age of Xehanort, so hold on to your hats, folks, and prepare for a frightening trip on Shakes’s train of thought.
All aboard.
on 20 May 2007 at 12:34 am 156. Shakespeare
Alright, now let’s try to fix an age range on Xehanort over the events of the games. (I often do comparisons such as these to narrow down a character’s age when a vague span is given, like, 25-30 for Sephiroth in FFVII.) Now, it’s hard to establish a timeline for when everything in KH happens, since all we have to work with are ages and the fact that one year passes between KH1 and KH2. Not even the Secret Ansem Reports are a reliable source to gauge the passing of time (since he says time does not exist in the Darkness), but here goes…
Xehanort’s Heartless (writing and acting under the name of Ansem, and henceforth referred to as Ansem) sent Kairi to Destiny Islands to test his hypothesis about the connection between the Princesses and the Keyblade (Ansem Report #11).
During the flashback in KH1, Sora and Riku discuss the door in the Secret Place, decide it’s boring, and leave, making mention of Kairi (the new girl) as they leave. They appear to be between six to eight years old (maybe older, since it’s difficult to judge). Anywhere between six to eight years could have passed before Sora’s journey began.
The portrait of Xehanort in Ansem’s Study (why in the world would he keep a portrait of Xehanort in his office? That’s a bit creepy, don’t you think? O,o) shows him in what I would say is his late teens to early twenties. I provided a link in my name to the portrait for convenience. He doesn’t appear to be much older than Cloud or Leon, certainly older than Sora, but much younger than the oldest members of the cast (such as Cid, Ansem the Wise). Secret Ansem Report #1 describes him as a ‘young man’, and he had already been in Radiant Garden for a few years (anywhere from 3 to 5 will be counted as ’some years’ for our purposes; any fewer would surely be called ‘a couple’, and any more would most likely be called ’several’ or ‘many’).
Ven doesn’t look to be much older than 15 or 16, nor does Aqua. If we assume that Terra is the oldest of the Chasers, and also assume that Xehanort was a Chaser, then putting him around 15 or 16 when he was found in Radiant Garden seems like an acceptable estimate.
We’ll start with minimum age first. If Xehanort was found in Radiant Garden at the age of 15, had been in service to Ansem the Wise for three years, banished Ansem the Wise in the same year that Mickey arrived and ordered the apprentices to stop their experiments, wrote the rest of the Ansem Reports in the same year, and that six years passed between when Kairi arrived at Destiny Islands and when Sora’s journey began, then Xehanort, now Ansem, would have been 25.
Maximum age…if he was 16 when he was found and was in service for five years, took another year between banishing Ansem and completing his research up to the point of getting Kairi off to Destiny Islands, and EIGHT years passed before KH1 started, then Xehanort, now Ansem, would have been 30 at the start of Sora’s journey.
A range of 5 years is a rather large margin of error, but I was very generous in the calculations for his absolute maximum age, whereas I tried to cram as much as possible into the shortest span of time for the minimum age. (And if Xehanort was half as brilliant as Ansem the Wise said, he could have easily met the minimum age range timeline, perhaps even done better. After all, he wrote EIGHT Ansem Reports before he was caught, I should think that he could whip out another two relatively quickly, especially after he had knocked Ansem the Wise out of the picture and could focus everything on his research.)
Thus, his maximum age range (as of KH1) is about 25 at the least, and at the very VERY most, 30. A more logical cap on his age would be about 28, though, since I doubt he would take a year between banishing Ansem the Wise and getting around to writing another Ansem Report, and THEN theorizing about the Princesses.
on 20 May 2007 at 1:10 am 157. Mohrphorm
That seems to make sense. The only thing that could change it is exactly how long ago the ending movie was, but judging by your “youg man” description, you’re right. Unless, other factors change it. Birth by Sleep perhaps?
on 20 May 2007 at 1:19 am 158. Ace of Diamonds
How could’ve Xehanort banished Ansem the Wise from Radiant Garden? According to the story, Ansem the Wise ruled over Radiant Garden at the time he found Xehanort. Now, Kairi was sent off to Destiny Islands by Xehanort to see if The Keyblade Weilder & Princess of Heart could become connected. Since Sora & Kairi had that special bond, Xehanort, well, Ansem, inhabited Riku’s body because he was succeptible to Darkness, and that Sora’s connection with Kairi was a made of a strong light that couldn’t be stopped. What puzzled me is that if Kairi is a princess then Xehanort, or Ansem the Wise was her father. Ansem I could understand because he ruled over Radiant Garden, but if it was Xehanort that is Kairi’s father, what King is he? If Xehanort was at a young age when he was found, like you said, probably in his teen years, then the only character in the Secret Ending that fits the bill is Ven. He seemed to be the youngest out of everybody. It could be possible that when The Old Man froze Ven, he must’ve erased his memories. When he awoke, he was found by Ansem the Wise with Aqua & Terra nowhere to be found. He remembers the name Xehanort, and calls himself that. I’ll stop there because I’m not to into that theory. If Xehanort was a young man when he was found, maybe it was that Dark Soldier, he looked pretty agile. But Ansem the Wise said he found, XEHANORT. We last saw Aqua, Terra, & Ven when the Secret Ending ended. Something had to have happened.
on 20 May 2007 at 1:53 am 159. Mohrphorm
Maybe, “Xehanort” is a codename for a series of bad guys. The old guy passed the legacy onto Ven…. nah, sounds too dumb. Hmmm….
on 20 May 2007 at 2:02 am 160. metalzoa17
Here’s my question about organization 13! What’s the meaning of the X in their names?
on 20 May 2007 at 2:15 am 161. metalzoa17
Like Roxas, it was used to make a different name out of Sora after shuffling around the letters.
on 20 May 2007 at 2:33 am 162. Mohrphorm
“X” is commonly used to represent “null”, or nonexistent. My theory however is that it derives from Xehanort’s name, who basically began the tradition.
on 20 May 2007 at 2:57 am 163. metalzoa17
Also, is Xehanort still alive, if so, how?
on 20 May 2007 at 3:52 am 164. bernaporto
i’ve explained this alot of times already in diferent posts but ill just say it again.
When a heartless and its coresponding nobody are both destroyed (the heartless is destroyed first) That person comes back to life though no specifics have come up as to how.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:07 am 165. bernaporto
I really would like to focus more around the new characters than Xehanort.
For example how come the knights keyblades had no keychain??
How come Bald Guys keyblade had a Keychain??
Is Dark Knight a Heartless or not??
I know we can only guess the answers for these questions but lets at least try.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:09 am 166. bernaporto
I’m not really that interested in Xehanort. I just don’t think there is much to think about. In my theory though Xehanort has something very important to do with the keyblade wars he is not any of the characters from the secret ending.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:10 am 167. Mohrphorm
Hmmm…. the chains change the form of the Keyblade. Maybe Sora’s is special, and can change form?
on 20 May 2007 at 4:14 am 168. metalzoa17
I got a question for you guys, why does Xehanort’s Riku’s keyblade has an eye on it?
on 20 May 2007 at 4:21 am 169. bernaporto
most people say that a keyblade with no keychain is not real.
That would mean the knights aren’t real keyblade wielders but the bald guy is.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:23 am 170. bernaporto
Nomura stated that the sentence “the fate of all occurs not by chance…” anyone know what it means??
on 20 May 2007 at 4:23 am 171. aaron/NOXRAA
that could be true be cause rikus heartless keyblade had no key chain
on 20 May 2007 at 4:24 am 172. Bella
I have no idea.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:25 am 173. aaron/NOXRAA
bella hey how are you doing today
on 20 May 2007 at 4:26 am 174. Bella
Great. You?
on 20 May 2007 at 4:26 am 175. aaron/NOXRAA
GOOD
:)
on 20 May 2007 at 4:27 am 176. Bella
Zen might not be able to get on as much. I accidently got her grounded.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:28 am 177. aaron/NOXRAA
HOW DID YOU DO THAT?
on 20 May 2007 at 4:29 am 178. bernaporto
the other translation is “Fate doesn’t happen by accident, there is necessity”
they seem to mean the same thing so use wich everone you like.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:30 am 179. metalzoa17
Are you talking about Riku’s sword that later became a keyblade? One, how did he do that and Two, where did Riku get the keyblade that he gave to Kairi?
on 20 May 2007 at 4:31 am 180. aaron/NOXRAA
your right metalzoa17 how did he
on 20 May 2007 at 4:31 am 181. Bella
OKay, well she was on the internet and I didn’t know she wasn’t supposed to be on, but I had to kick her off because I was going to a friend’s house and I needed money so I needed to call my Mom. Then my Mom said, “I’ve been trying to call you for two hours! What were you doing?” So I said, “Well Zen was on the internet.” And then our Mom explodes and Zen flipped me off because she thought I knew she didn’t have permission so I informed my Mom that she did so and then Zen swore under her breath so I told my Mom that too because I didn’t know that Zen didn’t know I didn’t know she didn’t have permission. Thus, Zen is grounded. Oops.
The end.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:31 am 182. metalzoa17
“Fat doesn’t happend be accident” that sounds like when Sora first got the Kingdom Key.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:32 am 183. bernaporto
here’s the whole interview:
“Lastly, has Sora’s journey come to an end this time? Before you told us “I have the end of Kingdom Hearts in my head”, but does this mean that Sora won’t be there? There seem to be new developments with the Kingdom Hearts Series, so can you please tell us within the present limits any hints?
Nomura: Without recalling too much about the mysteries and problems of the outline remaining for Kingdom Hearts series thus far, I don’t think that Sora’s journey is over. If you get to see the ending of Kingdom Hearts II I think you will be able to sense some new premonitions. Regarding what I said about the “end” of Kingdom Hearts, of course I won’t be able to say anything about that yet, but if the numbering of Kingdom Hearts were to go to “III”, I doubt that Sora would have no relation to it. Even if I wrap up Kingdom Hearts, I don’t think that Sora will be irrelevant.
Nomura: Also, there are many new developments. I think that the news will be able to satisfy the widely supportive Kingdom Hearts fans everywhere. As there is still more to say about this “new” thing, please dare to think with a different flow, rather than just going with what’s mainstream. I will give you a hint about the contents of one of the numerous developments. In the freshly added secret movie a phrase comes out, “Fate doesn’t happen by accident, there is necessity”. (Riku: In the translated version of the secret ending, this is the line “The fate of all occurs not by chance…”)”
on 20 May 2007 at 4:33 am 184. aaron/NOXRAA
ok thats a long story
on 20 May 2007 at 4:34 am 185. Bella
Yeah. Sorry. And I said it all in one breath!
on 20 May 2007 at 4:35 am 186. aaron/NOXRAA
how long is she grounded for?
on 20 May 2007 at 4:37 am 187. Bella
I dunno. A while. My Mom will probably forget by tomorrow, but she claims Zen has to do four hours of yard work to make up for the two hours on the internet. We have a family barb b q next week, so the lawn has to look nice. Yipee! More work for me! And Zen, of course.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:37 am 188. Xogonal
hi guys
on 20 May 2007 at 4:37 am 189. bernaporto
riku didn’t create the Soul Eater keyblade from his sword he simply used it as a keyblade from the dark realm when sora stole back the kingdom key.
About Kairy’s keyblade i believe that when riku saw how strong her heart was he simply summoned another keyblade and gave it to her to see if she could wield it. Nomura stated “There can be as many keyblade wielder’s as there are people with qualified hearts.”
on 20 May 2007 at 4:38 am 190. aaron/NOXRAA
well i gess its kind of my fault to tell zen sorry for me
on 20 May 2007 at 4:38 am 191. Bella
Hey, Xonogol. Ari sent me with a message for you!
on 20 May 2007 at 4:39 am 192. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
really?
on 20 May 2007 at 4:39 am 193. Bella
No it’s not your fault. It’s her fault for getting on and not telling me she didn’t have permission when I called my Mom.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:40 am 194. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
Bella which was the message?
on 20 May 2007 at 4:40 am 195. bernaporto
does anyone have any ideas about what this sentence might mean???
on 20 May 2007 at 4:41 am 196. aaron/NOXRAA
ok i fell bad for her
on 20 May 2007 at 4:41 am 197. Bella
Yep. Ariona said that you should put some music in the background of your site and maybe some polls or quizzes you could make up. She also said you could go on a quiz on Quizzila to find that picture of Sora you were looking for.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:42 am 198. metalzoa17
But is it the person who’s qualifide to weild a keyblade, the keyblade would have peard right into her hands.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:42 am 199. Bella
It’ll be okay because she’ll just get on late at night anyway. School is out in six days and then she’ll stay up until noon like I did once.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:43 am 200. bernaporto
i don’t wanna interupt but i have to go to bed and i really want to know what you guys think about that quote so can we pleaseget back to kingdom hearts??
on 20 May 2007 at 4:43 am 201. Bella
What sentence?
And why does everybody think it’s their fault Zen’s grounded. IT”S HERS!
on 20 May 2007 at 4:44 am 202. aaron/NOXRAA
i dont know what it means sorry
on 20 May 2007 at 4:44 am 203. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
ok
on 20 May 2007 at 4:44 am 204. metalzoa17
Not to be rude, but what are you guys talking about?
on 20 May 2007 at 4:46 am 205. aaron/NOXRAA
were talking about my best friend zen
on 20 May 2007 at 4:46 am 206. bernaporto
She wasn’t trying to wield the keyblade so she couldn’t make it appear in her hands.
She only figured out she was a wielder when she had the keyblade in her hand.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:46 am 207. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
Bella, can you tell me what you are talking about?
on 20 May 2007 at 4:47 am 208. bernaporto
metalzoa17- in case you haven’t noticed i answered you question at the start of this page.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:47 am 209. Bella
What do you mean, Xonogol?
on 20 May 2007 at 4:47 am 210. aaron/NOXRAA
shes typeing it right now
on 20 May 2007 at 4:48 am 211. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
no nothing, it doesnt matter
on 20 May 2007 at 4:49 am 212. Bella
Who’s typing what?
Bernaporto, what’s your question?
on 20 May 2007 at 4:49 am 213. Bella
Agh! I’m so confused!
on 20 May 2007 at 4:49 am 214. metalzoa17
Ok, another thing I want to ask! Like Sora and Riku, they follow a path, Sora’s is the path to light and Riku’s is the path to dawn, whats Kairi’s path?
on 20 May 2007 at 4:49 am 215. aaron/NOXRAA
never mind bella
on 20 May 2007 at 4:49 am 216. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
-.-
on 20 May 2007 at 4:50 am 217. Bella
What am I never minding??????????
on 20 May 2007 at 4:50 am 218. bernaporto
Abou the meaning of the quote: “Fate doesn’t happen by accident, there is necessity”.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:50 am 219. aaron/NOXRAA
rukis is twiligth
on 20 May 2007 at 4:51 am 220. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
kairi is a princess, her path is the light (kairi´s heart is purer than sora`s heart; so it is very obvious)
on 20 May 2007 at 4:53 am 221. Bella
Um. . . there are no coincidences. There is a reason for everything that happens. It’s the same in real life. Crap doesn’t happen for no reason.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:53 am 222. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
I will answer you with something i heard in a serie:
Luck never happens by accident, everything is determinated
on 20 May 2007 at 4:53 am 223. aaron/NOXRAA
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on 20 May 2007 at 4:53 am 224. bernaporto
nomura has also explained that there an be more than one keyblade wielderfor each path. King mickey, Sora, and Kairy all folow the path of light.
Nomura has also hinted that Dawn is not really a path but the connection between dark and light. Twilight fades into darkness just like dawn reaches light.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:54 am 225. metalzoa17
aren’t there 4 paths?
on 20 May 2007 at 4:54 am 226. aaron/NOXRAA
you can not change your fate no one can thats from the prince of persia
on 20 May 2007 at 4:55 am 227. bernaporto
what kind of answer is that??
on 20 May 2007 at 4:55 am 228. aaron/NOXRAA
yea thars 4
on 20 May 2007 at 4:56 am 229. Bella
What kind of answer is what? Who? Which one of us?
on 20 May 2007 at 4:56 am 230. metalzoa17
well, I’d already know that Riku’s path lies in between darkness and light.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:56 am 231. bernaporto
there are only two paths. Light and Darkness. However, there are to links between these paths. Twilight that fall into darkness and Dawn that rises into Light.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:58 am 232. bernaporto
this comes from nomura so it’s official.
You canunderstand it from riku’s talk with Diz at the end of Chain of Memories.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:58 am 233. aaron/NOXRAA
but in kh c.o.m riku takes the twilight road
on 20 May 2007 at 4:58 am 234. Bella
I haven’t played Chain of Memories. I haven’t found it anywhere.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:59 am 235. bernaporto
Bella- i was talking to aaron who quoted Prince of Perisa and Xogonal who quoted an anime series.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:59 am 236. Bella
I’m severely confused.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:59 am 237. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
Luck doesnt exist, only the inevitable
Example: you were going to go to another country but you passed by (you over slept), then you hear that the plane you were going on has crashed.
In other words, everything is determined, maybe you werent destinited to die that moment
on 20 May 2007 at 5:00 am 238. aaron/NOXRAA
i have kh c.o.m for the gba
on 20 May 2007 at 5:00 am 239. metalzoa17
I still don’t get it, if there’s only path to darkness and light, than why did they show in the KH2 FM+ trailer the chasers coming from 4 different paths?
on 20 May 2007 at 5:00 am 240. bernaporto
aaron- check it again riku takesthe path of dawn into light. Which is now know to be just a link from darkness to light and not an actual path.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:01 am 241. aaron/NOXRAA
we know bella [jk]
on 20 May 2007 at 5:01 am 242. Bella
A boy in Zen’s class broke his leg this year, and they discovered a tumor that would have developed into something much worse if he hadn’t broken it so they could find it. EVERYTHING is meant to happen. He won’t walk without crutches until August, but at least he won’t die.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:03 am 243. Bella
I don’t know anything about these paths.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:03 am 244. bernaporto
Were going offtrack here.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:03 am 245. aaron/NOXRAA
no he takes the path to twiligth
on 20 May 2007 at 5:04 am 246. Bella
Agh! I’m confused again!
on 20 May 2007 at 5:04 am 247. aaron/NOXRAA
what y dont know bella the paths in kh
on 20 May 2007 at 5:04 am 248. Bella
Not at all. Please explain.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:05 am 249. aaron/NOXRAA
bella i send you a pictur of a lot of keyblades and they were in 4 rows 4paths
on 20 May 2007 at 5:05 am 250. bernaporto
Just think about kingdom hearts is the dorr that unites the worlds of light and darkness. to go into kingdom hearts from the side of light into darkness is called Twilight to use the door to light to come back from kingdom hearts to light is called dawn.
Got it now?
on 20 May 2007 at 5:06 am 251. Bella
Sure. . .
on 20 May 2007 at 5:08 am 252. bernaporto
when king mickey and Riku get out of castle oblivion Diz asks Riku if he will take the path of Twilight into Darkness and Riku answers that he will take the path to dawn.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:08 am 253. aaron/NOXRAA
bella im sending you some new picturs now are you under zens email
on 20 May 2007 at 5:09 am 254. bernaporto
do you remember aaron??
on 20 May 2007 at 5:09 am 255. aaron/NOXRAA
and then diz gos you mean the path to twilight
on 20 May 2007 at 5:09 am 256. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
Dont you get it arghhhhhhh
The basic thing first: there exist 4 worlds: the world of light and the world of dark (both form kingdom hearts), later exist the world of nothingless and a world mentioned in ansem report (it is too complicated so just forget this one)
Know: Riku has only two paths (kingdom hearts paths)one of the light and of the dark, there is a link beetween them
The important part: When Diz said the pàth of dawn and twilight he didint refer of another links, it was a metafore like if he was going into the darkness or into the light. Riku showsed to be in the middle of them (same darkness, same light)
on 20 May 2007 at 5:10 am 257. Bella
I know the password. I can get in.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:10 am 258. metalzoa17
what was Xehanort’s reason for going after Kingdomhearts diring the keyblade war?
on 20 May 2007 at 5:10 am 259. aaron/NOXRAA
ok do it
on 20 May 2007 at 5:11 am 260. Bella
now? I’m already in it. . . just a sec. I”ll go.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:11 am 261. bernaporto
just go to youtube and search re:chain of memories ending. you’ll most likely find it in better graphics than the original chain of memories. but it will have english subtitles on japanese voiceovers.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:13 am 262. metalzoa17
so, the link from light to dark is twilight and the link from dark to light is dawn!
on 20 May 2007 at 5:13 am 263. Bella
Okay, thanks.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:13 am 264. bernaporto
after diz asks you mean the path of twilight? He answers no the path of Dawn.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:14 am 265. bernaporto
Gotta go bye.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:14 am 266. Bella
Aaron? Did you send it? It’s not there!
on 20 May 2007 at 5:15 am 267. Bella
Bye, then. Nice talking to you.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:15 am 268. aaron/NOXRAA
k i sent them
on 20 May 2007 at 5:15 am 269. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
I have something to say, who cares which path riku was, remember that in the end of KH II he returns to the path of light
END OF THE STORY!!!!!
on 20 May 2007 at 5:16 am 270. Bella
Oh. Now it’s there. let me read it, just a sec.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:17 am 271. aaron/NOXRAA
yea he does doesent he
on 20 May 2007 at 5:17 am 272. metalzoa17
ok
on 20 May 2007 at 5:18 am 273. metalzoa17
I got everything I need to know about KH keyblade war
on 20 May 2007 at 5:18 am 274. aaron/NOXRAA
ok bella did you get them ???????
on 20 May 2007 at 5:19 am 275. aaron/NOXRAA
thats the name of the game
on 20 May 2007 at 5:19 am 276. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
Hey i got a question: ¿ which weapon would you like to have from the organization XIII? I would chose beetween the secyte and the keyblade.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:19 am 277. Bella
Yeah. Thanks. They’re cool.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:20 am 278. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
which game?
on 20 May 2007 at 5:20 am 279. aaron/NOXRAA
kingdom hearts 3 the key blade wars
on 20 May 2007 at 5:20 am 280. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
-.- i already had an image of the kh III post
on 20 May 2007 at 5:20 am 281. aaron/NOXRAA
axels wepons
on 20 May 2007 at 5:21 am 282. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
just put in google images “kingdom hearts 3″ and chose the third image
on 20 May 2007 at 5:21 am 283. Bella
Yeah. Those are wicked awesome. Though the keyblade is cool too . . . hmm . . .
on 20 May 2007 at 5:22 am 284. aaron/NOXRAA
thats not the real cover
on 20 May 2007 at 5:22 am 285. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
You would like the chakras? (axel weapon) well me too if i had the power of fire
on 20 May 2007 at 5:23 am 286. aaron/NOXRAA
is that what ther called?
on 20 May 2007 at 5:23 am 287. Bella
I do, because I have a *spicy* attitude. jk. I just had Pepsi a little while ago. Pepsi makes me happy.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:23 am 288. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
Soo which one is the real cover?
on 20 May 2007 at 5:25 am 289. aaron/NOXRAA
non ove them is the real cover
on 20 May 2007 at 5:28 am 290. Bella
Anybody there?
on 20 May 2007 at 5:29 am 291. aaron/NOXRAA
yea!!!!
on 20 May 2007 at 5:29 am 292. metalzoa17
I’m here, but that doesn’t really count.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:29 am 293. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
KNOW THIS: IF YOU LIVED IN THE KINGDOM HEARTS RULES AND “DIED” WHICH HEARTLESS YOU THINK YOU WOULD BE?
AND WHICH NOBODY YOU WOULD BE MORE ALIKE FROM THE ORGANIZATION?
I would be darkside (no joke because i may look normal but i am extremely revengeful if someone pisses me off)
And roxas (the good part of me)
on 20 May 2007 at 5:30 am 294. Bella
I no clue what I’d be. . .
on 20 May 2007 at 5:31 am 295. aaron/NOXRAA
well i am a nobody im noxraa and i killed my heartless
on 20 May 2007 at 5:31 am 296. metalzoa17
I problably be one of those be neo heartless
on 20 May 2007 at 5:31 am 297. Bella
Good job, Aaron. That took a LOT of thought.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:32 am 298. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
A little hint
for the heartless: think about the negative part of you (dont lie because i didnt lie when i said i would be darkside)and put it in the level you think is more situable
for the nobody: which acctitude you would have from the organization most likely
on 20 May 2007 at 5:33 am 299. metalzoa17
and since my will isn’t really that strong, I probably be one of those common nobodies.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:33 am 300. aaron/NOXRAA
a dusk you mean
on 20 May 2007 at 5:34 am 301. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
common nobodies dont count (just the organization guys)
on 20 May 2007 at 5:34 am 302. Bella
Hmm . . . I get pissed off easily . . . and I hate almost everyone in my school . . . but I would never bring a gun to school like somone did the other day . . . Yeah. I don’t know.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:34 am 303. metalzoa17
ya
on 20 May 2007 at 5:34 am 304. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
well maybe twilight tworn counts
on 20 May 2007 at 5:35 am 305. aaron/NOXRAA
no they dont count
on 20 May 2007 at 5:36 am 306. metalzoa17
My anger would always get the better of me and I hated almost anything I see. Ya I would be a neo heartless
on 20 May 2007 at 5:37 am 307. Bella
I’ve been thinking and . . . I came up with nothing.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:37 am 308. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
The reason i shosed darkside is because, when everytime someone pisses me off (reaaaaaaaaaaally pisses me off) a little of revenge is born on me , and by every day that little revenge grows, it may take a lot of time, but once it is in its maximum y get out of me and show the bad part of me (see thjat i am ussually the pacient guy)
on 20 May 2007 at 5:38 am 309. aaron/NOXRAA
my heartless was a just a shdow heartless
on 20 May 2007 at 5:39 am 310. metalzoa17
but i didn’t like getting into fight so, I would be a heartless dog, all bark and no bite.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:39 am 311. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
Hey, dont lie, to be a shadow heartless you must be extremely good (almost nobody coul get turned into a shadow)
on 20 May 2007 at 5:39 am 312. aaron/NOXRAA
haha wimp
on 20 May 2007 at 5:40 am 313. Bella
That’s kinda how Zen is. One time these kids on the bus were making fun of me and they did it everyday. I was only a fifth grader and they were in jr high. Zen got really pissed after a while and chewed them out in front of everyone. Ha ha. It was pretty funny.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:40 am 314. Bella
Aaron, don’t call names. It’s mean.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:41 am 315. aaron/NOXRAA
its not a lie
on 20 May 2007 at 5:41 am 316. Bella
What’s not a lie?
on 20 May 2007 at 5:42 am 317. metalzoa17
hey I’m not a wimp, I’ll fight but I won’t start it
on 20 May 2007 at 5:42 am 318. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
I will say something, if someone says he is kurt siza, that means he is a killer son of a bit..(sorry for the language)who has no heart and will go to hell
on 20 May 2007 at 5:42 am 319. aaron/NOXRAA
weak ling
on 20 May 2007 at 5:43 am 320. Bella
Where’d that come from?
on 20 May 2007 at 5:43 am 321. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
My darkness is more powerful than yours
JAJAJAJA (i only have to stomp you to beat you)
on 20 May 2007 at 5:43 am 322. aaron/NOXRAA
it came from HELL!!!
on 20 May 2007 at 5:44 am 323. metalzoa17
who’s a weakling?
on 20 May 2007 at 5:45 am 324. aaron/NOXRAA
gess
on 20 May 2007 at 5:45 am 325. Bella
Why can’t girls just punch it out?
on 20 May 2007 at 5:46 am 326. aaron/NOXRAA
because girls are to soft to fight
on 20 May 2007 at 5:47 am 327. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
Girls ussually resemble the light (80% of the shadows are girls) but when a girl has darkness in her, they can get to very big levels
on 20 May 2007 at 5:47 am 328. Bella
Zen and I do it all the time. We’re pretty evenly matched.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:48 am 329. aaron/NOXRAA
sweet a chick fight
on 20 May 2007 at 5:48 am 330. Bella
Actually, I’m taller, but she’s got more muscle from lifting fat cheerleaders.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:48 am 331. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
Well know say which from the organization you would be ?(i already said roxas)
on 20 May 2007 at 5:49 am 332. aaron/NOXRAA
axel!
on 20 May 2007 at 5:50 am 333. Bella
Um . . .
on 20 May 2007 at 5:51 am 334. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
why axel?
on 20 May 2007 at 5:51 am 335. Bella
Chick fight, Aaron?
on 20 May 2007 at 5:52 am 336. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
bella at least say which nobody would you be?
on 20 May 2007 at 5:52 am 337. aaron/NOXRAA
axel was a bad guy at the begining then he was a good guy and gave up his life to help someone
on 20 May 2007 at 5:53 am 338. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
good reason
on 20 May 2007 at 5:53 am 339. aaron/NOXRAA
yea bella!!
on 20 May 2007 at 5:53 am 340. Bella
Let me ask Zen. Just a second.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:53 am 341. Bella
Demyx, is what she said.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:54 am 342. aaron/NOXRAA
demyx was the gayest member
on 20 May 2007 at 5:56 am 343. Bella
I’m not gay, Aaron!!! *I’m glaring at you through the computer* Don’t be surprised if that hurts your heart. I have a mean glare.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:56 am 344. aaron/NOXRAA
what heart LOL
on 20 May 2007 at 5:57 am 345. Bella
“If the subject fails to respond correctly, use agression to liberate his true disposition . . .”
