Riku on 01 Apr 2007 06:58 pm
FM: Enigmatic Soldier Battle
“Aqua… Ven… Keyblade… who are you? I can feel it… we have met before… it was when… No… it isn’t you… It isn’t you that I have chosen… Why is it not him… Xe… ha… nort… is that you? Xeha… nort… Xehanort!”
Thanks to Xevorili.
Final Mix: Secret Boss (Enigmatic Soldier) Defeated! (Aftermath)
Enigmatic Soldier: I see. Your strength is… What I sensed in you is…
(When returning for a rematch:)
Enigmatic Soldier: So you have returned, young Keyblade user. I have no further power to give you. All I have is my hatred towards Xehanort. Will you allow me to engrave that into your heart?
on 26 May 2007 at 3:32 am 301. Trace
Wow Shakes, I don’t check this mini-forum for a little bit and so much discussing has been going on! Allow me to admit that I am obsessed with fighting Xemnas. The battle is far too fun, but the sequences confuse me. Mainly at the end, after Xemnas himself is defeated (or perhaps reunited with his heart), a flock of Dusk Nobodies enter the scene. Do Sora and Riku fend them off or is the flash of white symbolic of something? I’ve also tried connecting Xehanort’s Heartless with the Old Man from the ‘Birth by Sleep’ scene. When “Ansem” summoned his guardian, I immediately thought of the Old Man and the masked fighter that pulled itself from him. Needless to say, there are supposed to be parallels between Xehanort’s Heartless and his Nobody in battle. But when you face off against Xemnas as he sits atop his giant behemoth of a throne, the buildings you run upon rise up, reminiscent to the way the Old Man manipulated the earth he and the Chasers battled upon. Am I overanalyzing or are there true parallels between Xehanort’s Heartless, his Nobody, and the Old Man that engaged Terra and the others in mortal combat?
on 26 May 2007 at 7:27 pm 302. daboringguy
the flash of light is when riku used some kind of final attack or sumthing and killed the nobodies
on 27 May 2007 at 9:54 pm 303. Shakespeare
I know the feeling, Trace! lol
Don’t forget that the Old Man made all the Keyblades fly around like some giant snake for the Dark Knight to ride on. And if my theory is correct, that the Old Man is Xehanort from the future (long after KH) and that the Dark Knight is Xehanort from the past (just before he turned up in Radiant Garden), then it would make sense for connections to exist between the two.
It would also explain why the old man can use a Keyblade. Granted, there are many wielders, but it seems to make sense that two of the same person could use a Keyblade. After all, Sora and Roxas use Keyblades, and they’re essentially the same person.
on 29 May 2007 at 2:31 am 304. Everblades
What if they are the nobodies of Sora, Riku, and Kairi. I don’t know if any one thought of this so sorry if you did.
on 29 May 2007 at 5:23 am 305. Trace
A Nobody is created at the same moment a Heartless is created, essentially. Roxas came about when Sora was turned into a Heartless and Namine came about when Kairi’s heart was released from Sora’s. Both of their Nobodies are unique in the ways they were created and the circumstances with which their Somebodies (Sora and Kairi) were involved, such as Sora regaining his human self thanks to Kairi and not staying a Heartless. Riku gave in to the Darkness and, correct me if I am wrong, but his heart went to Kingdom Hearts, didn’t it? Otherwise he would not have been on the other side of the Door, right? Which means he, too, became a Heartless of sorts, right? But his circumstances were also unique because he regains his body and heart at the end of Kingdom Hearts. If Riku became a Heartless, no matter how, then his Nobody is somewhere out there, too.
And there doesn’t have to be a connection in their names, right? Xemnas gave everyone their names, aparently – at least with Roxas. The whole ‘X in the Name’ fad was just with Organization XIII. Riku’s Nobody could have an identity and everything , couldn’t he? And would the Riku Replica also have a Nobody of sorts? Granted his heart was artificial, would it work the same way as a real heart? Riku seemed to know. After they fought, he claimed that his replica’s heart would go to where his (Riku’s) would go.
All we know is that Terra, Ven, and Aqua have obvious connections to Sora, Riku, and Kairi, (not necessarily respectively). Who knows what will be unveiled in the future…?
on 29 May 2007 at 10:09 pm 306. Zach
Commenting on your post Shakespeare, Because his keyblade has no Keychain Attached, then his keyblade must be a keyblade in its purest form, because even the Kingdom Key has a keychain on it, and its considered the “generic keyblade”.
on 30 May 2007 at 4:09 pm 307. JUDGEMENTKEY
Well you know how Ansem the wise supposedly died in the explosion of his machine? Well you don’t think that could be his heartless do you? Because when a person dies or something (this is just a guess) but doesn’t he lose his heart? And that thing next to him maybe that’s his nobdy. It’s a good guess isn’t it?
on 30 May 2007 at 4:11 pm 308. JUDGEMENTKEY
The bald guy in the secret ending that is. I’m not talking about the enigmatic soldier.
on 30 May 2007 at 4:58 pm 309. theheartlessleader
wtf! that was sweet
on 05 Jun 2007 at 3:41 pm 310. soraguy
…………..what happend last night???????????????
on 06 Jun 2007 at 8:44 pm 311. Reese
actually ansem the wise could still be alive remembered when he said anything could happen
on 06 Jun 2007 at 8:44 pm 312. Reese
actually ansem the wise could still be alive remembered when he said anything could happen
on 06 Jun 2007 at 8:52 pm 313. axellover500
wyd u rite 2 times
on 06 Jun 2007 at 9:06 pm 314. Sora Rules
hi
on 09 Jun 2007 at 8:39 pm 315. onon
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on 13 Jun 2007 at 5:39 pm 316. The Three Eyed King
Hmm…I hve just read everyone’s theories and I think that Shakespeare and Trace re probably the most accurate…so I’ll leave you guys to make theories.
on 17 Jun 2007 at 11:27 am 317. Mixup
Shakes and Trace… You guys REALLY wanna make a link between Xehanort’s Heartless/Nobody and the Old Guy?
Well, how about this?
1. The E.S. battle in Final Mix+… he goes on about how he hates Xehanort. And it was the Old Guy that he hates in the trailer, right?
2. The clothes that the Old Guy wears are almost exactly the same as the clothes that Xehanorts Heartless wore, right?
3. The weird Shadow that the Old Guy summons looks almost exactly the same as Riku did when he was possessed but Xehanort’s Heartless, right?
4. And finally… when you fight against Xehanort’s Nobody and he sits on top of his throne in the building wearing armor… that armor looks almost EXACTLY like the armor that the E.S. and the