“Dance, water, dance!”
on 20 May 2007 at 5:57 am 346. aaron/NOXRAA
I KNOW BUT DEMYX IS
on 20 May 2007 at 5:57 am 347. Bella
I knew you were going to say that. . . sigh. So predictable.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:58 am 348. Bella
Xogonol? Did you leave?
on 20 May 2007 at 5:59 am 349. aaron/NOXRAA
really he says YOUR ALL WET that says gay to me because sora is a guy
on 20 May 2007 at 5:59 am 350. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
i have some idea of some of the organization
Xemnas: ????????
Xigbar: you are over confident
Xaldin: You always wait for the moment to attack wre it hurts
Vexen: you dont care about the live of others
Lexeaus: ???????
Zexion: you are misteriuos and attack in different ways
Saix: ???????
Axel: you are good with you friends but extremely bad with yuor enemies
Demyx: you dont trust yourself
Luxord: you play with the enemy
Marluxia: also like luxord
Larxene: You love the suffering of others
Roxas: you are indecesive and ussally dont trust in anybody
on 20 May 2007 at 5:59 am 351. Bella
Sora is hot. I can’t blame him for liking Sora. jk
on 20 May 2007 at 6:01 am 352. aaron/NOXRAA
well i dont think sora is hot but i think kari is
on 20 May 2007 at 6:01 am 353. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
Marluxia is in a higher level than luxord
on 20 May 2007 at 6:01 am 354. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
yeah
on 20 May 2007 at 6:02 am 355. Bella
Yeah. Can’t say I think Kairi’s hot. I don’t swing both ways.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:03 am 356. aaron/NOXRAA
coolest does LOL
on 20 May 2007 at 6:04 am 357. Bella
Coolest will do anything for love. He’s a freak.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:04 am 358. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
too bad they never kiss (sora and riku, it is a lie, i mean sora and kairi jeje)
on 20 May 2007 at 6:05 am 359. Bella
I get mad when they say Sora is gay. He’s not! He likes Kairi!
When my dad saw us beat KHII he laughed at the part where Sora and Riku were on that beach and kept saying they had secret, burning crushes on each other.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:06 am 360. Bella
Zen says Goodnight.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:07 am 361. aaron/NOXRAA
ok tell her good night
on 20 May 2007 at 6:08 am 362. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
The son of my uncle (i dont remember how to say it lol) always says sora is gay because the part when sora helps riku to get up (he thinks sora touches rikus ass)
on 20 May 2007 at 6:09 am 363. aaron/NOXRAA
i think he does hes a creep
on 20 May 2007 at 6:09 am 364. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
good night Zen ( by the way, his / her name is really Zen jajaja)
on 20 May 2007 at 6:09 am 365. aaron/NOXRAA
no its a nick name
on 20 May 2007 at 6:09 am 366. Bella
Okay then. Maybe he saw a bug and he was brushing it off. It could have been a black widow.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:10 am 367. Bella
Zen is a girl. We’ve always called her Zen.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:10 am 368. Bella
Who’s a creep?
I told Zen you said Good night.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:11 am 369. aaron/NOXRAA
rukis a creep
on 20 May 2007 at 6:11 am 370. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
Ya know the purest heartless ( princessess dont count because they dont have) are the littles green ones that dont attack and only make cure
on 20 May 2007 at 6:12 am 371. Bella
I don’t like Snow White. She sings like an old woman.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:12 am 372. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
Let me get this, you and zen are family, what connection you have with ariona (i though she was you sister )
on 20 May 2007 at 6:13 am 373. Bella
Okay. Zen is my sister and Ariona is my very close cousin. I talked to her on the phone before I got on.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:14 am 374. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
hey gotta go because it is 01:30 of the morning and i have to sleep
on 20 May 2007 at 6:14 am 375. Bella
Wow. Okay then. Goodnight.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:14 am 376. aaron/NOXRAA
its 2;13 over here
on 20 May 2007 at 6:15 am 377. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
ok thanks for the explanation and say i said hello to everyone, lets talk tommorrow
on 20 May 2007 at 6:15 am 378. Bella
12:15 here.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:15 am 379. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
until then goodnight…..
on 20 May 2007 at 6:15 am 380. aaron/NOXRAA
ok we will good night
on 20 May 2007 at 6:16 am 381. Xogonal-The Reincarnation of Roxas
goodnight aroon
on 20 May 2007 at 6:16 am 382. Bella
Good night.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:16 am 383. aaron/NOXRAA
its aaron!!!
on 20 May 2007 at 6:17 am 384. Bella
I like CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCOOOOOOOOLAAAAAAAAAAAAAATEEEEEEEEEE MILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLKKKKKKK!
on 20 May 2007 at 6:18 am 385. aaron/NOXRAA
hey bella did you see the pictur i sent you with that old guy
on 20 May 2007 at 6:18 am 386. Bella
uh huh.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:18 am 387. aaron/NOXRAA
i like fishey crackers!!!
on 20 May 2007 at 6:19 am 388. Bella
I don’t. Those things are gross. What foods do you hate?
on 20 May 2007 at 6:19 am 389. aaron/NOXRAA
i think thats xenort
on 20 May 2007 at 6:19 am 390. Bella
Really? Wow. he did not age well.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:20 am 391. aaron/NOXRAA
i hate no foods at all i eat anything
on 20 May 2007 at 6:20 am 392. Bella
I hate a lot. Fruits, Vegatables, and Steak are examples.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:21 am 393. aaron/NOXRAA
yea i know right
on 20 May 2007 at 6:21 am 394. aaron/NOXRAA
ok i hate pork chops and steak
on 20 May 2007 at 6:22 am 395. Bella
But I’m not annarexic. I eat more than almost anyone in my family. Just not those.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:22 am 396. aaron/NOXRAA
and lever gross
on 20 May 2007 at 6:22 am 397. Bella
Really? Everyone likes steak! IT’s so gross!
on 20 May 2007 at 6:23 am 398. aaron/NOXRAA
but i love sushe
on 20 May 2007 at 6:23 am 399. Bella
I hate all of those. And Thanksgiving turkey. And ham. and hotdogs.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:23 am 400. Bella
Sushi? Ew.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:24 am 401. aaron/NOXRAA
and i love kimbob
on 20 May 2007 at 6:24 am 402. aaron/NOXRAA
how can you hate hotdogs
on 20 May 2007 at 6:24 am 403. Bella
kimbob?
on 20 May 2007 at 6:25 am 404. Bella
I don’t know. They just gross me out.
My school serves fruit plates as an alternative lunch. They say “Who hates fruit?” Well me, evil lunch ladies!
on 20 May 2007 at 6:26 am 405. aaron/NOXRAA
kimbob is kind of like sushi but no fish but the seaweed is good
on 20 May 2007 at 6:26 am 406. Bella
Seaweed. Disgusting.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:27 am 407. aaron/NOXRAA
its not gross
on 20 May 2007 at 6:28 am 408. Bella
Yeah. It kind of is. THen again, I think most things are gross.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:29 am 409. aaron/NOXRAA
and i love pizza and ribs
on 20 May 2007 at 6:29 am 410. Bella
Pizza’s good. Ribs? Ew.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:30 am 411. aaron/NOXRAA
ive never tryed ribs untill last year now i love them
on 20 May 2007 at 6:31 am 412. Bella
They’re kind of sick. My Mom gets mad because I never like anything she cooks.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:31 am 413. aaron/NOXRAA
what kind of pizza do you like
on 20 May 2007 at 6:32 am 414. Bella
Pepporoni.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:32 am 415. aaron/NOXRAA
i love my moms cooking
on 20 May 2007 at 6:33 am 416. aaron/NOXRAA
me too with pineapple
on 20 May 2007 at 6:33 am 417. Bella
My Mom cooks pretty good, but she never cooks the food I like.
She threatened to not let me go to Girl’s camp because I think even their desserts are gross.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:34 am 418. Bella
Pineapple=fruitish=gross
on 20 May 2007 at 6:35 am 419. aaron/NOXRAA
whats the matter wiht you are you shur your not annarexic.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:35 am 420. Bella
Yes! When I find something I like, I eat all I can and I DON”T go throw it up. I think that’s disgusting.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:36 am 421. aaron/NOXRAA
barf ewwwww
on 20 May 2007 at 6:37 am 422. Bella
I’m not a vegetarian either because I don’t eat that stuff. I like cheeseburgers. Not homemade though.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:37 am 423. Bella
Yeah. It hurts to hurl.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:38 am 424. aaron/NOXRAA
i love buger king i wont to be the buger king guy
on 20 May 2007 at 6:39 am 425. Bella
Okay then. Burger King is good. I like their fries.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:39 am 426. aaron/NOXRAA
buger king rocks
on 20 May 2007 at 6:40 am 427. Bella
McDonald’s is gross.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:40 am 428. aaron/NOXRAA
yea it is oops i spelled burger king rong
on 20 May 2007 at 6:41 am 429. Bella
I got a cheesburger thrown at me once.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:42 am 430. aaron/NOXRAA
lol what!!
on 20 May 2007 at 6:43 am 431. Bella
We were on our way back from a family vacation and my Dad forgot to order my food for the millionth time so I wasn’t pleased and my Mom, sitting up front, picked up a tone in my voice(it wasn’t really there) and threw her cheesburger at me. Instead it hit my little brother. lol. Well, a pickle hit me. Or maybe it was lettuce.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:45 am 432. aaron/NOXRAA
HAHAHAHAHAH MY GUT HURTS
on 20 May 2007 at 6:45 am 433. Bella
I think the reason I don’t like food was those pills. They made me lose my appetite all the time so my docotr put me on a “fat diet”
on 20 May 2007 at 6:46 am 434. aaron/NOXRAA
fat pills
on 20 May 2007 at 6:47 am 435. Bella
I had to choose fatening foods over fat free ones. That was very fun.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:48 am 436. aaron/NOXRAA
so now your fat ???
on 20 May 2007 at 6:49 am 437. Bella
No! They took me off that as soon as I was the “Normal weight”. It was just because in sixth grade I weighed about 65 lbs.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:49 am 438. aaron/NOXRAA
wow im a 100
on 20 May 2007 at 6:50 am 439. Bella
I’m not sharing mine.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:51 am 440. aaron/NOXRAA
or was it a 102
on 20 May 2007 at 6:51 am 441. Bella
You don’t remember?
on 20 May 2007 at 6:52 am 442. aaron/NOXRAA
no i dont hang on let me go cheak
on 20 May 2007 at 6:52 am 443. Bella
You do that.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:52 am 444. aaron/NOXRAA
it says a 106
on 20 May 2007 at 6:53 am 445. Bella
Are you THAT skinny? How tall are you?
on 20 May 2007 at 6:55 am 446. Bella
Aaron?
on 20 May 2007 at 6:55 am 447. aaron/NOXRAA
5. some thing
on 20 May 2007 at 6:55 am 448. Shakespeare
Woah, I’ve only been out for one evening and this thread explodes. O,o I’ve got a lot of catching up to do! I’ll give my two bits on all the questions that have come up in the…what, six, seven hours I’ve been gome? XDD
Ace; Xehanort probably used the Darkness to banish Ansem the Wise. It’s not like he usurped the throne and was like ‘I banish thee’, it was more of a kidnapping-in-the-night sort of thing.
And just because she’s a Princess of Heart doesn’t make her a literal princess…Alice wasn’t a princess in Alice in Wonderland, but she was a Princess of Heart. It’s just a title, really. Ven’s eyes are blue, while Xehanort’s seem to be the same orange color that both Ansem and Xemnas have…and we never saw Ven change eye color, just Terra. And I think it’s quite likely that Xehanort was the Dark Soldier…and also that his true name is Xehanort. (If it was something else, then Terra wouldn’t have used that name, since he wouldn’t have known it.)
on 20 May 2007 at 6:55 am 449. Bella
Zen & I are both 5-8ish.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:56 am 450. Shakespeare
Bernaporto; My theory about the keychains is that if you remove the keychain from a Keyblade, it just goes back to it’s normal (base) form. In theory, if you were to remove the Ultima Weapon keychain from Sora’s Keyblade, it would revert back to the Kingdom Key without you putting on the Kingdom Key keychain. Also, since you can see a few of Sora’s Keyblades in the first movie, I have theorized that the crossroads is a separate realm where Keyblades wait to be summoned. There is obviously some way of retrieving both Keyblades and Keychains from this realm, and when the Keychain is equipped to another Keyblade, it either switches somehow with the actual Keyblade at the Crossroads, or it uses the actual Keyblade as a template to alter the Base Keyblade that a person possesses. If this theory is true, then each of the Chasers has no Keychain because that is the base form of their Keyblade. (And since they have access to the Crossroads, they could pretty much have their pick of Base Keyblades).
The Bald Guy has a Keychain because his Keyblade probably isn’t as powerful as the Chasers’ Keyblades, so he had to find a stronger Keychain.
And I don’t think the Dark Knight is a Heartless…since I think the Dark Knight is Xehanort.
Riku’s Heartless Keyblade from the first game has no Keychain, thus, because that is that Keyblade’s natural state. It has no modifications. Sora’s Kingdom Key has a keychain, however, because it was retrieved whole from the Crossroads; it wasn’t that only the Keychain was brought to him, like with his other Keyblades, and since he possessed both the Keychain and the Keyblade, someone else can’t equip the keychain and yank Sora’s Keyblade out of his hands. It’s a complete set. (And about Way To The Dawn, I remember reading somewhere that Riku used his Soul Eater as a medium to summon that Keyblade…I can’t remember where I saw it, though.)
‘The fate of all occurs not by chance’…well, if something is fated to happen, then it wasn’t by chance, right? It kind of explains itself…all of this was fated to happen.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:57 am 451. Shakespeare
Metal; While there are only two ‘true’ paths, Light and Darkness, there is still middle ground between them, namely Twilight and Dawn. One path approaches the Darkness, while the other approaches the Light. Think of it like a Yin-Yang symbol: the Darkness has some light in it, and the Light has some darkness. That is the essence of the Twilight and Dawn paths; each one encompasses both sides, but will lean more heavily toward one or the other.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:57 am 452. aaron/NOXRAA
cool im might be taller
on 20 May 2007 at 6:57 am 453. Bella
My cousins are taller than us. They’re freakishly skinny. Our family is naturally tall and skinny.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:58 am 454. aaron/NOXRAA
mine too!
on 20 May 2007 at 6:59 am 455. Shakespeare
Xogonal; wow, these are some loaded questions. My friend and I composed an entirely new Organization for a RP, and we’ve got a pretty wide range of weapons…my characters use Hu-Tou-Go blades, a Claymore, a spiked chain, Chui, shuriken, spiked Tessen and a composite bow. (Well, they don’t ALL use them, but you know what I mean.)
I always liked the Wyvern Heartless…I’d wanna be one of them. But I’d probably end up as a White Mushroom. Hehe… Aaaand, I’d probably be somewhere between Larxene (I’m snarky like no other) and Xemnas (yay for being melodramatic and talking for a really long time!).
on 20 May 2007 at 6:59 am 456. Bella
I have one cousin and I don’t know how old he is, but he’s at least one and a half feet taller than me. He’s a freak! jk
on 20 May 2007 at 7:00 am 457. aaron/NOXRAA
whats your favrit movie?
on 20 May 2007 at 7:00 am 458. Shakespeare
(Yeah, not to get off topic, or anything…9_9)
on 20 May 2007 at 7:01 am 459. Bella
I don’t really know. I hate Night at The Museum though. That’s going to end up like Finding Nemo: Overused!
on 20 May 2007 at 7:02 am 460. Shakespeare
…Indiana Jones trilogy and Advent Children are pretty high on my list.
on 20 May 2007 at 7:02 am 461. aaron/NOXRAA
come on mines dawn of the dead i like zombie movies
on 20 May 2007 at 7:03 am 462. Bella
Never seen any of those.
on 20 May 2007 at 7:03 am 463. aaron/NOXRAA
and ff Advent Children
on 20 May 2007 at 7:04 am 464. aaron/NOXRAA
have you ever seen a zombie movie?
on 20 May 2007 at 7:05 am 465. Bella
No.
on 20 May 2007 at 7:05 am 466. aaron/NOXRAA
for real never
on 20 May 2007 at 7:06 am 467. Bella
Nope. Never.
on 20 May 2007 at 7:07 am 468. aaron/NOXRAA
do you like any horra movies
on 20 May 2007 at 7:07 am 469. Shakespeare
Zombie movies rock.
on 20 May 2007 at 7:08 am 470. Bella
Well my Mom doesn’t like me to watch horror movies, but I’ve watched The Skeleton Key and When A Stranger Calls w/ my friends.
on 20 May 2007 at 7:08 am 471. aaron/NOXRAA
thank you Shakespeare whats your favrit
on 20 May 2007 at 7:09 am 472. aaron/NOXRAA
those arent horror
on 20 May 2007 at 7:09 am 473. Shakespeare
Ah, Skeleton Key was good…it was written by the same person who wrote The Ring, from what I understand.
on 20 May 2007 at 7:10 am 474. Bella
Well they’re close enough. The Skeleton Key was creepy.
on 20 May 2007 at 7:11 am 475. aaron/NOXRAA
i mean like blood and guts king of movie
on 20 May 2007 at 7:11 am 476. Bella
Then No. I can’t say I have.
on 20 May 2007 at 7:12 am 477. Shakespeare
…How about Mindhunters? You got the best of both worlds, there. XDD
on 20 May 2007 at 7:12 am 478. Bella
Sorry guys. I have to go. Zen’s asleep and I type loudly…
on 20 May 2007 at 7:13 am 479. Bella
Goodnight.
on 20 May 2007 at 7:14 am 480. aaron/NOXRAA
ok bella good night sweet dreams
on 20 May 2007 at 7:15 am 481. aaron/NOXRAA
Shakespeare hello
on 20 May 2007 at 7:15 am 482. Shakespeare
(Again, side note regarding Keyblades without Keychains: If you take a look at the picture I link to in my name, you’ll notice that Terra’s Keyblade has a place to PUT a Keychain…so it’s not like it’s a totally different kind of weapon, it’s just a Keyblade without an equipped Keychain.
…And Terra’s helmet makes him look like Batman. That was seriously the very first thing I thought when I saw the trailer. ‘Holy Keyblades, Batman!’)
on 20 May 2007 at 7:16 am 483. aaron/NOXRAA
hahah your right Shakespeare
on 20 May 2007 at 7:19 am 484. aaron/NOXRAA
Shakespeare
on 20 May 2007 at 7:20 am 485. aaron/NOXRAA
Shakespeare got to go it geting late bye
on 20 May 2007 at 7:27 am 486. Shakespeare
Yeah, it’s like 2:30 here…
on 20 May 2007 at 11:30 am 487. Tami
Reply to 127. Shakespeare (wow, people write a lot ^^’)
First of all, Earth in French is la terre (don’t ask me more words cause my french sucks)
‘Wind’ in portuguese is ‘vento’ and ‘water’ is ‘água’
on 20 May 2007 at 3:26 pm 488. jeff
hey i hear that there was a clip shown at square enix party of e.s.fighting in a 3D arena or something like that but i cant remember where i heard it but some guy posted on a different site about him seeing sora donald and goofy in new suits and chasing xemnas through place to place like through arena type sorta rooms and then ended up on the shore of destiny islands and said xemnas attacked kairi and ran off somehow through some kind of portal or something i cant remember what it said exactly but though i found it a week ago i should try to find it again it said they were in sometype of rainforest or something after that and if you go to http://www.youtube.com and type in kingdom hearts 3 fan trailer you see roxas in some type of rainforest or jungle or whatever it was and it may say 2008 at the end of the trailer but i clicked the info thing in the corner and said he was nearing the end of the creation so meaning that the game may not be numbered and probably come out this year.
on 20 May 2007 at 3:55 pm 489. Ace of Diamonds
Can you be a bit specific? I typed in “Kingdom Hearts 3 Fan Trailer”, and all I’m getting are videos that we’ve already seen before. A Link would be nice. If you could find that, it’d be awesome.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:34 pm 490. jeff
okay i may have made a mistake its not roxas in that rainforest i think its a final fantasy character but the rainforest may be on kh3 and there are some parts people may still want to checkout.
on 20 May 2007 at 4:57 pm 491. Shakespeare
Jeff; I think you’re describing the FFXIII demo trailer…I remember watching it and seeing screenshots of Lightning wandering through jungle.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:35 pm 492. jeff
your probably right though it said kingdom hearts 3 fan trailer but it had some kh clips in it i mean like was those people sitting down in the green and yellow coats similar to the organizations coats have anything to do with the organization and besides that i dont really see how the bald guy is xehanort can anyone explain about that?Well anyways i heard about the xemnas thing on a different site to post comments and i thought it might have something to do with it cause it said they ended up in some type of jungle or something but it may be just a rumor.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:49 pm 493. metalzoa17
that bald Xehanort is the Xehanort that we know of through KH1 and 2.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:50 pm 494. metalzoa17
The KH2 trailer takes place in the past where it all started.
on 20 May 2007 at 5:55 pm 495. jeff
how could it be memories of xehanort when if the bald ones xehanort if it was memories wouldnt he be younger and if he is xehanort and went back in time from the future wouldnt his younger self be there and if that was the bald guy from the future if so wouldnt the normal time be like soras an adult and so with the resemblence in clothes with xehanort id say the bald guys just related and the names unknown so possibly having being and or relating something with terra or ven possibly meaning xehanort with relation with riku or sora.
on 20 May 2007 at 6:04 pm 496. Ace of Diamonds
How do we know The Dark Soldier isn’t Xehanort? I’m starting to get into that thoery. Where was the Dark Soldier when the Secret Ending was over. The Rock Formation The Old Man was on rose up into Kingdom Hearts, Aqua was holding Ven in her arms, and Terra I beleive opened his heart to Darkness when his eyes changed to yellow. Where was The Dark Soldier? Nobody focused much on him. We’ve all been on the case of The Old Man, Aqua, Ven, Terra, & King Mickey, but nobody has touched much on Xehanort. Also, Ansem the Wise never said what Xehanort was wearing when he found him. All it said was that he found Xehanort. That’s all. Nothing on his age, what he was wearing, or who he was with.
on 20 May 2007 at 7:35 pm 497. Hearts of Darkness
You know you’re right. maybe xahanort was with the other knights when he was found. I mean how else would aqua find him and then be thrown into that prison. For all we know he could have been impaled with a keyblade wearing the red/black on a castle wall armor for all we know (sorry about that little scene. gross huh?). But about where the red/black guy was in the video, he was with baldy on the rock.
on 20 May 2007 at 8:33 pm 498. Shakespeare
The old man could be Xehanort from the future trying to alter the past…perhaps to grant himself more power, perhaps to prevent something from happening (such as preventing the Keyblades from making it to their proper owners and having their proper owners be trained by the Chasers or something). Pete did the same thing, going into Timeless River and stealing the Cornerstone of Light, and he was able to meet up with his past self. We know that there’s nothing stopping such a thing from happening in KH.
on 20 May 2007 at 9:29 pm 499. jeff
mostly what we should probably be trying to find out is how terra avenged xehanort and why it says master xehanort besides the dark soldier is probably the same guy just as a heartless.
on 20 May 2007 at 9:37 pm 500. jeff
i also wonder where king mickey was when all that was happening from the secret ending.
on 20 May 2007 at 10:56 pm 501. bernaporto
Shakespear-thanks for answering my questions from earlier. i would still like more info on “The fate of all occurs not by chance…” Nomura gave deep importance to that sentence and i think it may be a key concept to figuring out what happens in the next game.
on 20 May 2007 at 10:58 pm 502. bernaporto
I still think that all the characters from the secret movie are new. They have links to the characters we already know but there new.
Also i don’t think that a real keyblade would brake like Ven’s did when he fell off the cliff
on 20 May 2007 at 11:01 pm 503. bernaporto
Shakespear- Nomura was the one who said that Riku used Soul Eater as a base for Way to Dawn when she was asked about the resemblance.
on 20 May 2007 at 11:04 pm 504. bernaporto
Also could we please leave this link for Kingdom Hearts related comments. I was out for one day and i had to look through 4 pages of movie, height, relationships, and a whole bunch of other stuff.
Please comment on Kingdom Hearts only or at least keep those conversations short.
on 20 May 2007 at 11:04 pm 505. bernaporto
Sorry if I was rude.
on 20 May 2007 at 11:09 pm 506. bernaporto
I believe that this game is a short side story kind of like chain of memories. Remember this is not kingdom hearts 3. Nomura has said that over and over again.
on 20 May 2007 at 11:10 pm 507. bernaporto
I also think you will play with the knights which would be incradible considering the fight between sora and Terra.
on 20 May 2007 at 11:31 pm 508. Hearts of Darkness
What if you play as mickey?
on 21 May 2007 at 12:19 am 509. Shakespeare
I know it was Nomura that said it, I just didn’t remember where I saw it, and I didn’t feel like searching through all the interviews to find the quote. XDD
Did Ven’s Keyblade break? I don’t remember that…I remember expecting his arms to break off as he fell down that cliff, since frozen stuff is fragile, but…I’ll go take a look, but it’ll be a while. ^^;
on 21 May 2007 at 12:29 am 510. Ace of Diamonds
Ven was holding his Keyblade when he was frozen, and The Old Man threw him off the cliff. The Keyblade and his helmet broke coming down, probably because of the velocity he was coming down had something to do with it. Jeff, I think that Mickey was sent by Yensid as a last ditch effort. I mean, Yenside had alot of knowledge on The Heartless, the Nobodies, and Organization XIII. It’s kinda strange how we only see him once in the game. But, don’t you find it a little strange about Mickey. I mean, how did he come to know about Keyblade, how is he able to weild Keyblade from the realm of Light & Darkness. Yensid after all did teach Mickey everything he knows. Maybe Yensid knew Mickey’s heart was strong enough to weild The Keyblade. Since Star-Seeker came from Yensid, he must’ve given it to Mickey to fight the ultimate evil. I take it this is before “King” Mickey got his own Kingdom Key from the realm of Darkness. Shakespear, when you mean Xehanort from the future, you meant The Old Man came from the future to the past to alter the events of time?
on 21 May 2007 at 12:31 am 511. andy
the old dude is totally superpowerful. talk about his youth, and how he was in his younger days
on 21 May 2007 at 12:36 am 512. Ace of Diamonds
I think that the secret endings are different. I know I’ve said this before, but I don’t see a connection with both Secret Endings. The shadowy figure looked to have long hair in the first one, but in the new ending, it an old bald man. The 3 Knights were carrying 2 Keyblades, and yet they only fought with one. The knight resembling Terra was standing waht people are saying is Xemnas’ Dragon from Kingdom Hearts 2. Well, if Xemnas didn’t come until Sora’s Adventure, how could it be in the past too? There is somehting I noticed. Mickey’s Kingdom Key is yellow, with a silver handle, yet in the secret ending, The Keyblade with Mickey’s Keychain was Silver, with a blue handle. I reall think the secret ending that happened at the end of Kingdom Hearts 2 is from the future, and the new secret ending is from the past. Maybe Sora, King Mickey, & Riku passed their Keyblades onto new Keyblade Weilders, and the shadowy figure is a new enemy.
on 21 May 2007 at 12:36 am 513. Ace of Diamonds
I think that the secret endings are different. I know I’ve said this before, but I don’t see a connection with both Secret Endings. The shadowy figure looked to have long hair in the first one, but in the new ending, it an old bald man. The 3 Knights were carrying 2 Keyblades, and yet they only fought with one. The knight resembling Terra was standing waht people are saying is Xemnas’ Dragon from Kingdom Hearts 2. Well, if Xemnas didn’t come until Sora’s Adventure, how could it be in the past too? There is somehting I noticed. Mickey’s Kingdom Key is yellow, with a silver handle, yet in the secret ending, The Keyblade with Mickey’s Keychain was Silver, with a blue handle. I reall think the secret ending that happened at the end of Kingdom Hearts 2 is from the future, and the new secret ending is from the past. Maybe Sora, King Mickey, & Riku passed their Keyblades onto new Keyblade Weilders, and the shadowy figure is a new adversary.
on 21 May 2007 at 1:13 am 514. Hearts of Darkness
hey Ace! did you just call me Jeff? four posts ago.
on 21 May 2007 at 1:17 am 515. Hearts of Darkness
Sorry! take back that last post
on 21 May 2007 at 1:46 am 516. bernaporto
Nomura said that you could think of the secret ending as being in the past but also in the future.
I didn’t quite get that but Ace of diamonds seem to have a good idea. i’m not sure if they are in different times but nice theory.
on 21 May 2007 at 1:48 am 517. bernaporto
If you notice Nomura gave a lot of information about the game on the interviews. However, everithing Nomura says is riddled.
on 21 May 2007 at 1:49 am 518. bernaporto
even if Ven’s keyblade was frozen i don’t think it should have broken like that.
That’s why i think that keyblades with no keychains aren’t real.
on 21 May 2007 at 3:17 am 519. jeff
okay which keyblade was ven using that got broke cause whosever had it like sora mickey or whoms keyblade from now if it was from the past how would the others be using it from now if it got broke unless it was in the future so maybe theres a possibility that they all went through different times.
on 21 May 2007 at 3:21 am 520. jeff
maybe peoples nobodies can weild keyblades like you know roxas did.
on 21 May 2007 at 3:26 am 521. Shakespeare
I described a Keyblade with its corresponding Keychain as being a ‘complete set’. Why wouldn’t they be real without a Keychain? If you took the Keychain off of Sora’s Kingdom Key, would it suddenly not be real?
What surprised me about that part of the trailer was that Ven’s arm didn’t break off, seeing as he was frozen solid. Terra took a similar fall and used his Keyblade to slow his descent; the only reason that Ven’s Keyblade broke was the fact that it was frozen, and the fact that it wasn’t regular ice, but was magic might have had something to do with it, too). I don’t know if you’ve ever seen what happens to things dipped in liquid Nitrogen, but on an episode of Bill Nye (I think…can’t think of where else I would have seen this…O,o) they took a rubber bouncy ball, bounced it on the desk, then dropped it in liquid Nitrogen. When they pulled it out and bounced it again, it shattered. The old man’s spell very well could have flash frozen Ven just like he had been dropped in liquid Nitrogen.
(And yes, I do mean that the Old Man came from the future to alter the past. That’s my theory anyway, and from what I can tell, it’s plausible.)
A possible reason that the Keyblades they had a moment before disappeared might have had to do with the fact that those Keyblades didn’t belong to them. They could carry them, but not use them, perhaps. (Also a possibility is that the second trailer didn’t happen immediately afterward; the sky is darker and the sun is gone when the Old Man arrives. This is likely to emphasize that not only a metaphoric Darkness is falling, but a physical one as well. They could have disappeared while we watched the Old Man approach. You might want to note that the Chasers don’t do anything as the Old Man approaches, but they suddenly react at the appearance of the Dark Knight. Perhaps Xehanort’s armor looked like that before (if Xehanort is the Dark Knight), upon which they realized his treachery? Food for thought, guys.)
on 21 May 2007 at 4:10 am 522. Ace of Diamonds
Can you guys see my posts and links because I get the “your comment is awaiting moderation” and think you guys can never see them. If you saw my last 3 posts, tell me, if not I’ll upload the photos one by one.
on 21 May 2007 at 4:59 am 523. Shakespeare
Since we’re talking about Keyblades, I’ve been watching the movie over and over again, focusing on just the Keyblades used (and at times, the fact that the music sounds like a track from the Death Note OST). We all know what Terra’s looks like, so we won’t discuss his.
Aqua’s Keyblade is very thin, and the teeth of her key are made of rather fancy, hollow designs, like lace. If anything, it looks like a fancy skeleton key or a decorative piece; it doesn’t look like it physically would pack much punch, which is probably why we don’t see her in the thick of things. She does, however, cast very powerful magic. (I never had a Reflega spell last THAT long when I played…nor did it ever explode at my enemies.) It’s likely that her fancy, lacy Keyblade has a high magic bonus.
Ven’s Keyblade strikes me as odd. If you pause the video immediately as he leaps over the Old Man to attack, then you’ll notice that the handle is different. The handle of his blade is to the SIDE, the grip is not part of the blade’s shaft. The shaft of the Keyblade is also curved quite distinctively; most others have straight bodies. Also worth noting is that the teeth of the blade resemble a wing of sorts, tying to his name.
The Dark Knight’s (I’ll call it Xehanort’s) Keyblade is difficult to see, as there is only one point in the video where you can clearly see it. Right before the Old Man summons a giant wall of rock to shoot out of the ground, you see the two come to a stop. Xehanort’s Keyblade is visible, but the entire weapon isn’t clear. What CAN be seen is that it is mostly black with red and white accents, the teeth resemble a gear, and the body is broad (rather like Terra’s). Because of the angle, we cannot see how long the Keyblade is, or much about the details on the body. (It’s difficult to isolate the Keyblade in action shots, as well, seeing as the video isn’t very clear, but the Keyblade doesn’t look to be as long as Terra’s, but it’s not as short as Ven’s.)
The Old Man’s Keyblade is similarly hard to see in full, but from what I saw, it strongly resembles a black and white chainsaw. The blade is similar to Hero’s Crest; it’s hollow in the middle, and seems to be made of two sides connected at the top (on Hero’s Crest, they’re two columns). The teeth of the Keyblade don’t really look like anything…an axehead, perhaps. The body is of uniform thickness along its length.
on 21 May 2007 at 5:02 am 524. Shakespeare
When did you make your last three posts?
on 21 May 2007 at 5:33 am 525. Ace of Diamonds
I made my last 3 posts trying to get links up from photos of the Secret Ending, but whenever I did, I got the “your comment is awaiting moderation”, and figured my posts won’t show up. I can’t even post them one by one now. So, just watch the Secret Ending from Kingdom Hearts 2, and Kingdom Hearst 2 Final Mix. Go to http://www.kingdomhearts.rpgplanet.gamespy.com, scroll down to where you see Kingdom Hearts 3, click on media, then scans/captures and compare those photos to the new secret ending. Both of them can’t be alike.
on 21 May 2007 at 5:48 am 526. jeff
on that last image from the link you put up what does it say in japanese on the image in the bottom left?
on 21 May 2007 at 6:00 am 527. Shakespeare
The approaching figure in the original trailer reminded me strongly of Kuja from FFIX when I first saw it.
Also worth noting is that the old man has a hunched figure and always carries his hands behind his back.
The link in my name should take you to the google result page for “kh2fm+ secret trailer”; the first link has both trailers back-to-back in one video.
on 21 May 2007 at 6:07 am 528. Shakespeare
The kanji is 全, which means ‘all’ (when read as ‘zen’). That’s the line which, in the English version, would read ‘It all began with’. The next line would be ‘Birth by sleep’.
on 21 May 2007 at 2:48 pm 529. Hearts of Darkness
Hey guy I cought the keychain of the old man!!! IT WAS ULTIMA WEAPON!! I was watching the video and saw it. screenshot! I then went on to kh and kh2 and saw that the chain looked very similar to the ultima weapon. The UW does change slightly through the two games and this one is a big change!! I could be right but most likely not.
Also… DON’T KILL ME FOR THIS!!!
on 21 May 2007 at 6:03 pm 530. Doug
i think that that old man on the vid is ansem’s heartless because if you look closely you’ll see thatthe old mans cloths are the exact saim as ansems exept for the fact that theres no heartless symbole on the white shirt.
on 21 May 2007 at 6:06 pm 531. Light Mage
Hello everyone
on 21 May 2007 at 6:21 pm 532. Ace of Diamonds
Oh yeah, you were right Shakespeare. They do both look alike. Imagine if that was actually the villain. Anywho, see the secret endings aren’t the same. Even you’re beginning to believe it too. There is so much contrast between both secret endings. This doesn’t mean the Knights in the Secret Ending are Sora, Riku, & King Mickey, but dangerously connected to them since they were able weild their Keyblades. The Xemnas Dragon that was there in one ending and wasn’t in the other before because it was before Xehanort even knew how to turn himself into a Heartless and a Nobody. How the scenery is lighter in the Kingdom Hearts 2 movie, but was slightly darker in the Final Mix Ending. It doesn’t make sense how they’d both be different. The Final Mix ending was in the past and the Kingdom Hearts 2 Ending was in the future. How’s you take on how King Mickey’s Keyblade is Blue in that movie, but gold when we see him. My theory is that his Blue Keyblade is from The Realm of Light, and his Gold Keylade is from the Dark Realm.
on 21 May 2007 at 10:19 pm 533. jeff
okay so if the bald guy xehanort is holding a keyblade with a keychain he probably has a heart and as you can see a fighting move in a battle with terra you can see it is also similar to one of xemnass fighting moves and xemnas i hear was xehanorts nobody possibly taught to terra by xehanort from a time or possibly terra is xehanort cause i see that xehanort was said a spirit that took control over riku or something like that possibly,you know from kh1 and in final mix i hear they say terra as the lingering spirit and it says memories of xehanort so it may have something to do with when he was younger not older unless the bald guy was his real self they may need to include that and there is an uncanny resemblence with xehanort and terra it may have said master xehanort because hes a keyblade master or one who taught fighting moves or something so we know theres a relation with xehanort and terra,terra may have avenged him somehow maybe from different times or something like or avenging himself of something without knowledge of it through lost memory cause it was said xehanort was found in need of help and had memory loss and again meaning relation with riku as in terra(xehanort) and through time he gave into the darkness and never got over it like riku gave into the darkness for some reason but was able to get over it and in the future xehanort(terra)lost his hair as he got older and hes evil from that time and so he found a way to go back in time to try to bring back heartless,nobodies,evil,etc. from kingdom hearts to win or takeover and such from the keyblade war and in the note sent from mickey mouse it may say something about how and possibility of another keyblade war asking for help and such maybe to bring them from their time to the past time to help win the keyblade war again and stuff like that.
on 22 May 2007 at 2:27 pm 534. Shakespeare
Yeah, Kuja was one of my favorite villains. I like the fact that you get to interact with him a little more than you usually do in a game, and he has the coolest palace ever.
But a Final Fantasy character will never be the main villain, and really, neither will a Disney character. Maleficent was more like the recurring antagonist/the main boss of Hollow Bastion than the main villain of the game. Though I would love to see more FF-based levels. (Ipsen’s Castle would be interesting, wouldn’t it?)
I don’t think that the trailers take place at totally different times, i.e. the past and the future. If that world is accessible at all points in time, past, present and future, then it could happen at any time, and at all times. (And if my theory about the world being where Keyblades reside is true, then it would need to be accessible across time.)
on 22 May 2007 at 9:52 pm 535. Ace of Diamonds
You know I did mention a long time ago how cool it would be to travel to Cloud’s World and home from Final Fantasy Advent Children seeing as how we always fight him. Imagine fighting with Cloud, and the combo attack he’d have with Sora. We could meet Barrett & Vince Valentine. I’m gettin amped just writing this. I would kill for a boss battle with Kadaj. He seems like such a badass villain. I still don’t get it. I don’t mean to sound like a broken record, but I just feel that alot of things with the 2 Secret Endings don’t match up. You probably think I’m insane, but it doesn’t make sense. Tetsuya did say that the secret ending took place in the past, but also in the future. It’s kinda random how one moment can happen in the past and the future, unless the Secret movie in Final Mix happened in the past, but at that same time, the secret ending we saw at the end of Kingdom Hearts 2 happened years into the future.
on 22 May 2007 at 10:02 pm 536. CC
I wonder why Ven looks so much like Roxas?
on 22 May 2007 at 10:04 pm 537. CC
Is he like Roxas’s reincarnation(clon)
on 22 May 2007 at 10:07 pm 538. CC
and about Terra,Why does his eye color chang from blue to orange
on 22 May 2007 at 10:34 pm 539. Ace of Diamonds
CC, I’ve been citing that reincarnation theory since God knows when, and I still believe in it. My theory about Terra’s eyes changing is probably him undergoing a transformation back to Darkness, or him tapping into the power of Darkness because of the glare og Kingdom Hearts. I could be wrong, but that’s what I think.
on 22 May 2007 at 11:27 pm 540. Hearts of Darkness
Ace of Diamonds, Shakespeare, you are so right! It would the most kick-ass level!! Sora and Cloud against Kadaj and then suddenly… Sephiroth!! I’m guessing they would make him easy. Or would you revisit the planet and then fight Sephiroth as a side quest. Any way, it would still be uber sweet!!
on 22 May 2007 at 11:38 pm 541. Hearts of Darkness
I was rereading the article and it said,
Nomura was asked: “We’d like to inquire about the new secret movie Birth By Sleep. In the new event The Truth about the Chamber of Sleep, Xigbar mentions a group that wields Keyblades. Is he talking about the 3 armored people in the movie?”
And Nomura answered: “Yes, Xigbar witnessed them when he was a disciple to Ansem the Wise.”
this brings up something interesting. Are the knights from Hollow Bation?
on 23 May 2007 at 12:02 am 542. jeff
(please read)hey does anyone think it would be cool to have the main character of dirge of cerberus in kingdom hearts 3 hey i think that ven looks so much like roxas because hes related to sora and his nobody is roxas so they pretty much look the same hey heres an idea about the secret endings besides the last one i posted maybe the figure thats kinda hard to see from the weather and distance could possibly be xehanorts nobody xemnas and xehanort probably has a heart cause he has a nobody and heartless like maybe the kingdom hearts 2 secret ending wasnt as far in the past as the one in final mix but before soras adventure and xemnas has a relation with the bald guy but then again xehanort might mean no heart but he may also have one i mean its just like roxas and namine probably do have harts its getting kinda confusing for me cause maybe xemnas has a heart as a nobody like roxas and namine unless they are just part of sora and namine and maybe thats why twilight town almost ceased to exist like a world of nobodies and the world that never was maybe xehanort was once a chaser and was avenged by terra somehow from something maybe having something to do with my other theory in my last post and i just looked up avenge and avenger in the dictionary it might give a clue it says avenge means to vindicate to take satisfaction for in parenthesis it says (avenging,avenged),and avenger says one who avenges and it says avenger of xehanort maybe avenges for him or avenged him and it says avenge means to take satisfaction for and i looked up satisfaction and it said gratification of desire and if the bald guy is xehanort and terra is the avenger of xehanort as you can see he desired to get into kingdom hearts so xehanort could be terra and maybe its just in the past having something to do with the future and possibly even still being in the past and present/future and either somehow xemnas went back in time just not as far as xehanort did in the future and maybe xemnas got the living crap beaten out of him maybe but i HIGHLY DOUBT IT and that it was just xehanort/terra in the secret endings and if terra/xehanort was there as his future self was maybe his nobody was in kingdom hearts(xemnas)its kingdom hearts maybe nobodies do have hearts like roxas and namine and axel and a lot of others just as another part of heart like darkness light and things like that maybe and xemnas may show up in the keyblade war and things like that and xehanort/terra is trying to get the evil and darkness and such out of kingdom hearts to take over and things like that but what i want to know is where did all the keyblades go from soras last adventures when hes walking by the crossroads all thats left there is grass and also if vens related to sora and aquas related to kairi then hwo the heck is soras mom and if kairis grandma told her the keyblade war story wouldnt her grandma have been there unless they were unsaid of the adventure like in kh1 and 2 then either aqua,ven,terra are kairi sora and rikus grandparents and xehanorts really old or just went through times for a while probably not and aqua and them are just parents and terra the future bald guy that went back in time is rikus father and as said birth by sleep terra lost his memory somehow and was found unconscious/asleep and riku may have been born and so i guess that riku and soras mothers names and (identities) are unknown and that kairis father is unknown i guess until kh3 maybe and things like that.(may need to read comment 533 my last post has somewhat about this theory)
on 23 May 2007 at 12:06 am 543. jeff
and hearts of darkness i also agree with Ace of Diamonds that would be cool!!!
on 23 May 2007 at 12:49 am 544. Vennos
hearts of darkness, ur retarded cause xigbar isnt even from hollow bastion.
on 23 May 2007 at 12:53 am 545. Vennos
that was sooooooooooooo confusing jeff. i dont have anything to say to you.
on 23 May 2007 at 12:54 am 546. Dinnomicx
you need to shut up venom
on 23 May 2007 at 12:54 am 547. Dinnomicx
i’m not trin to be mean or anything… i’m just sayin don’t mock people like that
on 23 May 2007 at 12:54 am 548. Vennos
obviously, terra seeks vengeance against xehanort cause of something that xehanort did to make terra angry.
on 23 May 2007 at 12:55 am 549. Dinnomicx
possibly…………
on 23 May 2007 at 12:55 am 550. Vennos
its me dominic! mKh!
on 23 May 2007 at 12:56 am 551. Dinnomicx
i see……….. just don’t mock people like that unless they mock you…
on 23 May 2007 at 12:56 am 552. Vennos
you type faster since the last time that i spoke with you.
on 23 May 2007 at 12:57 am 553. Vennos
its not MY fault! they just mad me so mad to put somethin so untrue on here…
on 23 May 2007 at 12:57 am 554. Dinnomicx
I have always typed this fast.. and watch out there is this guy who impersinates me… click on my name you get the adelphia.net page… but click on his it says page cannot be displayed…. so thats how you tell it’s me.
on 23 May 2007 at 12:58 am 555. Dinnomicx
alright alright don’t worry about it…..
on 23 May 2007 at 12:59 am 556. Vennos
you havent gotten rid of them yet! tsk tsk tsk… i coulda done that a long time ago.
on 23 May 2007 at 1:00 am 557. Dinnomicx
…………………………………
on 23 May 2007 at 1:00 am 558. Vennos
has kairi been on here lately? you know that ive been wanting to speak to her forever.
on 23 May 2007 at 1:01 am 559. Vennos
where is everybody?
on 23 May 2007 at 1:01 am 560. Dinnomicx
I havent talk to her in a loooooooooong time..
on 23 May 2007 at 1:02 am 561. Vennos
i keep seein her come on every once in a while but i just cant seem to catch up to her…
on 23 May 2007 at 1:04 am 562. Vennos
ill be back in 2 minutes.
on 23 May 2007 at 1:06 am 563. Dinnomicx
ok……………………
on 23 May 2007 at 1:09 am 564. Vennos
im back.
on 23 May 2007 at 1:13 am 565. Dinnomicx
I am part of the staff now…
on 23 May 2007 at 1:13 am 566. Vennos
hello? are u there?
on 23 May 2007 at 1:13 am 567. Vennos
no youre not!
on 23 May 2007 at 1:16 am 568. Dinnomicx
Yes i am.. now i can’t change my name back to orange…
on 23 May 2007 at 1:17 am 569. Dinnomicx
oh wait! yeah I can!
on 23 May 2007 at 1:19 am 570. Vennos
how so you change your name color?
on 23 May 2007 at 1:22 am 571. Dinnomicx
never mind about the color.
on 23 May 2007 at 1:23 am 572. Vennos
how do you change it?
on 23 May 2007 at 1:24 am 573. Dinnomicx
I don’t know…..
on 23 May 2007 at 1:27 am 574. Vennos
obviously you do!
on 23 May 2007 at 1:28 am 575. Dinnomicx
I don’t… i joned the staff and my name was black for one comment and now it is orange.
on 23 May 2007 at 1:32 am 576. Vennos
you were always able to make it orange. you did even before this.
on 23 May 2007 at 1:34 am 577. Dinnomicx
i forgot it won’t let me change anymore….. just put your email site in the place where you sign in
on 23 May 2007 at 1:35 am 578. Dinnomicx
……………………………………………………
on 23 May 2007 at 1:36 am 579. Vennos
i gotta go.
on 23 May 2007 at 1:37 am 580. Light Mage
Hey everyone
on 23 May 2007 at 1:39 am 581. Light Mage
Dinnomicx?
on 23 May 2007 at 1:39 am 582. Dinnomicx
Hey light mage
I am part of the staff now..
on 23 May 2007 at 1:40 am 583. Dinnomicx
And you can call me Dominic Loke almost everyone else does…
on 23 May 2007 at 1:41 am 584. Dinnomicx
Bye Vennos
on 23 May 2007 at 1:41 am 585. Dinnomicx
uhhhh light mage? did you leave
on 23 May 2007 at 1:41 am 586. Light Mage
You R cool I tried
on 23 May 2007 at 1:42 am 587. Dinnomicx
‘m cool? why are you tired?
on 23 May 2007 at 1:42 am 588. Light Mage
i do somethings
on 23 May 2007 at 1:42 am 589. Dinnomicx
like what?
on 23 May 2007 at 1:44 am 590. Light Mage
Sorry computer problems it woke let me type alot
on 23 May 2007 at 1:44 am 591. Dinnomicx
i see……………
on 23 May 2007 at 1:45 am 592. Light Mage
So… who is Vennos
on 23 May 2007 at 1:46 am 593. Dinnomicx
Vennos is MKH
on 23 May 2007 at 1:47 am 594. Light Mage
oh! talk to marth lately
on 23 May 2007 at 1:47 am 595. Dinnomicx
……….
on 23 May 2007 at 1:48 am 596. Dinnomicx
nope………….
on 23 May 2007 at 1:49 am 597. Light Mage
do like the name WaterKing?
on 23 May 2007 at 1:49 am 598. ....................................
Hey light mage are you a boy or girl?
on 23 May 2007 at 1:50 am 599. Dinnomicx@adelphia.net
Sorry my friend is playing with the computer
on 23 May 2007 at 1:50 am 600. Light Mage
a Boy why?
on 23 May 2007 at 1:50 am 601. Dinnomicx
Darn him he put my email address as my name.
on 23 May 2007 at 1:51 am 602. Dinnomicx
That was a random question..
on 23 May 2007 at 1:52 am 603. Light Mage
Just to tell no cus words when I talk my mom watches
on 23 May 2007 at 1:55 am 604. Dinnomicx
I have to go.. for now… I might be on later ..
on 23 May 2007 at 1:55 am 605. Light Mage
Dominic?
on 23 May 2007 at 1:56 am 606. Dinnomicx
bye lightmage.
and waterking is a pretty good name
on 23 May 2007 at 1:56 am 607. Light Mage
I have to go anyway see you tomorrow bye
on 23 May 2007 at 2:19 am 608. jeff
okay im not trying to be rude or anything but your supposed to comment on kingdom hearts 3 here not just greet and compliment eachother.
on 23 May 2007 at 2:24 am 609. jeff
does anyone think that there is something that doesnt make sense in my last comment/theory or anything that needs to be fixed.comment#543
on 23 May 2007 at 2:29 am 610. Shakespeare
Jeff; Aah! Doomograph! I’ll read it anyway…even if it is…one…sentence. O,o (I think that adding punctuation and breaks would have been a great ‘fix’, as it were.)
Yes, having Vincent would be pretty sweet…but he uses a gun. They’d probably try and turn it into a crossbow or something. Or just have him use his awesome claw.
And with all the suggestions about the two videos taking place at different times…perhaps they do, but I don’t think the time difference is all that great. It wasn’t for the first Final Mix. Anyway, both movies take place in the past…but it’s unknown what relationship the time is between them. But Mickey’s not in his normal clothes, and he has Star Seeker, indicating that the second video is also in the past.
Anywho…since it’s in the past, Xemnas won’t be there. Only Xehanort. Nomura said that the story of the Keyblade War was a fairy tale, but that it wasn’t entirely fictitious. Therefore, none of them had to be there to be able to recount the story; it was likely told to them many times in their youth. Thus, I don’t think that Aqua, Ven and Terra are Sora, Riku or Kairi’s parents.
Vennos; Braig was from Radiant Garden. Therefore, Xigbar is from Radiant Garden. And can we PLEASE try to keep on topic, here? If you two know each other, converse via e-mail or a messenger, please. Two pages of pointless banter between two people is quite enough.
on 23 May 2007 at 2:35 am 611. jeff
i think that with a keyblades keychain if you take the original one off and put a different one on it becomes a different keyblade like kingdom key to oathkeeper and i think the crossroads was where the keyblades were once forged that would be cool if they were scattered in different worlds and in the next game you get to find them.
on 23 May 2007 at 2:45 am 612. jeff
i guess i shouldnt have made it so long for one comment but thanks for reading it shakespeare!
on 23 May 2007 at 2:51 am 613. jeff
i think that king mickey and how he got the golden keyblade has something to do with the organization cause in kh2 he was wearing an org 13 coat.
on 23 May 2007 at 6:45 am 614. Shakespeare
Well, I make long comments, too, but I break mine into paragraphs…and sentences. Your post had only one period in it. O,o I totally understand stream of consciousness, that’s what a bunch of my parenthetical comments are, but MAN. XDD
on 23 May 2007 at 1:11 pm 615. Ace of Diamonds
Jeff, I think that King Mickey got his golden Keyblade when he was in the Realm of Darkness when we saw him at the end of Kingdom Hearts. I just wanna know that in the Secret Ending, his Keyblade is Silver with a Blue Handle. Now, I suppose since his Gold Keyblade is from the Realm of Darkness, the Blue Keyblade is from the Realm of Light. I still wanna know how Riku & Mickey got to wear the Organization coats….oh wait didn’t they say they were infiltrating the Organization stronghold? The land where the Keyblades are, or World of Keyblades, all have no Keychains. The Keyblades set up the Crossroads of Light, Darkness, Twilight, & Dawn, but at the same time, the way they’re set up resembles that of a graveyard. When Riku had his Dark Keyblade in Kingdom Hearts, I don’t remember his having a Keychain. I don’t get the big deal about Keyblades having Keychains. Do they unlock a Keyblade’s Ultimate Power or something, and Keyblades with no Keychains are succeptibly weaker that those with Keychains?
on 23 May 2007 at 1:31 pm 616. Shakespeare
Riku’s Keyblade in KH2 didn’t have a Keychain, you are correct…but that Keyblade wasn’t modified from any other Keyblade. When you equip Decisive Pumpkin to your Keyblade, it ceases to be the Kingdom Key and becomes Decisive Pumpkin.
So a Keyblade without a Keychain would logically be weaker than a Keyblade that had a Keychain, but what if your chainless Keyblade was Fenrir? Your Keyblade would have a base stat of Str - 7 and Mag - 1. So a Keyblade without a Keychain is logically weaker than a Keyblade WITH a Keychain, but if your chainless Keyblade’s stats are that high to begin with, it would be very difficult for someone else to obtain a Keychain that could match your Keyblade’s raw power.
I think that this is the explaination for why the Chasers have no Keychains on their Keyblades. Their weapons are just so powerful on their own, they don’t need them. (And if they needed a stronger Keyblade, all they would have to do would be to either go to the Crossroads and find a stronger weapon, or find a Keychain and let their weapon soak up the bonuses. Just imagine equipping Ultima Weapon to Fenrir. Kingdom Key’s base stats are 1 and 1, and when you equip Ultima Weapon, they jump to 6 and 4. Add that to Fenrir’s stats, and you have an impressive weapon.)
on 23 May 2007 at 9:53 pm 617. jeff
Ace of Diamonds,how could the keyblade with the blue handle be from the realm of light cause they say sora takes the path of light and the gold keyblade and the one with the blue handle and soras are each similar wouldnt soras keyblade be from the realm of light?
on 23 May 2007 at 10:12 pm 618. Ace of Diamonds
Oh, you could be right, that was only my theory, I’m not even sure I think it’s true. I just assumed that since the Blue & Silver Keyblade had Mickey’s Chain, on it, it’d somehow be his. Nomura did say Mickey can weild Keyblades from the realms of Light & Darkness. That’s another reason why the Secret Ending in KH2 was in the future. King Mickey wasn’t even “King” Mickey yet, so a Keyblade with a Mickey Mouse Logo Keychain shouldn’t exist. Sorry to sound like a broker record guys.
Shakespeare, if The Chasers Keyblades were already powerful without Keychains, then how could The Old Man beat them down the way he did? I mean if their Keyblades were powerful without Keychains, surely they could’ve done more damage. The Old Man, I believe, is the only one in the secret ending with a Keychain on his Keyblade. If you pause it at the right time in the video, you could see a Keychain very similar to the chain on Sora’s Keyblade. I didn’t get a good look at the dark soldier’s Keyblade to make an assumption about that.
on 23 May 2007 at 10:35 pm 619. jeff
hey maybe king mickey can weild soras keyblade also cause you know sora could weild many other keyblades also but anyways i looked up twilight in the dictionary and it says the faint light of the sun after sunset and before sunrise it said the faint light of the sun and looked up faint and it said to become feeble to become senseless and motionless to swoon to lose spirit to vanish you know maybe it has something to do with twilight town when it almost vanished.So maybe twilight isnt a path just dawn twilight and dawn are sorta connected so maybe its just dawn.maybe soras blade is the light realm mickeys gold one is darkness and maybe the blue handle one is dawn or something.
on 23 May 2007 at 11:00 pm 620. Mohrphorm
I don’t think that the lack of a keychain is all that significant. Sora’s keyblade is the only one thus far that has shown the ability to change form, maybe the keychain just pertains to Sora only, whereas other keyblades have special abilities of their own.
on 23 May 2007 at 11:10 pm 621. Hearts of Darkness
Thank you, Shakespeare! Vennos was been a real moron.
on 23 May 2007 at 11:32 pm 622. jeff
maybe birth by sleep has something to do with terra since after it says his name is terra it says not yet awakened he is connected to those two and they say when xigbar was a disciple to ansem he witnessed those 3 knights so maybe the organization was around during the keyblade war it says that about xigbar in the interview above the comments section the question was we would like to inquire about the new secret ending”birth by sleep”in the new event the truth about the chamber of sleep he mentions a group of armored people that hold keyblades?so if terra is related to riku then when riku was born terra was in the chamber of sleep probably asleep obviously but if xigbar witnessed ven and aqua then he mustve witnessed terra so maybe later on terra woke up somehow a few years in the future and his hair was grey cause he had aged like when sora was asleep between games or something like that and the first names that i guess came to mind were ansem and xehanort or something cause i still think that xehanort can still unknowingly be terra cause you know their eyecolor each had changed and i guess he thought riku would be a great host or something probly from relation or something you know from the riku and sora fight in kh1.
on 24 May 2007 at 12:47 am 623. Shakespeare
I’m still doing analysis on the two videos (gathering screenshots of the new Keyblades), and the second video really isn’t all that dark until the Old Man summons the clouds and darkens the field. (Sephiroth does the same thing in Advent Children…must be a special power granted upon gaining ‘Villain’ status.)
on 24 May 2007 at 1:07 am 624. Shakespeare
Ace; perhaps the Old Man also had a powerful Keyblade, but went out of his way to get a powerful Keychain as well, knowing that the Chasers didn’t use keychains? If I was gonna fight them, I’d want whatever edge I could get…and if Xehanort is the Dark Knight and was also a Chaser, then it would be very easy to get information on what sort of specifications each of the Chasers’ Keyblades had (as well as the fact that they didn’t fight with Keychains). Maybe equipping a Keychain adds some sort of unknown bonuses to your Keyblade? It’s not possible in KH to fight without one, so we can’t know for sure.
Jeff; Twilight is describing a condition of light. The term that KH’s definition of Twilight best matches would be ‘Dusk’, which isn’t used because that’s the name of a class of Nobody. And Xigbar would have still been Braig when the Keyblade War happened…Xehanort hadn’t even been taken in by Ansem the Wise yet, and therefore, they hadn’t started their research on the Darkness of the Heart. And Terra can’t be Xehanort because Terra is Terra and Xehanort is Xehanort.
Morphorm; We’ve only ever seen Sora’s Keyblade change form because he’s the only (continuously) playable character who one, carries a Keyblade, and two, has multiple Keychains in his possession. (Also, it might be some trademark of the Chasers to not use Keychains…it’s a possible reason why none of them have Keychains. Or maybe none of the Keyblades in that realm have Keychains…all their corresponding Keychains might be scattered out among the worlds.)
on 24 May 2007 at 7:06 pm 625. Ace of Diamonds
You know, since we’re on the subject of Keyblades and Keychains. How do Keyblades get their Keychains? There’s gotta be more to the issue then just sticking a chain on a blade, and it being a fashion acessory. There’s something about the Keyblade story that I don’t get. I understand that “The Keybalde hold phenomenal powers”, we all know that just by playing the game. “One Legend says its weilder saved the world, while another says he wrought chaoa & ruin upon it”. If I interpret this right, does it mean the same Keyblade weilder, and different people people experienced him? Besides, we don’t even know who the very FIRST Keyblade Weilder. After all, the legend could be talking about him. “I must know what this Keyblade is” “A Key opens doors.” If I recall correctly by theories, Terra came from the path of Dawn, Aqua came from the path of Light, Ven came from the path of Twilight, and Xehanort resides in the path of Darkness. If Xehanort is the Keyblade Weilder of Darkness, then why deos he wanna know what the Keyblade is? If he’s already in possession of one, then what furhter information does he need? Unless Xehanort is powerful on his own, and fights without a Keyblade, but then maybe Xehanort isn’t in the Secret Ending after all. Just my thoery.
on 24 May 2007 at 8:30 pm 626. Mohrphorm
Remember, he wrote about the Keyblade while his memories were gone, under the guise of Ansem. Its possible he once had one, but he just wouldn’t remember it, yet he would be intruiged by its concept.
My theory about keychains is that its the Keyblade’s way of evolving, adapting to its surroundings and stuff.
on 24 May 2007 at 9:57 pm 627. jeff
I said maybe it could be him i didnt say for sure but saying xehanort is xehanort and terra is terra doesnt really tell much that its true its possible youre right and if he supposedly wouldve still been braig or whatever how come in one of the interviews he said yes,Xigbar witnessed them when he was a disciple to ansem so if he was still supposedly braig and just happened to lose his heart and become a nobody he probably still had the same name.Thats coming from the theory xehanort means no heart and if the bald guy is xehanort then howd he get a keyblade people should at least have a heart to weild one and hwos to say that terra wasnt in the chamber of sleep when riku was born and the final mix is the one between kh1 and 2 it says not yet awakened so maybe he really was awkened by someone and that it wasnt aquas armor in the chamber of sleep or maybe it was and terra or and his armor or only armor was in a different room or something and if xehanort hadnt even became a disciple to ansem yet hwos to say he wasnt in between games one and two because he was in kh2 and somehow hed lost his memory and things like that.
on 24 May 2007 at 10:21 pm 628. jeff
and maybe the first name that came to mind was ansem or xehanort cause first he said he was ansem then he said he was xehanort or something cause ansems pretty old he probably knew ansem already and so he eventually took him in as a disciple cause it said master xehanorts avenger his name is terra not yet awakened he is connected to those two but anyways if he thought he was ansem then xehanort whered he get the name xehanort if he lost his memory unless its slowly coming back and xehanort was just an evil person from back in the day or something like that and what probly happened to the keyblades and or just keychains i think they were scattered around worlds and that mickey was there looking for the golden key for some reason and its the realm of darkness and i hear it looked like in the background when riku and mickey were going to the realm of darkness it looked like the deserty plane in the ending and was somehow in the past and present like he said and things like that im still thinking of full theory cause im not entirely sure.
on 24 May 2007 at 11:15 pm 629. Shakespeare
Ace; Well, since multiple people can use Keyblades, it would be possible for there to be wielders who save worlds AND wielders who bring chaos…perhaps the chaos in question is the appearance of the Heartless themselves? (And even though Xehanort doesn’t remember having a Keyblade, Ansem uses a double bladed halberd of some sort, and Xemnas uses laser weapons that manifest on his command. He doesn’t need a Keyblade to fight.)
Jeff; Xigbar wouldn’t have been a Nobody while he was a disciple to Ansem the Wise. They lost their hearts after Xehanort banished Ansem the Wise into the darkness. And it was definitely Aqua’s armor in the Room of Sleep. I pointed out various locations on the armor and provided a picture of the 3 knights to prove this fact.
Xehanort was a disciple to Ansem the Wise before the game started, but after Braig witnessed the battle. And from what we can tell, Xehanort was always his name (it’s the name that Terra uses when talking about him, anyway). He didn’t take the name Ansem because he forgot, but rather to represent his position in the research. It’s like when an apprentice would take his master’s name when he was no longer an apprentice; it shows respect for his teacher, as well as declares where he learned everything he knows. (And you’ll remember that in KH2, Xemnas talks at length to Ansem the Wise about ’surpassing his teacher’ and how Ansem is responsible for the creation of the Heartless and the Nobodies.)
I think it’s very likely that the Keychains exist only in the worlds. None of the Keyblades in the Crossroads had Keychains (and I saw at least two Keyblades that Sora uses: Fenrir and Wishing Lamp), and Sora seems to obtain Keychains fairly easily throughout his travels (You get three in Olympus alone!), so it seems to follow that the Blade and Chain exist separately, but are meant to be a whole.
on 25 May 2007 at 6:21 am 630. jeff
your probably right and though i said it may be terras armor instead i said it is probably aquas which is likely correct and i said if it wasnt maybe terra couldve been in some other room or just his armor at least i was just wondering about what not yet awakened wouldve meant in the last phrase of the interview and if he was braig when he witnessed them then why didnt he say braig instead he said xigbar did in the interview but he was probly referring to braig but howd aqua and possibly ven and terra get in the chamber of sleep at the time though?
on 25 May 2007 at 1:29 pm 631. Shakespeare
Yeah, I wish I kept better track of all my posts on here…then I could give you the links and my arguments and everything. I know that the video in question is titled ‘An Old Friend’ and can be found on KH-Vids…the picture is in my name. Anyway, the important things here are the details on the legs of the armor (since Terra and Ven don’t have the narrow patterns on their greaves) and the knee joints (Ven’s and Terra’s are way spikier). You can also see the crest on the chest of the armor; though it is similar to Terra’s, it doesn’t slope down as much. (Besides, the other details should be enough to confirm that it is Aqua’s armor.)
Now, if they all wore the same armor, then this would be hopeless. It’d be like trying to identify which member of the Organization wore a cloak now laying on the floor. lol
on 25 May 2007 at 1:33 pm 632. Shakespeare
And yeah, he said ‘Xigbar’ because he was discussing the fact tht Xigbar talked about it. And as for how the armor got in there…Braig might have provided information as to where the armor could be found…and no one said that the original experiments on Xehanort were failiures; he might have regained some of his memories…or he might have been operating on what Braig/Xigbar told him. Even though Braig/Xigbar is the type who wouldn’t tell someone something just to watch them squirm, he’s not a liar.
on 25 May 2007 at 5:34 pm 633. Ace of Diamonds
Ansem the Wise did mention in his reports that Xehanort wanted to be a test subject for Darkness of the heart to gain his memories back. You do have a point, we never do know how Xehanort regained his memories back. Shakespeare, you were right. In the Ansem Reports #4 from Kingdom Hearts 2, he mentioned something about being banished to the “realm of nothingness”. He also mentioned a beautiful paradise, did he mean Destiny Islands? Xehanort was banished his body to Darkness and became Ansem. The Body and Soul left behind became a nobody, Xemnas. When Ansem was destroyed, his heart returned to Xehanort’s body, and Xehanort became whole again. His soul returned to his body and Xehanort was Xehanort. The reports Xehanort wrote when he was Ansem stated the Door he opened in the basement of Hollow Bastion. Kingdom Hearts 2 mentioned the D.T.D. The Door to Darkness. The Door he opened broke the barrier between worlds.
on 26 May 2007 at 9:06 am 634. zakass
if namine is kairas nobody why did kaira never get turned into a heartless
on 26 May 2007 at 9:14 am 635. Riku
She did. That was when she passed through Sora near the start of the first Kingdom Hearts, passing her heart on to him. Being a Princess of Heart, her heart and body were of pure Light, so she kept her physical human form and stayed unconcious instead of becoming a Dark Heartless.
on 26 May 2007 at 4:25 pm 636. Hearts of Darkness
I just relieved something important! the whole time when you play in hollow bastion in kh2, Aqua is still trapped in the bottom of the basement! I’m surprised no one thought, “Hey, maybe we should take a part the basement.” WTF is wrong with that picture????
on 27 May 2007 at 1:14 am 637. Shakespeare
Well, Kairi didn’t really have a Heartless, since her heart was inside of Sora’s. The whole situation surrounding her is difficult to understand, since neither her Heart nor her body disappeared into Darkness, and yet she has a Nobody. Ansem the Wise even makes a remark about how unusual Naminé is because of this.
But yeah, the reason that Kairi doesn’t have a Heartless is because she’s a Princess of Heart. Heartless are formed from the darkness that exists in all hearts, but since the Princesses have no darkness, they cannot become Heartless.
on 27 May 2007 at 6:13 pm 638. Researcher of all things Xehanort
This whole thing is way too confusing for many people. Here’s my theory:
Aqua obviously has be the element of Water in the naming case which matches he with Kairi(Sea).Terra has obviously got to be Earth, and here is where people get confused because Riku is Land. Riku lost his heart and went into the Darkness. I believe that Terra is actually Xehanort before the whole “apprentice of Ansem the Wise” deal. All thats left now is Sora(Sky) and Ven with the only element left; Wind.
In the first kingdom Hearts 2 Secret Ending, Sunset Horizons, it first talks about the legend of the Keyblade Master.(Did it ever occur to anyone that the Keyblade Master may just be Xehanort?)This part of the Ansem Report comes from the Reports written in the FIRST Kingdom Hearts, the ones written by Xehanort. It states that the Keyblade Master was said to have saved the world while another legend states to say that HE wrought chaos and ruin upon it(Remember this). Next, it says that he must know what a Keyblade is, meaning that he must have forgotten completely(Memory of Xehanort) about what happened in the Birth by Sleep Ending(Keyblade War). The Lost Two are Ven and Aqua while they are in the Room of Sleep(Aqua) and the Room of Awakening(Ven). The Chasers must be everyone who is after turning everything into Darkness by using Kindom Hearts.
In the Second Secret ending, Birth by Sleep, a lot more is revealed about this. A sealed tale of truth - This probobly means the Legend of the Keyblade Master. The bald man is wearing exactly what Xehanort’s Heartless wears in Kingdom Hearts. I think it is kind of like how Riku chose the form of who he thought was the most dark(Xehanort) and Xehanort took the form of who he thought was more dark(bald man). Then, a figure phases out of the bald man and is wearing what Riku wore under the control of Xehanort’s Heartles in the first KH. I think this symbolizes the realtionship between “puppet” and “master” in the cases of BM to counterpart and Xehanort’s Heartless to Riku. Everyone in this video weilds a Keyblade because I think Tetsua Nomura doesn’t want us to know who the Legend of the Keblade Master is about yet or who really is Xehanort. The relations at the top between the original characters and the ones introduced in this Secret Ending, are supported even more by the physical characteristics of these characters. Aqua looks like Kairi with blue hair and Ven looks a lot like Roxas who also looks like Sora. VEN DOESN”T DIE! His eyes are still moving when Aqua comes to his rescue. When the BM summons KH, this supports my beliefs about his relationship with Xehanort’s Heartless. The fate of all occurs not by chance - This probably means that I’m right about Terra being Xehanort. When Terra takes his helmet off, if you pay attention and if you have a good mental picture of Xehanort, he has the same fcial structure and hair style as Xehanort and when he looks at KH, his eyes turn gold like Xehanort’s. The fate of all is inevitable - meaning that KH is going to be summoned over and over and over again until Nomura and Squenix get tired of it. Each of their fates pass through and gather together - meaning that the relations between the original characters and new characters is not hard to figure out “who goes with who”. A new story awaits the awakening - what is the first thing Sora does in Destiny Islands in the first KH? Mickey weilding the Star Seeker and wearing black clothes. When you go to Yen Sid’s home in KH2, Donald and Goofy tell Sora that Yen Sid was Mickey’s teacher. You learn some things from Yen Sid and then he tells Sora to talk to the Fairies. When you do, they turn Sora’s clothes black an when they teach you Valor Form, Sora is weilding the Kingdom Key and the Star Seeker, no doubt that they had done the same with Mickey in the past.
These are my thoughts on all that the internet has taught me about the next chapter, which would actually be the first chapter, in the Kingdom Hearts saga.
on 27 May 2007 at 9:36 pm 639. Ace of Diamonds
That theory seems pretty logical to me. I just wanna ask a few questions, and state my own theories. When you said Xehanort was They Keyblade Master, do you think that he made the very first Keyblade? Because we know that they were Keyblade Weilders before Sora, but we don’t know who the first Keyblade Weilder was, it may not have been Xehanort in the first place. I think there is a connection to Terra(Land) to Riku(Earth), Sora(Sky) to Ven(Wind), and Aqua(Water), to Kairi(Sea). It seems pretty uninformative, but there’s gotta be a reason as to why they mentioned Natural Elements to us. I don’t mean to sound like an ass, but I think we already know that Ven doesn’t die, and that Terra has a striking resemblance to Xehanort. What strikes me as odd is that we never saw The Dark Soldier when the Secret Ending was over. All he did was be The Old Man’s Bodyguard. I figure that if Xehanort was The Dark Soldier, there’d be a little more emphasis on him. If you go to KH-vids.net, there’s a video of Xehanort’s appearance in KH2 when Ansem the Wise was talking to Mickey. If you look close enough, Xehanort’s eyes seem to have a red color, and the shade of Yellow/Orange that Ansem & Xemnas had.
on 27 May 2007 at 10:35 pm 640. jeff
yeah but if terra and xehanort are the same person how could terra be an all new character like nomura said and howd terra take the name xehanort im not saying your theories are wrong i believe it im just wondering how it is exactly and if xehanort takes form of hwos darker than whyd he take the form of riku in the first game.
on 28 May 2007 at 2:36 am 641. Exdeath64
Hey was the thing next to the old man in the video a heartless?
on 28 May 2007 at 3:36 am 642. Ace of Diamonds
It looked like a Heartless, but I don’t think it was. The Dark Soldier, as people call him/her, doesn’t bear the Heartless Emblem on his chest. If you pause the vidoe at the right time, the so-called Heartless emblem was just a design for part of his/her costume. I don’t think Heartless even came to the mind of people then if this video took place in the past.
on 28 May 2007 at 6:33 am 643. Exdeath64
well if it is not a heartless, one must wonder what it is, but i guess only Nomura knows that…
on 28 May 2007 at 5:52 pm 644. jeff
when zexion was talking to xigbar he said in the room of sleep he heard xemnas talking with someone i wonder hwo he was talking to.
on 28 May 2007 at 8:55 pm 645. Ace of Diamonds
Since Aqua’s armor was in there, I would assume he was talking to her, but you never know. Maybe a new enemy, or adversary will dawn Aqua’s armor. After all, it was just lying there on the floor with the sword stuck in the ground. Xigbar also said, “With the Room of Sleep, comes the Room of Awakening.” That must be where Ven is. After all, remember when I mentioned Ansem the Wise found Xehanort without any mention of who he was with, what he was wearing, or any indication of his age? Somebody had to have built The Room of Sleep and Room of Awakening. We all don’t know the wherabouts of Terra after the Keyblade War. Ansem the Wise just found Xehanort. Terra, thinking hew as Xehanort, built the two rooms for his badly injured friends, Aqua & Ven. Or Terra wandered around Radiant Garden after, accoridng to Ansem the Wise’s reports, Xehanort supposedly banished Ansem the Wise using the power of Darkness. Xehanort claimed himself as King, while Terra was unaware of what really happened. You never know, Xehanort couldn’t have been the only one who lost his memories. He built the Room of Sleep and Room of Awakening for Aqua & Ven. At first it was good until Xehanort wanted to convert them to Darkness when they awoke, but Terra wasn’t gonna take it, and Xehanort used his Darkness to do away with him. But what I still don’t understand that Terra is avenging “Master” Xehanort, but told Sora he had a hatred for him.
on 28 May 2007 at 10:00 pm 646. jeff
maybe he does have a hatred for xehanort from his time and somehow when terra lost his memories he became a disciple and somehow(unknown) got the name xehanort or ansem or something cause maybe terra has something also to do with the room of sleep and when he was asleep in the pods or something the memories got mixed up or something and that terra is the avenger of xehanort cause maybe its supposed to be a hint like he just avenges for him as said in the definition of one of my other comments on here the definition of avenge and avenger and such you see the bald man xehanort/terra was probably trying to avenge kingdom hearts in someway with the keyblade and so xehanort/terra is a chaser and maybe the dark armored figure really was just a heartless just in armor and without hair cause the heartless took over riku in the future/past from bald guys point of view or something as a similar type look of that heartless but im wondering how his heartless could hold a keyblade and it says not yet awakened so maybe terra/xehanort wasnt awakened till between kh1 and 2 so maybe when it says not yet awakened meant that.Somehow maybe terra went further in time somehow and got knocked so hard that he forgot some things unless the battle with sora was after terra was awakened and from the secret ending sora got the letter to get a call for help in the keyblade war after it was avenged once again by xehanort/terra and hwo xemnas was talking to was aqua somehow and ven was with terra or something at castle oblivion and the new quarters went to castle oblivion for some reason and that they were awakened just as roxas was born there or something and they got roxas as another member and maybe only terra was at the castle and ven also was in the room of sleep or something like that.Any thoughts or questions on that theory.
on 29 May 2007 at 3:42 am 647. Shakespeare
There’s nothing to suggest that Terra was ever in Radiant Garden; you access the fight against him via the Hall of the Cornerstone.
Since the characters in the video are all new, Terra can’t be Xehanort. They might have similar abilities (and if Terra follows the path of Twilight, then it makes sense that, if he were to tap into Darkness, his eyes might turn golden), but they’re not the same.
We simply called the Dark Knight’s outfit ‘Heartless Armor’ because it closely resembles Riku’s armor in KH1. I know that whenever I use the term, I am not suggesting that the Dark Knight is a Heartless.
on 29 May 2007 at 4:21 am 648. Exdeath64
could be anything, could be a heartless, hey it could be Jimmy Hoffa! i always wondered if he went to darkness…
on 29 May 2007 at 9:42 pm 649. kh3 king
i think that ven is roxas because if you see the video the old man greeze him.
also you can see the color of his eyes and hair and its the same as roxas
on 29 May 2007 at 9:49 pm 650. kh3 king
sorry this is the correction an more complete my complete commenti think that ven is roxas because if you see the video the old man freeze him.
also you can see the color of his eyes and hair and its the same as roxas.
also i think that what happens to terra eyes its the same first step that happened when riku body transformed into the one of the false xehanort
on 29 May 2007 at 9:55 pm 651. kh3 king
in kh2 final, sora and riku go to the realm of darkness so then roxas(that is sora nobody)became free again and terra is riku nobody well at least i think it could be a good idea
on 29 May 2007 at 10:22 pm 652. Ace of Diamonds
I don’t even think Riku has a nobody because he had no corresponding Heartless. The only exception to this rule is Kairi. Because her heart was pure light, she never became a Heartless, but had a nobody in Namine. Riku’s Heart gave into Darkness so easily. His heart was overcome by Darkness, but Riku never had a Heartless, and in turn never had a nobody. Sora turned into a Shadow Heartless in Kingdom Hearts 1, and when he went back to his normal self, the empty soul left behind became a nobody, Roxas. I hope that answers your question.
on 29 May 2007 at 11:34 pm 653. jeff
i thought rikus nobody is part of organization 13(not roxas)and i dont remember his name very well though i havent played kh2 for a while my ps2 hasnt been working very well all i remember is that i saw him in radiant garden and the world that never was and it may just be that for some reason terra and xehanort just look the same and memories got all mixed up or something im not really sure about this i may need to do a lot more thought on this before i comment another theory.
on 29 May 2007 at 11:40 pm 654. Bob
this ven guy looks alot like Roxas
on 30 May 2007 at 12:50 am 655. Ven
Guys Im back but got go perents want go on But I got computher fixed so yh =]
on 30 May 2007 at 12:56 am 656. Ven
Hey just wanted say somthing be4 I leave rember In kingdom hearts 2 opening at end where says “he looks like a lot like you” maybe guy was talking to was ven? and one thing maybe story is going be about Aqua? she looks most releving =] lol cant say a lot stuff damn perents
on 30 May 2007 at 2:04 pm 657. Shakespeare
Just because Ven and Roxas have the same colored eyes doesn’t mean anything. Let’s take a tally off the top of my head of all the blue-eyed Kingdom Hearts characters:
Sora
Riku
Kairi
Zexion
Demyx (Also blonde)
Luxord (Also blonde)
Marluxia
Larxene (Also blonde)
Roxas (Also blonde)
Tidus (Also blonde)
Leon
Seifer (Also blonde)
Cloud (Also blonde)
Sephiroth
Cid (Also blonde)
Aqua
Yuna (only one blue eye)
A vast number of Kingdom Hearts characters have blue eyes, and a large number have both blonde hair AND blue eyes. It really doesn’t prove anything.
Besides; Nomura has said that Ven isn’t one of the existing characters. Ven is Ven, and Roxas is Roxas.
on 30 May 2007 at 7:03 pm 658. Ven
Yh shakespear is rite and another thing is we donno Ven hair style it could be long like qoku lol =]
on 30 May 2007 at 7:06 pm 659. Ven
Know whats werid In kingdom hearts 2 secret ending they pick sora Kairi riku keyblade then In kingdom hearts 2 final mix there keyblades change? werid eh
on 31 May 2007 at 12:11 am 660. Unknown
Actually their both secret endings have the same keyblades
Kairi’s keyblade was never there, and it alsways had been Mickey’s, Riku’s, and Sora’s
on 31 May 2007 at 12:13 am 661. Unknown
Oh and Kairi actually has violet eyes, if you look close enough. It has a more amethyst bluish color, than actual blue.
on 31 May 2007 at 1:00 am 662. tom
I noticed someone else mentioned that he asks the second time “Will you allow me to engrave that into your heart?”
Also they mentioned that a chaser is someone who engraves metal.
I felt that I needed to add that a keyblade is metal,and that the keyblade is made from your heart which means that if he engraves something into his heart,his heart is his keyblade basically,therefor it is metal,therefor he is is threatening to engrave it into his heart/keyblade/a piece of metal
Just had to add that I know I went into a lot of detail but people will more than likely read the first couple lines and get confused
on 31 May 2007 at 5:12 am 663. UserShadow7989
Maybe the the shape and abilities of a Keyblade are determined by one’s past experiences and personallity? For example, the Kingdom Key is like a basic model, nothing special about it, and the other forms (Oathkeeper, Oblivion, etc.) are created based on specific events.
That may be the reason why the Orginization were researching memories in Castle Oblivon.
on 31 May 2007 at 6:52 am 664. Unknown
so…theke yblade can be passed on to another wielder or heir ryt?
If a wielder has fulfilled his duties, does that mean the keyblade will then choose another master?
Well I guess the keyblade will choose another as well, if the wielder gave his/her hearts to the darkness
Just like Riku to sora
I guess now we know that the kingdom key had had many masters from the past…or future don’t exactly know
but the wielders of the kingdom key we know are Terra passed on to Riku, then to Sora
But something else is bothering me…so are there unique keyblades for every person with a pure or strong heart? Well if the kingdom key had been passed on from many previous wielders, what makes sora’s key blade (the kingdom key) so special? Since Kairi has her own specially made, Riku has his own, but sora’s doesn’t exactly belong to him. Or maybe there are keyblades that doesn’t come from a person’s heart. Don’t exactly know so maybe you guys can fill me in on this.
on 31 May 2007 at 2:27 pm 665. Shakespeare
Unknown; I would say that, in the picture in my name, Kairi has blue eyes.
And about the Keyblade…perhaps it’s an honorary thing, to receive a past master’s Keyblade. Or…perhaps it /was/ meant for Sora all along. After all, despite the fact that Riku was supposed to have the Keyblade, Sora was still capable of using it. The Knights/Chasers don’t know what destiny holds…and Ven /did/ have Way To The Dawn in the trailer…
Remember that Riku was able to hold Sora’s Keyblade and not have it disappear and return to Sora immediately. Riku was also able to hold Kairi’s Keyblade, and Sora was able to hold Way To The Dawn. (Not to mention that the Knights were able to hold Keyblades that weren’t their own.) Anyone who is a Keyblade wielder can hold another’s Keyblade, but Sora’s returned to him in the end because his heart was stronger, while Riku received another later.
I’m afraid I’m rambling.
Tom; Yeah, the fact that he specifically mentioned this is interesting, as I’ve said in the past…but what we can gather from it doesn’t seem to be a lot.
…and as an aside, the next post will be post 666…O,o
on 31 May 2007 at 2:28 pm 666. Shakespeare
Dangit. >.
on 31 May 2007 at 7:56 pm 667. Zach
Ven (User.. not Ven…) said that in the beginning, Xemnas said to Roxas “He looks alot like you”, which I think is a really good point, they do look extremely similar (from what you CAN see)and maybe thats why Nomura didnt show him as clearly as Terra and Aqua, because he wanted us to notice that they looked somewhat the same. In the “The Truth about the Chamber of Sleep”, the entire scene is set a little after Marluxia is recruited and obviously that sets it before Roxas is ~born~ (or whatever you want to call it)And so perhaps Xemnas indeed found Ven and is talking about Ven, not Sora, when he says to Roxas “He looks alot like you”. I always thought like many others, that he was talking about Sora because you fight him in Hollow Bastion in KH:FM, so he would know what Sora looked like.. Also, in Deep Dive, Xemnas says “He looks just like you.” to a character with GLOWING GOLDEN EYES, like Terra at the end of Birth by Sleep. And he says “He looks alot like you.” to who we know is Roxas (Who has Blue eyes). Terra goes from Blue eyes to gold/yellow eyes and if the person with glowing eyes that Xemnas talks to IS Roxas, it would make sense that Roxas and Terra have a connection seeing as Terra = Earth, Riku = Land (Connecting Terra and Riku), Sora got what was supposed to be Riku’s Keyblade, and Roxas is Sora’s Nobody. Now since we arent completely sure, either Roxas and Terra are closely related somehow and Roxas’ eyes go from blue to yellow/gold like Terra’s and its just a difference in the secret movie and KH2 or Xemnas is talking to 2 different people, Roxas and Terra.
on 31 May 2007 at 8:32 pm 668. kay kay
yawn
on 31 May 2007 at 8:33 pm 669. kay kay
what does roxas and namine mean in japanese? like sora means sky, kairi means water, and riku means land.
on 31 May 2007 at 8:34 pm 670. kay kay
it’s a rainbow!
on 31 May 2007 at 8:41 pm 671. kay kay
answer… please
on 31 May 2007 at 8:41 pm 672. kay kay
darn you ppl! lol jk
on 31 May 2007 at 10:09 pm 673. kay kay
this is so confusing….
on 31 May 2007 at 10:12 pm 674. Ace of Diamonds
Hold Up, Zach, how do we know Xemnas wasn’t talking about Sora? Xemnas said to Roxas, “I’ve been to see him.” Perhaps he means his encounter with Sora during Kingdom Hearts Final Mix. “He looks a lot like you” comparing Sora to Roxas. Besides, didn’t Nomura confirm that the golden-eyed unknown was Roxas? I’m not entirely sure.
Shakespeare, what about the cutscene in Kingdom Hearts in Hollow Bastion just before you fight Riku for the first time? The Keyblade immediately left Riku and went back to Sora. Sora’s heart has always been stronger than Riku’s. But when Sora first arrives at Hollow Bastion, Riku steals Sora’s Keyblade, and it doesn’t return to him. I don’t get it.
Aqua is alive. Xigbar pretty much said it himself. We saw the cutscene with Aqua’s armor, and according to Xigbar, Xemnas is supposed to be alone in the Chamber of Sleep, yet he’s found talking to somebody? Then, there’s The Room of Awakening where Ven must be, but Terra’s whereabouts were left unsaid.
on 31 May 2007 at 10:17 pm 675. Ace of Diamonds
Yet, one more thing strikes me as odd. The Pods in the Mansion Basement of Twilight Town have been used before in one time, or another. When you examine the pods, you get, “This pod looks like its been used before”, “This pod hasn’t been used in a while”, “This one looks like it can STILL be used.” The pods connect to Ansem the Wise. Ansem definitely knew more than he was carrying on about. He took the Mansion as his property to hide out from Organization XIII, and to safely hide Sora, Donald, & Goofy to retrieve their memories. Keep in mind that this was the Data Twilight Town because Roxas destroyed the computers, then met Sora. When Sora awoke, and Roxas disappeared, I guess Sora & The gang were automatically in the Real version of Twilight Town. Why was Riku with Ansem the Wise? More importantly, how did Riku & King Mickey even know Ansem the Wise to begin with?
on 31 May 2007 at 10:17 pm 676. kairi
what does the letter (in the end from kingdom hearts 2)say? please answer.
on 31 May 2007 at 10:19 pm 677. kairi
hey! i remember that part.
on 31 May 2007 at 10:21 pm 678. kairi
somebody say something!!!
on 31 May 2007 at 10:24 pm 679. Dinnomicx
hi
on 31 May 2007 at 11:06 pm 680. Unknown
Um…KayKay, the name Roxas is just a sacrambled name of Sora with an X in it. As for namine, heard of something about NOmura taking it form the word Nami meaning waves in japanese or something. So Kairi=Sea To nobody: Nami=wave + ne
on 31 May 2007 at 11:19 pm 681. Unknown
Okay guys I’ve just reviewed you guys’ theories of Xehanort and all I can say is that Xehanort is his reall name period! and Xehanort is Xehanort, and his heartless form is the real him. I mean Sora is his own heartless not that his heartless is a seperate entity form him. And the only reason why Xehanort’s nobody’s name is Xemnas is because as you all know, nobody’s take their original name and rearrange its letters and adding an X. And at the time Xehanort became a heartless he took the name of Ansem, and in doing so resulted in his nobody’s name being Xemnas. And how is Xehanort related to the element of fire, when all he had ever talked about was darkness?
on 31 May 2007 at 11:31 pm 682. Unknown
My goodness! The oldman has no possibility of being Xehanort. Although KH is a world of many possibilities, but lets face it! the oldman’s physical features, doesn’t come close to Xehanotr’s. And just because somebody’s wearing the same clothing as someone doesn’t mean its them! And he may just have affiliations with Xehanort in an organization kind of way or something. And another thing, the oldman simply can’t be a nobody since Xehanort wore the same clothes as him, and is he a nobody? if you guys think the oldman is a nobody, he might as well wear organization coats. And the heartless he made it may have the same concepts as Xehanorts heartless guardian from the first game. Since both the oldman and Xehanort wear the same clothing, they may have been a part of some group that practice a certain dark art, which allows them to utilize a very similar ability.
on 01 Jun 2007 at 1:46 am 683. Shakespeare
Kay kay; Roxas doesn’t mean anything in Japanese. Naminé is derived from the same ‘nami’ (wave) as in ‘tsunami’ (harbor wave).
Ace; remember that cutscene in Traverse Town, where Riku somehow manages to take the Keyblade from Sora without Sora noticing, and has to physically hand it back to him? When Sora’s heart wavered, Riku was able to take the Keyblade and break Sora down further. Likewise, when Riku’s heart wavered, Sora was able to reclaim the Keyblade.
And if Aqua is alive, where is she? The armor is empty and laying on the floor.
Riku went with Ansem the Wise after COM, didn’t he? Mickey lost track of Riku around then. Also, Mickey visited Ansem the Wise at Hollow Bastion before he was banished into the Darkness by Xehanort. Ansem the Wise considers Mickey to be a good friend.
Kairi; we don’t know.
Unknown; the possibility of Xehanort being tied to fire is a conjecture based on the fact that Aqua, Terra and Ven have names tied to elements.
I’d say that there is a possibility that the Old Man could be a very aged Xehanort; my grandma now doesn’t look like she did in photos of her in the 50’s, but that doesn’t mean they’re different people. Though I would argue that the Old Man does have physical features similar to Xehanort’s…
Likewise, not all Nobodies wear Organization cloaks, and not all who wear Organization cloaks are Nobodies. Though I agree with the theory that they may be part of the same group. As I said a while ago, Xehanort may have been brainwashed (a la Anakin Skywalker) into joining a group opposite of the one he formerly belonged to.
We must keep all possibilities open. Only those that we can prove wrong based on Nomura’s information (’Ven is Roxas lawl!’) should be considered absolutely out of the question.
on 01 Jun 2007 at 2:32 am 684. Exdeath64
interesting…
on 01 Jun 2007 at 4:19 am 685. Ace of Diamonds
Perhaps she took the armor off, or something. If it’s not Aqua, who else would Xemnas be talking to? Nobody from the Organization is allowed in there. It’s Xemnas’ private room. Xigbar managed to hear Xemnas talking to somebody when he was supposed to be the only person in the room at the time. That way Ven could be in The Chamber of Awakening, while Terra is in a portal to the past in Disney Castle. Which leads me to believe what happened to Terra, Aqua, & Ven afterwards? Ansem the Wise never mentioned of Xehanort was alone. If Aqua is in The Room of Sleep, and Ven is in The Room of Awakening, where could Terra be? How is it that Ansem & Xemnas’ eys are yellow/orange. In the cutscene where Xehanort appears before King Mickey & Ansem the Wise, Xehanort’s eyes seemed to take on a red color.
Shakespeare, since you seem to be the most logical, what’s your take on my theory of the pods in the basement of the mansion in Twilight Town? Ansem the Wise has to be involved, there’s more of a story behind him then meets the eye. Where did he get the costume he was wearing, why did it look like his heart was missing in the costume? Since the mansion was his hideout, I assume Ansem the Wise had to have done something with all those pods down there.
Someone answer me this. I’ve always wanted to know where does The Door in Destiny Islands lead to? I don’t think we ever saw inside that door.
on 01 Jun 2007 at 4:52 am 686. Exdeath64
the door leads to darkness. that is why you hear ansem at the start of the game.
on 01 Jun 2007 at 6:49 am 687. Unknown
Um…but shakespear, didn’t Nomura sed that all the characters in the video are “new” characters that haven’t been seen in the previous games? And there is a big difference as to how Xehanort can not be an old man. For one, Xehanort has dark tanned skin, and not even time can change something like that. Although I know great changes occur in a person’s physical appearnce through time, but this is quite drastic. And although great changes do occur, Xehanort’s face looks nothing like the old man’s and even if he did grow old. people can still be recognizable as how they looked like in the past. What I’m saying is that the old man’s facial structure does not match Xehanort’s and is totally different. Although I in favor with you on open possibilities, we still gotta look at the facts and be realistic.
And if the old man was a nobody instead of a heartless, the concept of him havinga heartless guardian like Xehanort or “Ansem” in the first game, is messed up. I mean it would make things seem more complicated. And if he was a nobody…um why would he wear the exact clothing of a heartless; refering to Xehanort/Ansem
But Xehanort being tide to fire, I gotta say may be true..but even if he did had affiliations with the group, can’t always mean he is a part of that circle (of elements) But it could be true only in the way that the greeks once viewd the world as being made up of four elements. “Fire, earth, wind, and water” Although I gotta say thunder is part of fire but it shoudl be there somewhere as well. What still ponders in my mind is that if the 3 knights connections with Riku sora and Kairi, are having to do with the same concept as the “elements” of having to do with “earth, water, and air” then where was the fire in Sora’s Kairi’s and Riku’s circle? But what I kinda believe is that in the past Xehanort once wielded the power of light. Remember how “Ansem the wise” once sed how Xehanort was able to open doors (world doors, as written in Ansem’s reports), and how he was able to open them with out the keyblade…well I think that he was once the former wielder of the keyblade that Sora wields now. I mean like how the old man was able to summon or even open kingdom hearts without using his keyblade. Maybe it’s within that concept. But now, although Xehanort became darkness, he still has the ability to open doors without the keyblade. Thats how he was able to open the door to darkness, and cause his fellow classmates (apprentices of Ansem the wise)to turn into heartless, as well as himself, thus forming the organization XIII. Maybe this so called KH3, will tell us the story of Xehanort and the true origins of the keyblade, and how things came to be as they are. Well thats my theory ^_^ sorry if its too long. I just had to pour out all the knowledge I know to the “world” and let it out of my chest
on 01 Jun 2007 at 10:05 am 688. Ace of Diamonds
Well, technically The Old Man did open Kingdom Hearts with his Keyblade. Although he didn’t use his actual Keyblade, his Keyblade changed into this orb of energy that opened Kingdom Hearts. But hold up, if everyone in the secret ending is a new character, none of them can be Xehanort. We already know who he is, we’ve seen him personally in the game. If the characters in the secret ending are new characters that haven’t appeared yet, then Xehanort would be immediately knocked out of that category. I don’t think Xehanort has any ties to fire, I think his affiliation is Darkness, plain & simple. The Door that he opened, and the huge mass of energy must’ve been the energy that held the barriers of all the worlds together. Which makes me wonder, in Kingdom Hearts 1 towards the end, Ansem revealed Kingdom Hearts in the Dark Realm. Behind the door, there was a Dark Cloud resembling that of a heart, and how did Xemnas get control of his own Kingdom Hearts?
on 01 Jun 2007 at 10:06 pm 689. Unknown
Well Xemnas was able to claim his own kingdom hearts by creating one out of the hearts that sora had released form heartlesses. With the help of the organization they were able to secretly plan and execute this mission with out Sora and the gang knowing, until… you know whats next:) But yeah, as for Xehanort, well he may have opened kingdom hearts the same way the oldman in the secret ending did. Using the “dark orb” instead of a “physical” keyblade, that may explain how he was able to open door with out the keyblade.
on 02 Jun 2007 at 1:37 am 690. Shakespeare
Ace; Xigbar didn’t say he heard another voice in the room, he said he heard Xemnas talk to someone. Perhaps Xemnas was talking to himself…? Also worth noting is that Ansem the Wise has the same eye color.
Also, Ansem the Wise said that he used the power of Darkness to disguise himself, so he wouldn’t be identifiable. Hence why, beneath the bandages, his skin is darker than his actual skin tone.
I’m not sure about the pods…it’s been said that the room in the basement doesn’t lead to Castle Oblivion…perhaps Ansem the Wise was attempting to replicate the technology? Maybe he just grabbed a bunch and ran?
Yes, Xehanort’s affiliation is with Darkness, but since Aqua, Terra and Ven have elemental names, the possible tie to fire for Xehanort involves naming only. (At least that’s all it meant whe I suggested it.)
I believe that Xemnas’s Kingdom Hearts is an artificial one that he somehow was able to bind together, using it to draw more hearts to it like some sort of gravitational force; the more hearts in it, the more hearts it drew. I suppose it might be like the Lifestream; every planet has a Lifestream, but Sephiroth (in Advent Children) was able to take over a sizeable portion of it, and was using Geostigma to gather even more of the original Lifestream in an effort to take it over completely. Xemnas’s Kingdom Hearts might behave in a way similar to Sephiroth’s Anti-Stream.
Unknown; Don’t worry, I know the feeling. Sometimes, you just gotta get it all out there. lol
Anyway. I believe Nomura said that regarding the first trailer, but that certainly doesn’t apply to the second. After all, we see Mickey in the second trailer, and he’s not a new character. And if you look at Xehanort, his skin isn’t really very dark. Ansem has dark skin because he’s a Heartless, but I’d say that the Old Man and Xehanort’s skin tones are similar. Also, I wouldn’t say that the Old Man’s facial structure is too different from Xehanort’s to rule out the possibility of it being him…but we only have two images of Xehanort himself in the entire game (the portrait and the one time we see him in the flashback). The only images of equal quality that we can compare to are the very VERY fast clips of Ansem in the opening sequence, and I’ve included a link in my name. I don’t think the differences are enough to rule out that they might be the same person, if not simply related.
I don’t think the Old Man is a Nobody OR a Heartless. He uses a Keyblade, so it seems counterintuitive for him to have a Keyblade…and who knows if Nobodies can age? Unless he became a Nobody at an advanced age…
And with the elements, you’re absolutely right. (There was also the fifth element which made us human; the source of the word ‘quintessence’.) In East Asia, however, the elements are Water, Fire, Wood, Metal and Earth. There was no fire in Sora’s group for a few reasons. One, there is an actual word in my Kanji dictionary meaning ‘Earth, Sea and Sky’, and two, ‘Xehanort’ rearranges to ‘Another’, indicating that he’s somewhat out of place. Sora’s cadre doesn’t have ‘another’.
It certainly seems apparent that Xehanort once was a Keyblade wielder, and Terra certainly implies that Xehanort used Sora’s Key…or perhaps simply /A/ key, and Xehanort was the only one who was given a Key in recent memory.
on 02 Jun 2007 at 7:31 am 691. Unknown
Oh shakespear it all make sense now.
I remembered that Xehnaort doesn’t have very dark skin tone like his nobody and heratless (refering to the portrait and the flashback). Well its just that I keep thinking that Xemnas and “Ansem” having dark skin tones makes me think that Xehanort did looked like that. But as you had sed how “ansem the wise” (Diz) had darker skin tone beneathe his bandages, was because he used the power of darkness. Now “ansem” being a heartless and Xehanort being a nobody (part darkness) may come into that same concept. But as to what I had thought, about the old man not being Xehanort was that, didn’t the secret ending happened in the past? So thats a portion of why I’m skeptical about the oldman being Xehanort. And a funny opinion I have is that if Xehanort did start to bald, I think he would have still kept the long hair (just bald on top) lol ^_^
on 02 Jun 2007 at 7:34 am 692. Unknown
Hey you guys, check out what I found while I was researching wikipedia. Its about the keyblade wars!!!
Oh and this isn’t my theory, I got it straight form wikipedia
“Thirteenth Order?”
Long before the Kingdom Hearts story that are out, with Sora, there was a secret war going on. It was between the light and the darkness. There were three powers in this war; the Light, the Dark, and the Chasers. The Light and the Dark members were sometimes on the same team because they were both part of the Thirteenth Organization. The Chasers on the other hand were warriors, that people reconized as once Keyblade Masters. These ex-Keyblade weilder’s heart grew out of touch with his or her’s Keyblade. These Chasers now roam the world to find Keyblade Masters, and kill them. The Chasers try to find a new Keyblade that fits them. The Keyblade Masters were some type of amour that makes them look like a wolf. Every time a Master dies thier Keyblade goes to the “keyblade Graveyard” as it is now called. The Thirteenth Organization were led by people known as Dual-Weilders. This Dual-Wielders each carry two Keyblades.
For eons, the war between light and darkness had been silently waged. A precarious balance between the two was struck in the various worlds, and things were peaceful overall—even if the tension between the light and dark continued to build.
The worlds, their walls open for travel to those who dared venture away from home, faced a continual threat from creatures known only as “Heartless.” These creatures were known to spawn from the hearts of those they devoured, and consisted of two types: the Shadows, and the Brights. The Shadows were the creatures of darkness, while the Brights were those of light.
The only way to vanquish these creatures was through the use of keyblades, magical weapons that attuned themselves to the hearts of their owners. Only one person could wield a specific keyblade, and if their heart became out of tune with the keyblade they held, then they too could no longer wield that blade. These weapons were given to few people, and became a symbol for power throughout all the worlds.
When not distracted by the threat of the Heartless, the people of the realms were having continual conflicts. In each world was a “Thirteenth Order,” with each of its members capable of wielding keyblades. The Thirteenth Orders were headed by people known as dual-wielders, who were capable of wielding two keyblades at a time. The Orders, however, were split. Many people in the Orders fought for the side of light, seeking to eradicate darkness from the worlds. An equal number, however, fought for the darkness, reasoning that the light could not exist without it and vice versa.
The time came when a powerful figure on the side of the darkness was killed. Tired of their oppression, the warriors of the dark rose to fight those of the light. The light continued its crusade against the dark. The Orders were split and shattered, forced into small factions in order to survive.
At the same time, odd creatures named Chasers began to appear. People recognized them as former friends, allies, or enemies, but something in them seemed changed, and they could not wield their keyblades anymore. As a result, they kill other keyblade masters, searching for a keyblade to replace their own. And, on a distant world, a “keyblade graveyard” has begun to assemble itself, where the Chasers abandon the keyblades they take but cannot wield.
Keyblade masters are originally members of the Thirteenth Order of whichever world they come from. Some of them fight for light, while some fight for darkness. Each has a special keyblade, attuned to their heart, that is for their use only. If their hearts are altered or become out of harmony with their keyblade, they can no longer use it. Keyblade masters make up the bulk of the war, fighting for whichever force they deem worthy, against those of their own kind.
Dual-wielders are the leaders of each Thirteenth Order of their worlds. Unlike normal keyblade masters, they wield not one, but two keyblades, each one attuned with their heart. They too can choose to fight for either darkness or light, and can lose the ability to wield their keyblades if their hearts change or become twisted. These serve as figureheads and commanders in the war, and the other keyblade masters will often look to them for guidance or advice. There is only one of them per world; when one dies, another member of the Order succeeds them.
Chasers are mysterious beings, and much about them is unknown. They are often recognized by keyblade bearers as former friends or enemies, and were once keyblade masters themselves. Something about their demeanors has changed, and they are almost always seen in the company of Heartless—always either Brights or Shadows, and never a mixture of both. They’re rumored to be killing other keyblade masters and attempting to use their weapons, and abandon these keyblades on a distant world when they are unable to use them.
Everyone else has just gotten caught up in the massive war between light and dark. Some have already chosen sides; some have yet to choose. They may move as they please, free of the commands or limitations set by others.
Destiny Islands is a newly-blossoming world, made up almost entirely of ocean. The people of this world live on distant, detached islands, with the only transportation between islands being long boat rides. The level of technology is meager at best, and most people of this world live in peaceful simplicity.
Radiant Garden is a magnificent paradise of magic and fantasy, with most of the residents living on land situated above beautiful waterfalls. The world is heavily magic-oriented, and while its technology is not advanced by any means, its people are well-educated.
Twilight Town is a world of perpetual dusk, where the sun is always setting but it never quite becomes night. This world is a peaceful one, and the people enjoy lives of luxury and tranquility. The balance between day and night mirrored that between light and dark here, and until the war began, the two sides dwelled in tolerance of one another here.
Each keyblade is attuned to the heart of the one who wields it. When the heart and the keyblade fall out of alignment, the keyblade bearer must either re-master the keyblade or lose all ability to ever wield it again. It is unclear if a “lost” keyblade will realign itself with the heart of someone else, but there are no records to date of it ever happening. Instead, when one keyblade master “falls” from their position, another keyblade is usually “born” and given to a new master, who takes the place of the old one among the ranks of the Thirteenth Order. The same thing happens if a keyblade master is killed. If a dual-wielder is killed, another member of the Order rises to take their place, and the vacant spot is again filled by a new keybearer.
Keyblades serve as more than just specialized weapons. They become an extension of the keyblade master’s very soul, and often change their appearance or gain additional powers to reflect the heart of the one that carries them. Some keyblades may spit fire, while some may cut deeper and harder than even the finest sword. It all depends on what the heart of the keybearer is like, and every keyblade is unique.
on 02 Jun 2007 at 1:47 pm 693. Neth
when is coming out
on 02 Jun 2007 at 2:04 pm 694. Ace of Diamonds
Wow! That’s quite a theory. I wonder how long Wikipedia took to think of that one. From what people tell me, that site is unreliable, but it sounds like a logical theory to me. I’ve never heard of a group called The Thirteenth Order. And since it’s leaders are Dual-Weilders stated in the theory, it would explain why Terra, Aqua, & Ven were able to weild Sora, Riku, and King Mickey’s Keyblade. So, the worlds make sense. Destiny Islands is a world of absolute pure light & tranquility. Twilight Town brinks on the edge of Light and Darkness, Twilight. Radiant Garden however is a mystery. When Ansem the Wise ruled over it, it was peaceful, and when Maleficent took over, it became an abyssmal Dark atmosphere. It gave me goosebumps when I had to go there. What about Traverse Town? Has that world fallen completely out of existence? Traverse Town is the world where people whose world’s were destroyed, or lost to the Darkness come to live. How come we never heard of these “brights” in Kingdom Hearts 1, since that basically centered around Heartless?
I mean, what is the true story behind the Keyblade? I’m beginning to wonder who it was the made and weilded the first Keyblade? If Ansem found Xehanort when he was young, it can’t be him. Perhaps, The Keyblade Wars ended for a short amount of time, but when Xehanort created that machine used to create the Heartless, The spirit of the Keyblade chose weilder with strong heart who they knew could combat the heartless, and vanquish the eternal Darkness.
on 02 Jun 2007 at 4:35 pm 695. Unknown
Yeah, I gotta agree with you on the issu about the brights. why weren’t they mentioned in KH1. But It sed on the article I’ve researched that the brights are actualy a type of heartless (I can’t think of any ideas why). I had thought that heartless were creatures of darkness, but now its seperated into two categories. The shadows and the brights. I don’t know whether the article is a theory or a fact, but I came to see that wikipedia is quite reliable. I’ve doen my school research assignment with it, and they are actual facts. I’ve proven it to my self by researching many other sites and encyclopedias (books) for the same research, and all of them harmonized with wikipedias facts. But I’m not entirel sure though whether we could trust wikipedia entirely or not. So I guess will stay with the fact that this article I brought up is a theory.
Oh and I guess Ven Aqua and Terra are sed to be “Keyblade masters” who wore armor that looked like wolves. But do any of you guys think that the oldman (secret ending) and “Ansem” were part of the 13th order, and all members wore clothing like the oldman and Ansem’s (long gray robes with white gloves and jacket) OR!!! maybe they’re the chasers, according to the article that chasers are always found around heartlesses (the Dark Warrior that protected the old man)?
on 02 Jun 2007 at 10:51 pm 696. Ace of Diamonds
I didn’t even catch the line about Chasers always appearing with Heartless. That would explain the Heartless looking creature weilding a Keyblade that came out of the Old Man. I’m not ready to call that Dark Soldier a Heartless just yet. Since when can a Heartless weild a Keyblade? If the “Brights” are another category of Heartless, why was there no mention of them, not only in Kingdom Hearts, but in Kingdom Hearts 2? Kingdom Hearts 1 was centered mostly around the enemy known as “Heartless” - creatures born out of the Darkness in people’s hearts. Where do Brights fit in to this category? I’m not sayin it’s not possible to have two categories of Heartless. After all, there were two categories of Nobodies. The Nobody creatures(Dusk, Berserker, Dancer, etc.), and the nobodies that made up Organization XIII. How did the Brights come into existence? Are they born out of pure light in people’s hearts, hence the term “brights”
Perhaps Xehanort was a member of the Thirteenth Order. It would explain why his Nobody created Organiaztion XIII as kinda like a tribute to The Thirteenth Order. According to the theory, once a Dual-Weilder is killed, its spirit is passed to the next Dual-Weilder in the order. Roxas maybe? Although Sora could weild Dual-Keyblade too.
on 02 Jun 2007 at 11:48 pm 697. Shakespeare
I remember seeing something pretty much exactly like that on Neopets. It was the background that someone made up for a Roleplay. Plus, I don’t see that theory on Wikipedia’s pages…I searched ‘Thirteenth Order’ (the literal translation of the Japanese term for Organization XIII), and it took me straight to the regular Organization XIII page.
Besides, Wiki’s purpose statement says that Wikipedia is not a ‘crystal ball’; theories like that have no place there. It’s a reference source, and it cites no sources whatsoever. The wording doesn’t strike me as very Wiki-like, either. If you can find me a link, perhaps?
Anywho, regarding the crossroads: I’ve been theorizing that the crossroads exists apart from time. After all, Timeless River exists in the past, before Sora was born (theoretically…it’s been over 70 years since Disney cartoons have looked like that), and yet Sora can go there. Not to mention that both Pete from the past and Pete from the present (or Pete from the future, to denizens of Timeless River) met and fought. So, it’s possible for two of the same person to exist in worlds like Timeless River. Plus, if the Crossroads is the world where all Keyblades reside, then it would have to be accessible across time, and keeping it in a state where time doesn’t pass seems like a convenient way to keep things in order.
on 03 Jun 2007 at 1:52 am 698. Unknown
Oh wait its automatic…lol
on 03 Jun 2007 at 5:38 pm 699. jeff
hey the crossroads in deep dive when sora was there all the keyblades were gone and they say where the secret ending took place was seen behind the door to darkness so if it took place in the realm of dark maybe where the crossroads dont have keyblades is just inbetween or the realm of light or something maybe having something to do with it being possibly in past and present.Ace,roxas is soras nobody right?So sora and roxas can probably both hold two keyblades and that wikipedia theory probably makes most sense but there is still many possibilities and questions oh and it seems i have one what is dark and or darkness in latin and what is light in latin?Maybe at one time organization 13 could hold keyblades but not their nobodies im wondering what happened to braig and all them cause if they are nobodies theyd be nobodys of someone wouldnt they like sora and roxas and things like that?
on 03 Jun 2007 at 5:48 pm 700. jeff
oh and they say there are 4 chasers then if the bald guys also a chaser wouldnt he be able to hold two keyblades and if terras xehanort how could there be 4 chasers cause xehanort and terra are the same person and if the bald guys xehanort how could he be a new character i dont really believe the xehanort and terra thing much anymore but how could it be xehanort then unless he was just referring to the 3 chasers and the times being new and the wiki theory is placing some good possible facts also and it says memory of xehanort so wheres xehanort?
on 03 Jun 2007 at 5:53 pm 701. anonymous
Neth,we dont really know exactly when it comes out but its supposed to be announced at tokyo game show 07 sept,22-23rd and there may be another kh project before then or something thats what i heard.
on 03 Jun 2007 at 5:57 pm 702. jeff
there may be just a relation with xehanort and the bald guy and i wonder what the bald guys name could be cause the names are probly connected in a way like terra and riku and kairi and aqua and ven and sora?
on 03 Jun 2007 at 7:28 pm 703. jeff
hey maybe the organization 13 were dual weilders because it said there was conflicts between the realms of dark and light and twilight was used as a mirror(inbetween)it said chasers are friends allies or enemies meaning 2 of them were for the side of darkness bringing chaos and ruin upon it and 2 were for light and one backed out from the darkness terra(related to riku)riku was on the side of darkness but normally fought for good(possibly inbetween) and riku could also hold soras keyblade and his own they werent completely attuned and xehanort probly is the bald guy cause terra showed a hatred for xehanort and it was meant memories of xehanort somehow and it said not yet awakened maybe the memories got mixed up so the bald guy technically isnt a new character exacttly but at the same time he is so maybe he is terra but not exactly.It said within each world of light and dark or just every world there was a thirteenth order(organization 13)and said with each of its members capable of weilding keyblades(like sora and roxas)and were headed by the dual weilders of them like roxas but hadnt been born yet exactly and sora is also a dual weilder probably able to use a keyblade of dark and light or whatever probably meaning riku as a dark light weilder like sora may also be able to do so and org 13 was led by xemnas cause since his nobody could weild 2 keyblades and some of the org. are for light and some are for darkness and things like that it said the thirteen order was headed by them it said by the ones that could hold two keyblades “at a time” however some fought for darkness and some fought for light and riku and sora and such are able to hold light and dark keyblades from how they are and so they are also dual weilders like the ones related to them and maybe some of the orgs. hearts got out of tune maybe like (xemnas/xehanort/terra)and maybe the rest of the org. could only hold one keyblade so roxas should unknowingly be heading organization also cause he should also be able to hold two keyblades and can cause in the fight with axel he has two so hes a nobody of a chasers relation so making them a dual weilder like xemnas the light could not exist without darkness theres equal amount of light and darkness in hearts and so technically terra is xehanorts avenger in a way possibly still with unanswered questions and so read the paragraph before the last one in unknowns #693 post goes with this theory but maybe it can go on to someonelse and also be re-mastered cause sora could use various keyblades and a keyblade broke in the ending right so maybe riku was with mickey when it broke and anyways when it broke i guess you could say it was in the past and present,and or maybe future MAYBE.So this has good explanation of how terra can be xehanort and also be new characters in a way and such and such.Any questions or comments?
on 03 Jun 2007 at 7:31 pm 704. jeff
oh and kairi and rikus nobodies can probably hold two keyblades also mostly rikus though so rikus nobodies part of org.13 i also heard.
on 03 Jun 2007 at 9:30 pm 705. Ace of Diamonds
Riku doesn’t have a nobody. At least I don’t think so. I’m still unclear on how Terra can also be Xehanort. So, when Terra is avenging Master Xehanort, he’s avenging himself? I also find something weird. We’ve noticed that nobodies have “X’s” in their name(Roxas, Xemnas, Axel, Saix, Xigbar, etc.), so why doesn’t Namine’s name have a X? Is it because Kairi never had a Heartless, and the “X” only appears if the original being became a Heartless? Xehanort has an “X”, but there’s no name when it’s rearranged. It’s just “No Heart”, or “Another”. Same with Namine. That’s her name. No rearrangment is needed. It’s kinda interesting that we learned the name of the 3 Armored Soldiers, and yet failed to mention The Old Man, and Dark Soldier’s names. It all needs to have one connection.
“Birth by Sleep” - I believe it has to do with those pods in the basement in Twilight Town, along with The Room of Sleep, and Room of Awakening.
“A Sealed Tale of Truth” - We never heard about a Keyblade War until Kingdom Hearts 2, and how Keyblade weilders waged war with each other. I mentioned that The Keyblade vanished until Xehanort created the Heartless, and knew the spirit of The Keyblades would need new weilders.
“The Fate of all is inevitable” - “Inevitable”, or bound to happen sooner that later.
“The Fate of all is not made by choice” - Darkness has a role here, and traps someone’s mind into doing acts they wouldn’t normally do, like Riku’s Transformation.
“Each of their fates pass through and gather together” -The Keyblade Weilders of the past and of the present join forces to settle the score to vanquish The Heartless and Xehanort. Terra, Aqua, Ven, - Sora, Riku, & King Mickey”
“A New Story awaits the awakening” - A new chapter for Sora & Company. They haven’t encountered anything like what they’re going to encounter, and perhaps a new hero waits in the wings.
on 03 Jun 2007 at 9:56 pm 706. metalzoa17
because namine was real but at the same time she wasn’t. She’s different from other nobodys, she was created when Sora became a heartless. Its said that when a person become a heartless there is left and it starts to form into a being, namine was formed from Sora not Kairi.
on 03 Jun 2007 at 10:58 pm 707. jeff
hey i know riku has a nobody i just dont remember his name he was created when riku was in the realm of darkness and like i said before my ps2 hasnt been working so all i can say is that you see him in hollow bastion and the world that never was and the bald guy is supposed to be xehanort right?So maybe somehow considering there eyes each changed a different color the same that either there is a relation or ansem did an experiment on him before the end of the first game to try and get his memory back and something went wrong maybe having something to do with xemnas or xigbar and so on and so on and i looked up the word fate it saysdestiny,inevitable necessity,death,doom,lot;pl.the three goddesses that preside over birth and life of men and inevitable means not to be avoided,certain to befall and necessity means being necessary,need,irresistable compulsion,absolutely requisite,extreme indigence and indigence means want,penury means poverty and that means defect,insufficiency,want/insufficiency:deficiency,inadequacy:not equal to the purpose,disproportionate,defection:act of abandoning a person or cause,apostasy/defective:faulty/apostate,apostasy,
one hwo renounces his religion or his party,false,traitorous:traitor,one hwo betrays his trust or allegiance,one guilty of treason and i cant remember where but on the internet some type of clue to the secret ending that something about fate having necessity or something like that ace of diamonds you probably should get what i mean by now like the fate of all is not made by choice-darkness,and traps someones mind into doing acts they wouldnt normally do and his memories were faulty and insufficient and such and xehanort was abandoned i wrote down much more to write about this theory to make it more understandable but i lost the paper but anyways ill try to make a more sufficient theory.so terra isnt really xehanort he may just think that in different times and so on.
on 04 Jun 2007 at 12:08 am 708. jeff
i think that rikus going to play a major role cause it said if you get lost in the darkness join hands together “like before”in the translation so maybe its talking about riku when he got lost possibly in the realm of darkness i think kh3 or the sidestory is going to tell more about king mickey and riku and what happened in the realm of darkness possibly a calamitous mistake ill talk more about the subject later.
on 04 Jun 2007 at 1:48 am 709. Unknown
Well I don’t think Riku had a nobody and if he did, it would have played a big role in KH2 (but it didn’t). And the representation of hime walking in the path of twilight would be messed up if he had a nobody, consaidering his nobody would be the one true person who walked the path of twilight. And Riku never became a heartless so he would have never had a nobody. And the only reason as to why Xehanort was the only heratless in human form, was because he used Riku’s body, and with his powers he was able to manipulate its form. So in this case, Riku is acting as the nobody (being actually the body) as Xehanort acts as the heartless (being actually the heart). So really, the heartless is just the representation the person’s “heart”, while the nobody is the person’s actual “body”. When the two elements (nobody and heartless) fuse, its like the body and the heart being together again. Thus forming the former person whole again. But to why Roxas existed while Sora was himself again (not a heratless), was that Sora was able to gain a new body. As for Kairi her lifeless body was supposedly to be Namine, but since she was in sora’s body Namine was created through Sora. So really Namine is practically sora’s nobody (being created with Sora’s body along with Roxas), just filled with Kairi’s spirit (not the heart/soul). As for Riku’s case, his heart never seperated form his body, thus never becoming a heartless. instead he shared bodies with Xehanort/ansem. Two hearts in one body, just like Kairi’s and the other princesses in Sora’s. You guys gets?
on 04 Jun 2007 at 1:56 am 710. Unknown
Well…the great connections between sora and Namine, being that Namine can control Sora’s memories and other people connected to Sora was that she was a nobody created through Sora (her powers are centered around Sora). But yet her connections with Kairi as her “nobody,” is that Namine created form Kairi through Sora, she carries within her Kairi’s spirit. But would like to know is what became of the other princesses of hearts’ nobodies? its too bad Belle, Kairi, and Jasmine were the only princesses mentioned in KH2. There were some other Disney female characters worthy of being Princesses of hearts. Kida from Lost city of Atlantis and Pocahontas. but wait…was Ariel a princess of hearts too?
on 04 Jun 2007 at 3:02 am 711. jeff
hey if your heart has to separate from the body to create a nobody howd organization 13 get created.Well i didnt exactly mean that riku was inbetween exactly like when the heart is attuned to the keyblade i just got a little off track cause you see riku has held the way to the dawn and hes also held soras keyblade of the realm of light and i dont think xehanort is ansem he just said he was ansem maybe just thinking that so hes not xehanort/ansem and so on.
on 04 Jun 2007 at 3:42 am 712. Unknown
well Xehanort is not the “real” Ansem, but his heartless was known as “Ansem” taken form his master’s name. And what I meant by Riku being in between, is that he walks at neither the dark part nor ethe light. He isn’t in the side of light, but he isn’t darkness as well. Like how Sora and Kairi use the power of light, riku uses both dark and light (represented by his keyblade way to the dawn, “twilight”) And the organization was formed, because their former selves were turned into heartlesses. When a person is turned to a heartless his or her heart is lost in darkness, and is seperated form the body. the heart is consumed with the dark, thus forming a “heartless”, while the body (empty shell) still left with the person’s spirit (the will), becomes a “nobody”. And that’s how the mebers of the organization came to be. They were the empty bodies with the person’s spirit of their former selves.
on 04 Jun 2007 at 5:02 am 713. Ace of Diamonds
Yeah, but The Organization Members were just Nobodies following Xehanort’s Orders. Who even knows if they had Heartlesses. When a Heartless it destroyed, its heart returns to the original being, and when nobodies are doomed to fade back into Darkness. Remember, when Namine said that, and yet Roxas and Namine are still alive within Sora & Kairi. The Organization Members just wanted to be whole again. They were collecting hearts for their own Kingdom Hearts in order to some how be whole again. They must’ve lost their hearts when they became Nobodies, thus creating Heartless, but the question is, where are those Heartless? Because Sora & Kairi are so special and contain Lighr within them without any trace of Darkness, Roxas and Namine never faded into Darkness. Xehanort and Sora are the only beings to have a Heartless and a Nobody, and still retain their original form. They both must have some hidden power within them.
What about King Mickey? He knows more too. This a conspiracy. Everybody knows more than what they’re letting on about. Ansem, King Mickey, Riku, Yensid, etc. I mean, doesn’t anyone else find it odd that we saw Yensid ONCE in the whole game? That we never got the breakdown details of what happened Riku & King Mickey were together in the Dark Realm. What about Ansem. When his machine exploded, he was nowhere to be found. It might sound weird, but I don’t think he’s dead. He’s far too powerful to be destroyed that easily.
Somebody answer me this, if Kairi was a princess, then who was her father? I think it’s Ansem the Wise seeing as how he ruled over Radiant Garden, but my mind tells me Xehanort is involved somewhere.
Unknown, yeah, Ariel was a princess of heart. Her father was King Triton, Ruler of Atlantis, which reminds me, how did Triton know the story of the Keyblade if he lives below the surface? Did he somehow witness the chaos brought from the Keyblade?
on 04 Jun 2007 at 6:03 am 714. Unknown
Oh and yes…sad to say Ansem the wise (real Ansem) is dead. After all he’s still human, and not even having super magical powers coudl save you form something like that. Its energy coming from hearts that had been gathered. Meaning, that explosion packed a big punch. And in his situation, Ansem couldn’t have the chance of saving himself.
on 04 Jun 2007 at 4:00 pm 715. jeff
well if ansem died wouldnt he have a heartless or a nobody or go to kingdom hearts or something cause xehanort only was said that he was ansem wouldnt there be just a possibility that hes alive and does anyone agree that the organization may have at one time held keyblades cause there is many of them hey i dont think that xehanort started out bald because maybe they went through different times or just went to the realm of darkness im just wondering cause they saw what happens in the past in the ending in the dark realm the background looked the same so where sora is in the crossroads of deep dive theres no keyblades and yensid gave sora the starseeker right then that means king mickey got out of the realm of darkness with riku before he gave him the keyblade so mickey mustve spent a visit so i wonder what happened to yensid and riku in interviews he was said to be the true weilder of the keyblade but his relation terra may have not made the first keyblade cause there was so many and like i said before i looked up the word fate in the dictionary and almost all the most important words having to do with it and its way too much to write on here but ill write the most important facts that might give a clue of what exactly happened when ansem took xehanort in:fate,fatal it was pretty fatal he couldnt remember anything,fate:inevitable necessity,doom,lot,pl.the three goddesses supposed to preside over the ‘birth’ and ‘life’ of men.fatality couldve been a calamitous mistake,being fatal,invincible necessity so maybe it was some type of mistake and necessity is a need xehanort needed help and his thoughts were all confused either way he also thought he was ansem and after all this studying i found that it led to these words which describe probably what most likely happened if the xehanort and terra thing is true cause he said theres only a little bit of a clue in the secret ending its very possible it has to do with their eyes changing the same color so i found:poverty:necessity to lack he lacked memory,to be necessary:used impersonally:forlorn:deserted,abandoned and miserable so when xehanort was younger he was found probably abandoned and miserable somehow and occurances of mistakes happened and also found inadequate:not equal to the purpose,disproportionate,defective,deficient but if terra and xehanort thing is not true theres just relation or something but wouldnt that mean xehanorts related to riku or something seeing as if xehanort would be older than rocks if that was his original form as the bald man cause if it wasnt terra maybe then howd xehanorts nobody xemnas become to happen so young like maybe he just also thinks hes xehanorts nobody but maybe it has something to do with mickey and riku being there or something cause if the bald mans the villian then why didnt mickey or anyone just stop him unless it was failed and mickey probably got his gold key there seeing as its originally his probably and all the keyblades have probably been returned to other hearts or have been scattered and another war is coming or something but seeing as there is four chasers terra either just has him within him or something somehow or is really got problems with memory of xehanort somehow but im really confused cause maybe it wasnt rikus nobody that rikus spirit was in kh2 i havent played it for a while so i dont remember it that well cause im not sure i dont remember much it may have been xemnas and theres a relation and also much memory problem with terra im not sure im going to have to put some more thought in this anyway any thoughts or questions on this theory?
on 04 Jun 2007 at 4:11 pm 716. jeff
i think my theory goes with the fate of all is not made by choice like it traps their mind into doing acts they wouldnt normally do and i think a new story lies with riku i think seeing as the translation was said of the clip at sep 07 and maybe xemnas isnt rikus nobody but terra and or xehanorts.
on 04 Jun 2007 at 6:35 pm 717. Raxel
To think that Terra was Xehanort’s Avenger makes me wonder why he wanted to kill him if he was xemnas’ friend. I don’t understand who the old man and red ninja like person is and how he whipped all three enigmatic soldiers. I still don’t beleive that Aqua was a girl.
on 04 Jun 2007 at 6:59 pm 718. theheartlessleader
of course SHE is a girl did’t you see how see walked?
on 04 Jun 2007 at 6:59 pm 719. theheartlessleader
and HER face
on 04 Jun 2007 at 7:03 pm 720. theheartlessleader
and aqua is a girl name
on 04 Jun 2007 at 8:13 pm 721. anonymous
i also agree that aqua looks like a girl and whered you here that terra was friends with xemnas and i dont remember seeing a red ninja in the secret ending and if the bald man was xehanorts original form then maybe xehanort made the keyblade but i dont know.
on 04 Jun 2007 at 10:42 pm 722. Unknown
Well Jeff for a reply on your post at 717, I think your getting confused with “Xehanort,Ansem” WITH Ansem, real Ansem, AKA “Ansem the wise.” Well I was talking about ansem the real Ansem and how he blew up himself along with his machine and a chunk of Kingdom hearts. Well, people who die doesn’t necesseraliy mean they become a heartless and a nobody (spliting into two entities). When a perosn dies in KH, the person just…DIES, no deal to it (dies normal like the way people die). But the only reason a person becomes a heartless “with” a nobody, is if the person’s heart was consumed by the darkness inside them (since it sed that every person has a darkness inside they’re hearts). But in Ansem, the real Ansem (Ansem the wise), he couldn’t become a heartless since his heart wasn’t consumed by darkness. He pretty much just died in a normally the way people could die (an explosion). So what happened to Ansem after dying is his heart was released (like how Sora releases hearts captured by heartlesses), and may have ended up with the kingdom hearts Xemnas had made.
And yes Aqua is a girl, if you look at the structure of her body and the way she walked in “the gathering.” Plus its obvious she’s a girl, she took off her helmet for crying out loud! and its a female’s face.
Oh I think the red ninja that Raxel was talking about was the dark soldier that came out of the old man.
Jeff; of course Xemnas was never Riku’s nobody, he was Xehanort’s who took on the name of his master, Ansem. And yes he is indeed xehanort’s, but the theory of Terra being Xehanort I’m still having a hard time believing in that.
As for the many other posts, why do people keep thinking Xehanort was the oldman!!? I thought Nomura sed that the charcacters in the big fight scene were “NEW!”
Others keep thinking Terra is Xehanort too!
But my question is, who were the three godesses that many keep mentioning? I would really like an answer on this one.
on 05 Jun 2007 at 12:24 am 723. jeff
yeah i got off track but yeah im wondering how they are all new i just put that up so if its true cause i see a lot of people have been saying its possible but some of those theories i made might make some sense in them about it if it wasnt true about the xehanort/terra thing and uh im not sure cause if the bald guys been said to be a chaser then he must be new too and you see terra already has a keyblade at the ending then you see one of the chasers picks up two so maybe the bald guy isnt a chaser but has a keyblade too.
on 05 Jun 2007 at 3:37 am 724. Roxas
hey people. I’m new here, but i have some new guesses for KH3. First of all at the end of KH2 there was a letter from the king that never showed what it said, so Sora, Riku, Kairi, and the king are still involved. Also in the birth by sleep video, the king showed up holding the star seeker keyblade. So maybe everyone else from KH2 is still involved.
on 05 Jun 2007 at 3:49 am 725. Unknown
Well I don’t think the knights are chasers, accoridng to my wikisearch. They were “supposedly” keyblade “masters,” described as ones who wore armor that made them looked like wolves. And yes I totally agree with you in the theories that Xehanort cannot be Terra, and like what you’ve sed Xehanort would be really young during that time. I’m estimating, he’s about Sora or Riku’s age at this time. But I do believed he once wielded a keyblade, at least one point in his life.
on 05 Jun 2007 at 3:57 am 726. crystal
will sora die and the next game or no?
on 05 Jun 2007 at 4:44 am 727. Ace of Diamonds
Crystal,I doubt Sora will die at any time during the series. Sora is the main character in Kingdom Hearts. He is the hero after all. You can’t just kill off the hero.
Roxas, I doubt we’ll know what Mickey’s Letter said. After all, at the end of Kingdom Hearts, Pluto had a note in a bottle with the King’s seal on it. We to this day, never know what the letter said, but with this new series, and all the speculation and theories about it, there’s a strong chance we might know what’s in that letter. Besides, it probably says something about Xehanort regaining his memories of the Darkness, and how he’s gonna start up another Keyblade War.
I did say that Xehanort would’ve been at a young age when he was found, but how did he lose all his memories. If he isn’t in the secret ending and was nowhere near The Keyblade War, how could he have lost memories in a Keyblade War he never fought in? Do we even know what happened to Xehanort at that time. All Ansem said was that Xehanort wandered into Radiant Garden. We never even know how Xehanort lost his memories. It is possible that Xehanort weilded a Keyblae, but according to Ansem the Wise, Xehanort has natural abilites, sometimes even superhuman. So, Xehanort could be poweful without the use of a Keyblade, but it doesn’t mean he never weilded one. If Xehanort was a Dark Keyblade weilder, he must’ve served under that Old Man. Knowing he was far too young to fight in the Keyblade War, he trained Xehanort on the arts of the Keyblade. With the war going on, Xehanort’s knowledge grew, and when The Old Man disappeared into the Blue Kingdom Hearts, he passed his spirit to Xehanort. If Terra refer’s to Xehanort as Master, how could he hate him? When Xehanort became more evil, he used his powers to brainwash Terra, Aqua, & Ven. When Terra’s eyes chnaged color, Xehanort had him in his power, and forced him to do away with his friends. Probaly why he wants revenge on Xehanort so badly.
So, Terra passed on his Keyblade to a strong-hearted warrior who would finish Xehanort. At first, it was Riku, but his heart was overcome by Darkness, and Sora was chosen instead.
That’s why Terra, Aqua, & ven share the same bond that Sora, Riku, & Kairi do. Terra’s spirit was passed onto Sora, Aqua passed on her spirit to Kairi, and Ven seeing as how he picked the Way to Dawn chose Riku who also vanquished the Darkness in his heart and followed the Dawn back to Light.
on 05 Jun 2007 at 4:46 am 728. Ace of Diamonds
Sorry for all the spelling errors, I was typing fast. I usually don’t mispell those words.
on 05 Jun 2007 at 5:39 am 729. Unknown
WOA! Ace man, ur on to something here, someone thinks that Xehanort is a seperate perosn fomr the oldman. And not only that, a belief in Xehanort’s affiliation with the old man (being some sort of teacher), considering their similarities in atire. And the theory of Terra passing the keyblade to Riku or Sora to finish a journey that was started, since he may have not been able to defeat the old man and end his evil plot for darkness. But at the same time, the oldman may have passed on his knowledge with Xehanort in continuing his plans. I can’t be sure with this theory, but I like it.
But all I can say is that maybe Xehanort wasn’t evil before, maybe he didnn’t have any connections with the darkness. He may have been also a “chosen” one to bear a keyblade, and a destiny of ending chaos. But instead he lost his memories, and found his way to the darkness. Xehanort didn’t have to wield the darkness, maybe he once even wielded the power of light, and had a keyblade of light. I mean he could have had a similar story with Riku. Opening the “door” of their worlds, causing the heartless to get to the worlds of light and finding power in darkness.
I dunno but, maybe the three knights were someone who were to protect Xehanort or something. With Terra calling Xehanort his master, and Xehanort wielding a special power, maybe Terra was trying to protect Xehanort form the oldman and the darkness, along with the other knights. But he failed to do so, instead Xehanort may have sided with the old man and his ambitions of darkness reigning in the worlds. Note that this event may be after Ansem found Xehanort without his memories, and Xehanort became a heratless. And so, Xehanort started to bear a hatred for xehanort because of what his doing.
This theory is beyond the theories I would usually give, so even I’m not sure about this theory of mine.
Oh and another keyblade war with Sora (maybe after this next “KH” game), would be so cool!!! imagine Riku Kairi Sora, and the King fighting in it. Man, maybe we might even c Roxas and Namine again. I’m in over my head here ^_^ lol
Well thats about it ^_^
on 05 Jun 2007 at 5:42 am 730. Unknown
Oops a mistake on Xehanort bearing hatred on Xehanort ^_^ lol
I meant Terra bearing anger towards Xehanort
on 05 Jun 2007 at 2:47 pm 731. jeff
maybe terra lost his memories as having his powers in control of xehanort but didnt terra fight back at him after that his eyes changed colors and seeing as what you guys have been saying he may have had control of him like ive already been trying to say but oh well my descriptions are probly confusing they sometimes can confuse me and so if thats to be the bald guys original form wouldnt he have died cause normally wouldnt you see him in kh1 and 2 if he just had control of him howd he lose his memories get them back and think hes xehanort again cause terra was in final mix and he could remember things like xehanort and all but it seemed like he was talking like it was a pain in the — wouldnt xehanort be there too as terra was fighting sora or something?
on 05 Jun 2007 at 2:59 pm 732. jeff
like ace said xehanort had him in his power and forced him into doing things he would normally do by compelling him(force) and “the fate of all is not made by choice” thing, trapps their mind into doing stuff they wouldnt normally do.Some parts of my theory may help with this and unknown not many have been mentioning those three goddesses they probably wouldnt have any thing to do with kh3 thats just maybe a clue that it has to do with the birth and life of men maybe a clue to what birth by sleep meant like that was just a description ill write more about that later.
on 05 Jun 2007 at 4:59 pm 733. jeff
hey so anyways the three goddesses probly have nothing to do with kh but my description of fate had much to think about through possibilities of what happened to terra and or xehanort when he was found,when he was found did he say his name was xehanort or did he not remember even that?So maybe he was abandoned there somehow and was forlorn and became inadequate somehow(not equal to the purpose)unless there is four chasers but not the bald guy and anyways the description said the three goddesses said to preside over the birth and life of men and in the translation of that clip at sep 07 said something like their wounds cannot be healed or i have to go heal their wounds and then i will not forget what happened since my birth how long has it been since my birth has the time been recorded or something like that and whats strange is that theres a keyblade called oblivion right i looked up oblivion it said act of forgetting,forgetfulness and anyways terra must have been awakened between kh1 and 2 probably meaning when terra was asleep some type of birth happened and when terra awoke somehow later he must have lost his memory somehow and someone woke him up from his sleep.
on 05 Jun 2007 at 5:05 pm 734. jeff
hey so anyways the three goddesses probly have nothing to do with kh but my description of fate had much to think about through possibilities of what happened to terra and or xehanort when he was found,when he was found did he say his name was xehanort or did he not remember even that?So maybe he was abandoned there somehow and was forlorn and became inadequate somehow(not equal to the purpose)unless there is four chasers but not the bald guy and anyways the description said the three goddesses said to preside over the birth and life of men and in the translation of that clip at sep 07 said something like their wounds cannot be healed or i have to go heal their wounds and then i will not forget what happened since my birth how long has it been since my birth has the time been recorded or something like that and whats strange is that theres a keyblade called oblivion right i looked up oblivion it said act of forgetting,forgetfulness and anyways terra must have been awakened between kh1 and 2 probably meaning when terra was asleep some type of birth happened and when terra awoke somehow later he must have lost his memory somehow and someone woke him up from his sleep.i havent already said that
on 05 Jun 2007 at 5:07 pm 735. jeff
okay sorry i mistakenly wrote two of the same comment.
on 05 Jun 2007 at 11:05 pm 736. Ven
My Kingdom Hearts Ven Story XD
There were four Lands. Land of Water, Land of Wind, Land of Sky and Land Of Earth they had great battles vs. each other swords sawn every ware. Until one day in village called Nija lived a 15-year-old boy name Venturous people called him Ven for short he had dark red hair bright brownish hair eyes he was knight for his Village but when he was a kid his mom and dad died when he was 5-years-old his parents were killed by Land Of Earth. Land Of Earth was cruel Land the knights would kill there Owen people and if they saw other people kill them to. They had no reason to kill people at all they ones started these war of Four Lands. There King died thought they had right to have revenge on people killed there king a least that’s what Terra thought Terra was Son of King of Earth soon to be King of Earth. Ven didn’t go into huge wars like great one happen right now of all lands he just guarded the gates and see if enemies where in site.
But one day a great Knight of Wind came to Ven and said “Your Ven right?” said Knight Of Wind “Yes.” replied Ven “This for you from your Dad and here is your horse.” Said Knight Of Wind “what but my dads dead?” said and a Ven in weird voice “No your dad isn’t dead but you got to hurry we need you.” Said Great Knight Of Wind. Great Knight Ran off and left with his horse. “I wonder what’s in this and what horses name is?” said Ven puzzled and opened the pack. What came out was a letter and dragon sword and red amour. Ven started read the letter it said “Son This mean your real dad I should of told you when you were young I didn’t want you get hurt from three land I’m King Of Wind and your prince we are in a major war of lands that sword is gift for you we need your help your chosen one son Ven means Wind you are son of God Of Wind you are second key of world
on 05 Jun 2007 at 11:05 pm 737. Ven
to be contuned
on 06 Jun 2007 at 12:47 am 738. roxaslover200
u spelled continue wrong but i dought u care and when are u gonna write more!!!!!!!!!!!(screames then sighs) CALM DOWN ME……………………………………….
on 06 Jun 2007 at 1:34 am 739. Unknown
Well I dunnoe whether this three goddeses have something to do with Zelda. But, how odd
on 06 Jun 2007 at 4:19 am 740. jeff
what i am saying is that the three goddesses may have nothing to do with kh and im also not talking about zelda i mean maybe instead of three goddesses in kh maybe it means light,darkness,and inbetween that presides over the birth and life of men instead when it comes to kingdom hearts and the translation of what has happened since my birth probably has something to do with riku cause someone was born having something to do with the darkness cause there is maybe having something to do with terra being asleep but if those three are related to sora riku and kairi then those three mustve went just through different times or something seeing as the key blade war secret ending most likely didnt take place too far back and they say xehanort and or terra agreed to have test projects done to him for research tests or something so this is all really confusing didnt riku hold the oblivion keyblade before so like i said before oblivion means forgetfulness so maybe it was passed on to him seeing as maybe terra was the actual one hwo lost his memory but im wondering about that cause sora could weild that blade too but maybe its possibly coincidence and you dont have to believe terra exactly being xehanort terra is just being controlled by him or something but then if the bald guy was originally xehanort why did his eyes turn gold too it just doesnt add up seeing as this is getting really really hard to figure out does anyone know where on different sites any threads comments or blog pages cause a long time ago when people hardly talked about kh3 i found a link said a hacker posted it,it led to a page that said absolutely everything i thought i could get back to it later but wouldnt let me in i really dont think that it was tooken off the internet seeing as the incredible amount of other posts after it and unfortunately i was unable to post anything about it at the time and i dont remember the website and you dont have to believe me on this i could only remember aqua and vens name as they said in it for short i dont remember what his full name was but it was long i think that ven was his middle name when i saw this i didnt really get much of it at all it was probly around the first week i saw the first secret ending aqua was all that i can remember of her name and so on and it wasnt on a subject of kh3 but the other games besides kh2 final mix wasnt even out but anyways itll probly never be found again maybe,but anyways i will just have to use my imagination dang-it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so anyways lets continue on theorys and thoughts comments.
on 06 Jun 2007 at 4:37 am 741. jeff
oh and another thing i want to say is that wouldnt castle oblivion be the same as castle of forgetfulness cause oblivion means forgetfulness so maybe xehanort and or terra or both or something are there.
on 06 Jun 2007 at 5:34 am 742. Ace of Diamonds
He’s right. Oblivion does mean like a state of forgetfulness. If Aqua is in The Room of Sleep, and Ven is in The Room of Awakening both in Radiant Garden, then Terra must be in Castle Oblivion. Maybe there’s another room in Castle Oblivion. First, it begins with The Room of Sleep, then you re-awaken in The Room of Awakening, and the third room is like The Room of Rememberance or something to regain all lost memories. I mentioned that Xehanort had the Old Man’s spirit and was passed on to continues his Dark Treachery, and brainwashed Terra to do away with his friends Aqua & Ven. Xehanort chose Terra to revive first. Since Ansem inhabited Riku’s body, Xehanort banished Terra away to another world knowing he didn’t want to deal with hearts that strong ties and great power of Light & Darkness.
When Terra’s eyes changed color, I said that’s when Xehanort controlled him. So, when Terra was revived, he was elated to see Xehanort, but his Darkness grew cruel and uncaring. Seeing as how he had no further use for Terra because Riku’s heart gave in to Darkness and could be easily controlled, he didn’t banish away Terra to a different where, but a different when. Terra became infuriated, and betrayed by his former master. So, I’m gonna guess that the portal in Disney Castle doesn’t lead to the past, but to another world far away. Blinded by rage for being betrayed, he challenged Sora. But Terra chose to pass his Keyblade to Riku, the man Xehanort took instead of him, not Sora. But maybe Terra was testing Sora whether or not to control him, and go back to fight Xehanort himself. But seeing how powerful Xehanort is, and how difficult it would be to control Sora based on the strength of his heart, he let him be knowing he was very capable of bringing down Xehanort.
on 06 Jun 2007 at 12:47 pm 743. axellover500
so much writing!!!!
on 06 Jun 2007 at 7:02 pm 744. jeff
so then xemnas moved the head quarters there for that reason maybe xemnas also was at the point when he thought he was xehanorts nobody also like and then he could remember everything at the time and was talking to aqua maybe and so maybe terra ended up at ansems cause he was abandoned by his friends or something maybe. Ace,lets stick with that theory you just commented its really good and really logical.
on 06 Jun 2007 at 8:32 pm 745. Shakespeare
Guys, that theory doesn’t come from Wikipedia. Wikipedia doesn’t allow that sort of thing. If there’s no sources/original research, it will get taken down. There are no sources for that ‘article’, and I haven’t seen a link to the article to verify that it’s even THERE. Until I can see that, I won’t believe it. Besides, even if it came from Wikipedia, that doesn’t prove anything. /I/ could go onto Wikipedia right now and write an article about how there is no such thing as Kingdom Hearts, but that doesn’t make it true just because it’s on Wikipedia.
Plus, the fact that absolutely NO information regarding the Chasers has been released (we don’t even know if Aqua, Ven and Terra ARE the Chasers) leads me to believe that, no matter where it was found on the internet, it’s not true. Until it’s backed up with proof (beyond ‘I saw it on Wikipedia’), I won’t believe it. Until I can verify it, it is nothing more than drunken rambling to me. (That’s why I try to provide as many sources as I can; I don’t want my arguments to be passed off as drunken ramblings.)
Anywho, I’ve been gone a while (Finals and such, ugh) and I’ve been playing catch-up with everything going on here, so I’ll be covering everyone’s questions in separate posts.
on 06 Jun 2007 at 8:34 pm 746. Shakespeare
Jeff; Riku doesn’t have a Nobody, as far as we know. There isn’t ALWAYS a Nobody created when someone loses their heart, and Riku never lost his heart. He lost /control/ of it, but he still had it. We NEVER see a Nobody of Riku. We see Riku in an Organization cloak, but we also see Mickey in an Organization cloak, and I think we all agree that he’s not working for the Organization.
And your list of definitions is rather unnecessary, not to mention it’s difficult to follow your logic. Besides, ‘defect’ (to secede, to abandon) as a verb is very different from ‘defective’ as an adjective (to not work properly). Someone in poverty is not a defector. Context is a BIG part of defining things.
Death does NOT equal becoming a Heartless/Nobody. When someone dies, their heart returns to Kingdom Hearts uninterrupted. When it’s forcibly taken from them before their time (known because of our inevitable fate clue from the trailer), THEN they become a Heartless. But, when someone dies, then their soul must leave before their heart. If it wasn’t this way, then we would have a bunch of zombies running around as Heartless and Nobodies, and this simply isn’t the case. The element of the soul regulates this and keeps things running naturally.
Yes, Xemnas is Xehanort’s Nobody. Can we stop debating this? Xehanort stopped going by the name of Xehanort when he started writing the Ansem Reports. THAT’S why Xemnas’s name rearranges to Ansem, not Xehanort. Yeesh, people, we’re just running over the same ground over and over again…am I the only person who reads all the posts?
Oblivion can also be used in the context of ‘nonexistence, nothing’. Obliterate, ‘to destroy completely’, comes from ‘oblivion’, as well. (Both ‘oblivion’ and ‘obliterate’ carry definitions including ‘efface’, ‘to wipe out/do away with, to erase completely’. Something ‘consigned to oblivion’ is to be destroyed completely and utterly.)
on 06 Jun 2007 at 8:36 pm 747. Shakespeare
Ace; Naminé’s name doesn’t have an X in it because she’s not a member of Organization XIII. The Xs are ONLY a mark of members of the Organization. The game states that their names mark them as a member of a brotherhood.
“The Fate of all is not made by choice” simply implies that Fate is just that…fate. Everything is predetermined, and no matter what, you would have always made that choice.
Roxas and Naminé are special cases. We can disregard them when discussing the situation of Nobodies recombining with their hearts. When the Heartless is defeated before the Nobody, then the two can recombine and life continues as usual for the person after they become whole again. (Yes, this means that Xehanort lives again now; his Heartless was defeated before his Nobody.) If the Nobody is defeated before the Heartless, then and ONLY then does the Nobody fade away into nothingness. For all we know, EVERY member of Organization XIII could have recombined with their hearts and be Somebodies again.
Ansem the Wise was probably turned into data when the machine blew up. That WAS what it was meant for, after all. And just because Kairi is a Princess of Heart doesn’t mean she’s a literal Princess. Let’s look at the seven princesses (yes, seven. Ariel is NOT a Princess of Heart despite being a Princess in her own right, because that would put us at one too many Princesses):
Cinderella - Became a princess only after marrying a prince
Belle - Became a princess only after marrying a prince
Alice - Not a princess at all, just some girl who was friends with Lewis Carrol
Kairi - Just some girl, as far as we know
Jasmine - Daughter of the Sultan (True Princess)
Snow White - Daughter of the king (True Princess)
Aurora - Daughter of the king and queen (True Princess)
Only three of them are princesses in their own right; the rest had to marry into the position or have it thrust upon them for the purposes of this game.
Also, I’m not so sure that Terra’s eyes turning yellow means he’s being possessed by Xehanort’s will. Riku’s eyes didn’t turn yellow when he was possessed by Xehanort’s will…only when he took on the form of Xehanort’s Heartless (who had yellow eyes because he was a Heartless, anyway). However, I like your theory. It doesn’t seem quite as far-fetched as mine (lol).
on 06 Jun 2007 at 8:39 pm 748. Shakespeare
Unknown; Ansem (Xehanort’s Heartless) was the only Heartless that ever retained a true human form. He’s their king; he’s a special breed of Heartless. Not even the other members of Organization XIII have human-like Heartless.
And the whole situation with Naminé is really complicated…the creation of her and Roxas was so complex and out of the ordinary, it’s not even worth considering then discussing the creation of Nobodies. And like I said earlier, not EVERYONE gets a Nobody. Nobodies are only created in special circumstances. If the other Princesses had Nobodies, then they wouldn’t have recovered at the end of KH1. And no, Ariel wasn’t a Princess of Heart, for some reason.
Regarding the theory that so-and-so in the video is Xehanort; the statement that all the characters were new came BEFORE the release of Birth By Sleep, didn’t it? Since everyone was saying that Terra was Sora? So while Terra, Aqua and Ven are all new characters, that means that either the Old Man or the Dark Knight could potentially be Xehanort.
The three goddesses are the Three Fates from Greek lore. They share one eye, and weave threads representing the lives of men. One Fate spins the string, the second Fate measures it, and the third Fate cuts it, signifying the predetermined end of that person’s life. Go watch Hercules, they’re in there.
And I would STILL like to see the sources for your research on Wiki…you can put the link in your name, and I’ll go verify it, but I can’t say I believe what you’re putting forward until I have an article in front of me to check.
And lastly…
Raxel; …Aqua has a chest and very feminine hips. She’s a girl. Trust me on this, I think I’d recognize one of my own kind.
on 06 Jun 2007 at 10:11 pm 749. Ace of Diamonds
Wow, I didn’t know you all like my theory that much. Thanks for the positive feedback.
Shakespeare, it might sound weird to you, but something is telling me that Ansem the Wise still isn’t dead. If he knew the machine was going to explode, he would’ve moved away in time. Instead of dying, he probably changed and was transported somewhere else. I mean, he did say ANYTHING could happen. Riku regained his former apppearnce, there was huge chunk missing from Kingdom Hearts, and Ansem the Wise disappeared. I wouldn’t say die, but probably disappeared. He may not have looked like it, but Ansem seems like a powerful human being. I mean I don’t think a normal person could be banished to the Dark Realm and live to tell the tale. Besides, in the beginning of Kingdom Hearts 2, he talked to Riku while he was still Ansem, and sayed he wanted Revenge. So, Xehanort banishing him was true.
Mickey and Riku were wearing Organization cloaks to infiltrate their compound.
Heartless are born from the Darkness in people’s hearts. Like Ansem said, “Darkness sprouts within it. It grows, and consumes it.” And a Heartless is born. The night when Riku gave in to Darkness, and when Sora used his Keyblade to unleash the full power of Darkness of that Keyblade into his heart to save Kairi, and thus a Heartless was created. Because of the bond that Sora and Kairi shared, he quickly returned to his human form. The empty shell left behind after Sora returned to normal was his nobody. When a Heartless is destroyed, it’s heart returns to its previous owner; like Xehanort’s situation. When a nobody is destroyed, that person becomes full again, and that same empty shell fades back into Darkness. That’s my take on it.
I heard somewhere that Kairi was sent to Destiny Islands to see if she shared a bond with the Keyblade Weilder. I heard Xehanort sent here there to see if A Keyblade Weilder and a Princess of Heart can share a common bond. Does this mean Kairi is Xehanort’s Daughter or something?
on 06 Jun 2007 at 10:12 pm 750. Ace of Diamonds
Wow, I didn’t know you all like my theory that much. Thanks for the positive feedback.
Shakespeare, it might sound weird to you, but something is telling me that Ansem the Wise still isn’t dead. If he knew the machine was going to explode, he would’ve moved away in time. Instead of dying, he probably changed and was transported somewhere else. I mean, he did say ANYTHING could happen. Riku regained his former apppearnce, there was huge chunk missing from Kingdom Hearts, and Ansem the Wise disappeared. I wouldn’t say die, but probably disappeared. He may not have looked like it, but Ansem seems like a powerful human being. I mean I don’t think a normal person could be banished to the Dark Realm and live to tell the tale. Besides, in the beginning of Kingdom Hearts 2, he talked to Riku while he was still Ansem, and said he wanted Revenge. So, Xehanort banishing him was true.
Mickey and Riku were wearing Organization cloaks to infiltrate their compound.
Heartless are born from the Darkness in people’s hearts. Like Ansem said, “Darkness sprouts within it. It grows, and consumes it.” And a Heartless is born. The night when Riku gave in to Darkness, and when Sora used his Keyblade to unleash the full power of Darkness of that Keyblade into his heart to save Kairi, and thus a Heartless was created. Because of the bond that Sora and Kairi shared, he quickly returned to his human form. The empty shell left behind after Sora returned to normal was his nobody. When a Heartless is destroyed, it’s heart returns to its previous owner; like Xehanort’s situation. When a nobody is destroyed, that person becomes full again, and that same empty shell fades back into Darkness. That’s my take on it.
I heard somewhere that Kairi was sent to Destiny Islands to see if she shared a bond with the Keyblade Weilder. I heard Xehanort sent here there to see if A Keyblade Weilder and a Princess of Heart can share a common bond. Does this mean Kairi is Xehanort’s Daughter or something?
on 06 Jun 2007 at 10:12 pm 751. Ace of Diamonds
Sorry for that double post.
on 07 Jun 2007 at 1:58 am 752. jeff
shakespeare,obliterate is to be a cause to be forgotten at least what my dictionary says and oblivion is forgetfulness,act of forgetting and state of being forgotten i dont think it necessarily has to be destroyed to be forgotten either and from what youre saying to unknown you say ansem,xehanorts supposedly special heartless that can take the form of a human not even any other of the ORGANISATION could do that the leader of the organisation i thought was Xemnas and so wouldnt xemnas be ansems nobody instead of xehanorts possibly that he just thinks hes ansem or saying that cause xemnas with the letters mixed up is ansem with an X and the thing with me saying rikus nobody and all i knew wasnt true i just got a little off track and since i havent played the game for so long and i dont think it would have said that the fate of all IS NOT MADE BY CHOICE and you say everything may be predetermined which it may be but seeing as you said no matter what,you would ALWAYS HAVE MADE THAT CHOICE,it says not made by choice,and whats your opinion on the connection with xehanort and terra when their eyes change the same color?
on 07 Jun 2007 at 3:00 am 753. Unknown
Jeff, Xehanort is Ansem, at least not the “real one”, but still known as Ansem. Meaning Xemnas is Xehanorts nobody = Xemnas is Ansme’s nobody. Got it memorized?
on 07 Jun 2007 at 5:46 am 754. jeff
UNKNOWN,WHAT THE HELL IS GOT IT MEMORIZED SUPPOSED TO MEAN!!I know that ansem is xehanort just not the real one just why the crap would he just say his name is freakin ansem as you like to call ansme and have the nobody take his name well not exactly taking his name,like as xemnas cause you say the not real ansem is xehanort but you also say that terras thoughts may be in control by xehanort or something i asked what her opinion was with the connection with xehanort and terra cause it could still have something to do with it and dam hes saying hes ansem apparently on the last page shakespeare said that riku took the form of ansem or ansme according to you,as i can see she said took on the form of his heartless which also had yellow eyes meaning the guy that said he was ansem meaning they told me that the not real ansem was a heartless so how could a heartless have a nobody if they didnt have a heart already but they do im just trying to make an example like if hes a heartless and hes terra just unknowing of it he should have a heart cause hes terra just unknowing of it(but noone really knows exactly what the eye color thing is all about but aces theory really makes sense with that) so hes not a heartless like i was falsly told so technically xemnas is terras nobody just also UNKNOWN of it and why would xemnas take that name if he just took ansems name cause he was doing the reports at the time so maybe he really thought he was ansem at the time wouldnt xemnas know that too and how else would you explain how they have much similar resemblences with terra from the past and the guy that thinks hes ansem all of a sudden after losing memory then thinking hes xehanort all over again as riku took the form of him the guy that had control over riku at the time also had yellow eyes probably unknowingly terra so hes not a heartless so its terras nobody not xehanorts he just thinks hes xehanort and or ansems nobody just unknowing of it too like seeing as he took the similar ansem name he thinks hes his nobody im just wondering about it so i asked what shakespeare thought of the connection with terra and xehanort is as unknowns been saying the bald guy is xehanort and seeing as shakespeare usually makes sense not that anyonelse doesnt cause maybe the bald guy is xehanort he did say they were all new characters before the bald guy showed up in the next secret ending,SORRY IF THIS IS UNNECESSARY OR CONFUSING AND OR FALSE.sorry i got a little angry.):
on 07 Jun 2007 at 6:17 am 755. Unknown
Hey Jeff I’m srry if i have offended u in any way, but the quote “got it memorized?” is supposedly Axel’s quote, ^_^’ hehe, but I didn’t meant it in a friendly way. You gotta understand that u can’t really show emotions in posts nor tone of voices, so ur gonna bear with me when things I say may not sound harsh, but in reall life, I practically never raise my voice, so I’m sorry man ^_^’. But the problem is, ppl somehow keep thinking that Terra and Xehanort are one and the same person. Well…you guys r only making things a lot more complicated. Because I don’t think Terra is Xehanort, considering how could somone say he hates himself in a third person point of view that doesn’t make any sense. And FORGET Terra being in the circle of entities with xehanort. We’ve got enough, with Ansem, Xehanort and Xemnas.
XEHANORT
/ \
Heartless: ANSEM Nobody: XEMNAS
EXPLANATION OF ANSEM HEARTLESS:
He is DIFFERENT form the REAL Ansem (Ansem the wise) No entity connections whatso ever. HE IS XEHANORT’S HEARTLESSS.
EXPLANATION OF XEMNAS:
He is NOT Terra’s nobody. HE IS XEHANORT’S NOBODY. XEHANORT and “heartless” ANSEM are ONE and THE SAME PERSON.
The REAL Ansem (Ansem the wise “AKA” DiZ) IS NOT A HEARTLESS
ANSEM/XEHANORT IS.
Ansem the wise and Xehanort are master and apprentice;
Xehanort TOOK his master’s NAME, WHEN HE BECAME A HEARTLESS.
TERRA AND XEHANORT EXPLANATION:
We don’t know for sure who Terra really is. But just keep him away form Xehanorts entities, since I don’t think his Xehanort at all. Meaning:
TERRA HAS NO CONNECTIONS WITH ANSEM AND XEMNAS, BECAUSE XEMNAS AND ANSEM are XEHANORT’s ENTITIES.
Xehanort = Ansem (heartless)
L> Xemnas is his nobody
^_^’ OK?
on 07 Jun 2007 at 6:20 am 756. Unknown
That last post was for any1 who doesn’t get the whole Xehanort, Ansem, Xemnas thing
on 07 Jun 2007 at 3:54 pm 757. jeff
yeah i guess we should go with that as seeing as its believed so much oh and on the last page #25 after i put some of my thoughts on it ace said a few things possibly explaining the third person thing on comment #742 i meant it adds up with how things i thought were to be of what happened.What ive been trying to say is how is there no connection one:they have a uncanny resemblence two:their eyes each changed gold three:when riku was being conrolled…the guy that was controlling him also had yellow eyes four:when xehanorts heartless said he was ansem his eyes were different colored im not sure what color they were but thats what i remember i think they were blue five:the memories could be a huge mix up in this theory cause xehanort was found with lost memories goes with aces theory six:riku took on the form of his heartless not real ansem i can see that already…but how would he take on the form of his heartless and not be a heartless so technically he was just in control but i just want the yellow eyes thing figured out cause the resemblence and in the future whom not real ansem is still had yellow eyes or whatever cause in the scene when not real ansem came in he had blue eyes and if when riku was in control if he was his heartless controlling him why were his eyes yellow then and not when he walked in the room with mickey and ansem talking and the riku being controlled or whatever can get really confusing seeing as xemnas gave kairi a keyblade from wheres i dunno when riku was as xemnas or something i dont remember that part too well but if this is false on this part of #6 dont pay attention to it so much seven:with so many possibilities its very possible but i mean the xehanorts heartless and nobody xemnas thing can be true in a way but so can what im trying to say at the same time eight:castle oblivion like ace said first,room of sleep,then you re-awaken in the room of awakening and third the room of rememberance or something like that i think this really makes sense like he said the portal may not go to the past but another world entirely probly at the same time goes to the past in another world at present time like the steamboat willie world sorta cause in the background when mickey and riku went to the dark realm the background was the same thats what i hear cause some of soras keyblades were there and stuff since tetsuya said that you can say its in the past but in the future at the same time or something like that and so if xemnas was in the room of sleep with aqua he may have been talking to her somehow but why was her armor left there i wonder maybe there was a fight but probly not and it said terra hes not yet awakened and was awakened or just left there like in aces theory,left there abandoned,and he was unawakened to his own thoughts or something to do with castle oblivion or something and then was taken control by xehanort again im just saying you said it yourself unknown we want to keep the possibilities open nine:theres probly a certain reason riku was under control like a connection you know with the hair color and all maybe ten:the eyes went from blue to yellow meaning possible relation cause rikus eyes are blue and terras are they just turn yellow so how would it be explained? eleven:This isnt saying i dont agree with you on much really but like maybe its just that the bald guy is just a relation cause he was so old and may have been a chaser maybe its rikus grandfather being controlled by xehanort in some way or something unless the bald man is just a relation and not a chaser either yet and seeing as the three armored figures werent so old that theyd be gone when sora comes cause those three are supposed to be related right so maybe theyre riku,kairi,and soras parents cause we can tell that it wasnt too far back in time its just what im trying to find out ive been asking about that its not like i havent been agreeing with anyone completely im trying to find out whats up really in order to continue to find out what happens cause it may just be that everyone in the secret ending are new but being posessed in someway or something like that cause then if thats so then where would xehanort take place if its false and so on and seeing as the bald man is new then whats his name i heard a few rumors that his name is erol but that is completely unknown until proved and so on.i have not been sayng that terra entirely is xehanort either and im asking why do you think there is no connection and peoples thoughts on what happens and so on?
on 07 Jun 2007 at 3:54 pm 758. Sora Rules
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on 07 Jun 2007 at 3:58 pm 759. axellover500
??????? W-H-A-T?:(
on 07 Jun 2007 at 6:11 pm 760. Ven
Vens Story
Ch 1
–The Chosen Ones–
There were four Lands. Land of Water, Land of Wind, Land of Sky and Land Of Earth they had great battles vs. each other swords sawn every ware. Until one day in village called Nija lived a 15-year-old boy name Venturous people called him Ven for short he had dark red hair bright brownish hair eyes he was a knight for his Village but when he was a kid his mom and dad died when he was 5-years-old his parents were killed by Land Of Earth. The Land Of Earth was cruel Land the knights would kill there Owen people and if they saw other people kill them to. They had no reason to kill people at all they ones started these war of Four Lands. There King died thought they had right to have revenge on people killed there king a least that’s what Terra thought Terra was Son of King of Earth soon to be King of Earth. Ven didn’t go into huge wars like great one happen right now of all lands he just guarded the gates and see if enemies where in site.
But one day a great Knight of Wind came to Ven and said “Your Ven right?” said Knight Of Wind “Yes.” replied Ven “This for you from your Dad and here is your horse.” Said Knight of Wind “what but my dads dead?” said and a Ven in weird voice “No your dad isn’t dead but you got to hurry we need you.” Said Great Knight Of Wind. Great Knight Ran off and left with his horse. “I wonder what’s in this and what horses name is?” said Ven puzzled and opened the pack. What came out was a letter and dragon sword and red amour. Ven started read the letter it said. Son This mean your real dad I should of told you when you were young I didn’t want you get hurt from three land I’m King Of Wind and your prince we are in a major war of lands that sword is gift for you we need your help your chosen one son Ven means Wind you are son of God Of Wind you are second key of world you have go to Land of Water meet Aqua. Aqua was most beautiful princess she was a key to world she had something called Keyblade only a few people get only for chosen ones and Aqua was one of them. You have meet her son she is helping use vs. the Land of Earth is saluting people. We need your help son o yea horse name Dane he is great horse you will get another letter from Aqua from me I hope see you son. “Wow I’m chosen one and I get go in Great War of Lands and meet Aqua and my real dad.” Said Ven out laud.
on 07 Jun 2007 at 11:01 pm 761. Unknown
Well um…jeff u gotmixed up with Xemnas and Ansem, who gave Kairi the keyblade. It was RIku as Ansem the heartless, not Xemnas. Xemnas is the nobody and the main enemy, so why would he give Kairi the keyblade. And the yellow eyes theory is getting pretty old. I mean, come on one anyone who gets turned into a heratless gets yellow eyes. Xehanort got his yellow eyes, because he was in power of darkness and he became a heartless (turned to Ansem). Now Xemnas being his nobody, also had yellow eyes because he too wielded the power of darkness. Now Riku was able to take Ansem’s form because of his dark powers that was left by ansem the heartless of Xehanort( doesn’t mean Riku’s a heartless himself, its the person who he took form of, not him). With it he was able to manipulate his form into what represented him in darkness before. Now you gotta remember that ansem, Xehanort is different form Xemnas. Ansem is the heatless of Xehanort, Xemnas is the nobody of Xehanort.
Now I’m with you how Terra posses a very identical demeanor to Xehanort. Well I wouldeven think he was Xehanort, if it wasn’t for Nomura saying; ALL THE CHARACTERS SHOWN IN THE GATHERING WERE “NEW” And forget the yellow eyes thing. you know whats really bothering me, is that ppl keep thinking at least one of the characters in the secret endings r “Xehanort” Y? Its always; “If its not the Terra, its the oldman.hugh….
Its always with the eyes, its always with the clothing the “XEHANORT FEATURE” Y? I would say TErra was the only one that had an exact similarity with Xehanort, but he’s not him. So that means NO ONE IS, in the secret ending. I’ve sed before that the oldman’s physical features, r way off with Xehanorts EVEN IF HE DID GROW OLD. I mean Xehanort had a whole set of hair, and a long one too. But even if he was balding, he would at least have some hair at the back or something. The problem is ppl r always fixated on Xhenaort and the details of him. Y can’t ppl at least think in general, and think that there are a possibility of more than one person who can have “Xehanorts clothing” or “Xehanorts yellow eyes.”
on 08 Jun 2007 at 12:55 am 762. jeff
hey i can see youre getting really bothered by what my theory was saying but i dont think you get what i have been trying to say still hey i meant that the bald man was new but being also posessed by xehanort and the bald man really is a new character when i was talking about a rumor of his name and i would probly know that it wasnt xemnas more likely ansem the heartless i said dont pay attention to that part so much but at least just to tell me it may be false cause i said i havent played it for a while its only that part when riku takes form of ansem the heartless in kh2 that i got a little confused i should have known that and what do you mean the yellow eyes theory is getting old i have never gotten very much proof at all that it was false cause i mean maybe xehanort is from time much too far back i wonder hwo he may be related too maybe he takes the form of his son to the next then to the next maybe riku or something but possibly not i mean maybe like i said before that the bald man might be his grandfather or something and they keep bringing it up because the connection with the resemblence the hatred and all the possibilities if youd pay more attention to the theory of what may have happened instead of just hwos hwo hey i never said anyone that gets turned into a heartless gets yellow eyes i said that when ansem came into the room with the real ansem and king mickey he had blue eyes like terra but hes still unknown of it and says hes ansem cause when ansem was in control of riku it mustve been xehanort at that time or something because he had yellow eyes then and not when he walked in to that room and if it was just that he had the power of darkness at the time then it was the same with the bald man and so then where does xehanort take place and i really dont know about the bald guy being a chaser cause he was so old but still possible he is i know ansem is heartless of xehanort and that xemnas is the nobody of xehanort and if this hwole time you dont get what im trying to say then i dont know how to put it.i know terra is not xehanort also he just is in that predicament where he thinks that from the looks and possibilities and all like i said where is your proof besides that xemnas is xehanorts nobody and all that crap im talking about him being in control of him what happened and how he lost his memories not just the heartless and nobody thing…
on 08 Jun 2007 at 1:51 am 763. Unknown
Hmm…you do have a point Jeff. But grandfther huh? hmm…thats really inetersting. I never thought of it that way. You know what the baldman being xehanort’s grandfather is quite interesting. Its a possibility, yet it does not affect a previous character’s being. I like that one. Xehanort’s grandfather past on his power to him. you think that the baldman may be responsible for Xehanort’s loss of memory?
on 08 Jun 2007 at 4:13 am 764. Shakespeare
I don’t think he’s dead, either, Ace. I think he was turned into data. That doesn’t make you dead…after all; Roxas had to be turned into data in order to put him into Digital Twilight Town, and Sora was also turned into data so he could access Betwixt and Between…not to mention all his trips into Space Paranoids.
Your take on it is correct, as well. However, if the Nobody is defeated before the Heartless, then the body fades, as it cannot reunite with it’s heart, and the heart returns to Kingdom Hearts.
The original Ansem Reports state that a girl (Kairi) who was potentially a Princess of Heart (the fact that she WAS a Princess was unknown; the chances were very high, though) was sent to Destiny Islands to test a hypothesis about the Keyblade and the Princesses. This doesn’t mean that she is Xehanort’s daughter or Ansem the Wise’s daughter, since the report doesn’t even mention her name. As I said; just being a Princess of Heart doesn’t mean you’re an actual princess.
on 08 Jun 2007 at 4:21 am 765. Shakespeare
Jeff; have you never heard ‘oblivion’ and ‘obliterate’ used in the contexts I described? They come up all the time… (and this definition of ‘Obliterate’ came straight from Dictionary.com:
ob·lit·er·ate
1. to remove or destroy all traces of; do away with; destroy completely.
2. to blot out or render undecipherable (writing, marks, etc.); efface.)
Xemnas is most definitely Xehanort’s Nobody. The fact that his name is Ansem with an X doesn’t mean that he’s NOT Xehanort’s Nobody, since Xehanort was going by the name of Ansem and had discontinued use of his TRUE name for some time before separating his heart and body. (For the sake of simplicity, when I say ‘Ansem’, assume that I mean ‘Xehanort’. I will actually say ‘Ansem the Wise’ when I mean Ansem the Wise.)
My comment about ‘always making that choice’ MEANS that you never had a choice in the first place. You were fated to come to a crossroads, and you were fated to ‘choose’ a predetermined option of going down whatever path you ‘chose’ in the first place. It’s the illusion of choice, but in the end, you would have made that choice no matter what. That’s fate.
on 08 Jun 2007 at 4:55 am 766. Shakespeare
Jeff; to continue…Xehanort had orange/yellow eyes to begin with. His Heartless has yellow eyes because ALL Heartless have yellow eyes (this also explains why his skin is darker). However, even when Riku was possessed by Ansem, his eyes remained their natural color. (And Unknown, Xemnas’s eyes are orange.)
Riku was never Xemnas. You’re getting confusing…could you please please PLEASE try to at least break things up into sentences and paragraphs? It would make answering your questions so much easier…
Unknown; If the Old Man is Xehanort, it’s very possible that he could have lost all his hair. I mean, Billy Zane is only 41, and he’s completely bald (he wears a wig for most of his roles, including ten years ago in Titanic, when he was only 31). Just because he had long hair in the past doesn’t mean that it didn’t get cut/all fell out. Besides, plenty of people also say that the Dark Knight is Xehanort, myself included. Xehanort’s hair could have been shorter in that video, and he could have grown it to the length we saw in Mickey’s flashback during the time he spent at Radiant Garden. I mean, Xehanort’s hair isn’t Sephiroth long, so it’s quite possible.
on 08 Jun 2007 at 5:27 am 767. jeff
Shakespeare;context means the parts which precede or FOLLOW A PASSAGE QUOTED…obliterate is destroying something not forgetting it and if its called oblivion it means oblivion A STATE OF FORGETFULNESS otherwise it would have been called obliterate or something its called oblivion its not obliterate its not the cause to be forgotten its the state of forgetting an act of forgetting oblivion could be a mental destruction but thats just a quote of how it could be used by riku something seeing as he forgot everything and riku has used it,it was passed on to riku somehow of that way of life or something and so he could use it and if he could use it seeing as hes related to terra and riku didnt lose his memories and terra did he could take the form of his heartless meaning access to using oblivion or something and if oblivion is forgetfulness theres a possibility that he just might have took part in him losing his memories like him having unpurposely being also part of the cause of him forgetting in context but shakespeare technically your saying i dont know what the words mean instead of quotes(context)…i know that xemnas is xehanorts nobody but if you read my theory and understood it better you would know why i think xemnas is xehanorts nobody in a way and terras also its unknown it goes with the theory and possibilities and so on,the choice is predetermined but the choice was made at one point so its still made by choice of what you should have meant by that was what i just said…
on 08 Jun 2007 at 6:24 am 768. Unknown
Well shakespear, both Ansem and Xemnas had the exact same colored eyes. This color is something of yellow taintedin fiery light orange.
I know ppl can get bald all the way ^_^, but the only thing is, I thought that scene had occured in the past though, meaning Xehanort can’t be old.
on 08 Jun 2007 at 9:05 am 769. ...
i learned everything i could tonite about kingdom hearts and i think
theory1.they all have blue eyes. sora,roxas,kairi,and namine are the only people i know have blue eyes that could be sora/roxas the one who looks like roxas since sora means sky and ven means air. aqua could be kairi blue eyes but why would she pick up riku’s blade unless that was her blade from the begining. but how could it be hers from the begining if roxas is there.this must be the past. but how can it be the past if that old guy looks like he could be ansem. it could be ansem you guys have to see what i am seeing. on kingdom hearts 2 ansem the wise (micky friend) used that thing to mess up that heart planet (the one that xemnes made and the old guy showed you) well back to the point he shot some beam at the planet the thing he used to make the beam exploded. before it exploded ansem the wise said anything could happen. a few sec later riku was his self again now thing about this ansem the wise said anything could happen. so i think when riku turned back what do you think happen to his dark body a.k.a ansem (xehanorts nobody). i think that ansem (xehanorts nobody) was set free thus sometime later he has the same cloths that he wore before on the first one he wants revenge on sora or doesnt still wants kingdom hearts to give him power.
theory2.at the end of kingdom hearts one since i have no life, when the words are flying buy fast you can read them they say things from off the one after the first kh,kh2 they say things like “this time i will fight” thats what kairi sas on kh2 to riku they say way more stuff but i dont fill like saying them all but if they say things from kingdom hearts 2 in kingdom hearts 1 then at the end of kingdom hearts two they must say lines from kingdom hearts 3. ok in kh2 ending in this order it sas .master of keyblade,the lost two,memeory of xehanort,chasers,keyblade war,and it all begin with birth by sleep. it might mean those three key bladers chase after keyblades,how come that ship that terra was on disapered it looks like that xemnes ship that riku and sora detroiyed and some say terra is xehanort but xehanort does not have blue eyes but terra eyes turned yellow three people eyes yellow xemnes you guys maybe right second person anti sora third person saix.
statement. in the kh2 ending they have sora and friends keyblades in their hand but on the fighting one sora keyblade is gone maybe sora summend his keyblade because nobody knows where the keyblade is when its not with its wilder. maybe during this fight the sora and riku vs xemnes fight was going on because the three key blades vanshed maybe the same time they called there keyblades to open up that door to fight xemnes
on 08 Jun 2007 at 2:08 pm 770. Ace of Diamonds
I have come to terms with the Keyblades. In my theory, I mentioned that Terra, Aqua, & Ven passed on their spirits to Sora, Riku, & Kairi. I also mentioned they did that they passed their Keyblades to those with strong hearts to finish off Xehanort. I wanna change something around from my theory about The Old Man training Xehanort. Telling from the video, Terra wnated at that The Old Man really bad. So, maybe before The Old Man trained Xehanort in the Dark Arts of The Keyblade, Xehanort had good within him. He was close, pretty much friends or family in comparison to Terra, Aqua, & Ven. Seeing as how Terra wanted that Old Man no matter what, Xehanort was related to Terra, or maybe a close friend. The Old Man sensed the strong heart within Xehanort. With Xehanort as a good being, he knew he couldn’t obtain his heart into the Kingdom Hearts of the world, so he kidnapped, or at least used his Dark Magic to brainwash him into joining him. You could tell in the Secret Ending, Terra really wanted to get at that Old Man.
So, Terra, Aqua, & Ven knew this was their Last Stand. If they couldn’t defeat The Old Man, there was no hope for Xehanort to become good again. Even Sora said at the end of Kingdom Hearts 2. “There’s more to a heart then jusy anger or hate. Don’t you remember?” So, before the Final Battle, they sent their Keyblades with those with hearts as strong as theirs, if not stronger, to finish what they couldn’t.
So, the shadow looked different in both endings because the figure with hair was Xehanort, but The Old Man knew he was far too young like I said and took his place, and passed his Dark Spirit onto him. If you read my previous theories, you’d know what comes after this.
on 08 Jun 2007 at 2:35 pm 771. Sora Rules
wow….that was great
on 08 Jun 2007 at 3:32 pm 772. jeff
unknown,it took place in the past and so you say xehanort cant be old or bald but they are all new characters so meaning the bald guys being controlled by xehanort and he just controlled terra passing it on seeing as the bald guy is so old he may be a grandparent and maybe a chaser from farther back in time so meaning those three armored ones are parents of sora riku and kairi so that means that xehanort/terra is rikus dad birth by sleep as terra was in castle oblivion or something it said hes not yet awakened but he got awakened in final mix by someone but hwo i wonder.
on 08 Jun 2007 at 6:13 pm 773. ...
or the old guy could be ansem a.k.a xehanorts nobody because we dont no what happend to his body after riku turned back to riku
on 08 Jun 2007 at 6:30 pm 774. Birth by Sleep
It cant by too drasticlly in the past or future, because Mickey still looks the same
on 08 Jun 2007 at 7:26 pm 775. KH is the best
is aqua part of argonisatiion 13 because there is a fan picture and it looks like the exact same person
on 08 Jun 2007 at 7:44 pm 776. Ace of Diamonds
Ansem is not Xehanort’s Nobody. Xemnas is Xehanort’s Nobody. Ansem is Xehanort’s Heartless. After Ansem was defeated by Sora, Ansemw as destroyed, and Riku took control back of his heart after that Dark Hold Ansem had over him. So, since Ansem died, and when a Heartless dies is heart returns to its original being, it returned to Xehanort.
Birth by Sleep, yeah Mickey looks exactly the same. I still believe that this is before Mickey was King Mickey and before he obtained his Keyblade from the Dark Realm.
on 08 Jun 2007 at 7:48 pm 777. Ace of Diamonds
How could Aqua be a part of Organization XIII? I doubt she was even around when the group was formed. Besides, we already know the identities of the original XIII members. Xemnas, Xigbar, Xaldin, Vexen, Lexaeus, Zexion, Saix, Axel, Demyx, Luxord, Marluxia, Larxene, and Roxas. No Aqua to be found. Although there are rumors that Aqua has some sort of resemblance to Zexion.
on 08 Jun 2007 at 8:04 pm 778. Shakespeare
Jeff; I know exactly what context means, there’s no need to get snippy with me over semantics. They wouldn’t have called a Keyblade ‘Obliterate’ because it’s a verb, and naming a noun a verb just sounds awkward. ‘Oblivion’ is a noun, though, and I always took it not as ‘a state of forgetfulness’ but as something that obliterates (or destroys, if this debate is over the meaning of obliterate/oblivion), since it’s pretty much the second strongest Keyblade in the game. I’m not saying that ‘oblivion’ doesn’t mean forgetting. I’m just saying that’s not the ONLY thing it means. Words are complex…
Riku could have used Oathkeeper, too, if that had been what Roxas had dropped. Riku is a Keyblade wielder. He can use pretty much ANY Keyblade. He used Sora’s, and was able to carry Kairi’s with him and give it to her at a later time.
No, I’m NOT saying that I don’t know what the words mean, Jeff. I’m comparing MY definition to YOURS. In order to do so, then a definition must be lined out. Don’t accuse me of not knowing what I’m talking about, here. I wouldn’t have stuck around for so long if I didn’t.
I’ve TRIED reading your theories, Jeff, I really have. But the fact remains that every single one of your posts is a rambling run-on sentence consisting of a single stream of consciousness. It’s very difficult to make out what you’re trying to convey when you have things like bulleted lists without bullets, and then say to ignore one thing while you move on to another point. If you made your theory understandable, then perhaps we wouldn’t be running over the same ground, hm?
And even though one ‘makes a choice’, you’re missing my point. The person in question never really HAD a choice. If I go to a restaurant, and I’m given the choice of steak or fish, and I was fated to choose the steak, then no matter what, I’d choose the steak EVEN THOUGH A CHOICE WAS OFFERED TO ME. The choice is predetermined by Fate. If there was no predetermination, then there would be no Fate. You may be given a choice, but Fate/a higher power/whatever already KNOWS what choice you will make, and knows that your life is a set path. Fate cancels out chance. See?
on 08 Jun 2007 at 8:07 pm 779. Shakespeare
…; Re: Theory 1: Aqua didn’t pick up Riku’s blade. Ven did. Roxas is not there. The old guy probably isn’t Ansem (the Heartless), since his skin isn’t dark enough, and Ansem was destroyed, and his heart was released. (Then, when Xemnas was destroyed, the two recombined, giving live to Xehanort again.) Yes, they’re wearing the same clothes, but Riku and Mickey wore Organization cloaks, too, and they were never members of the Organization.
Speaking of Riku, Xehanort’s Heartless wasn’t actually present in that situation. Riku’s Darkness took the form of Ansem, but Ansem wasn’t actually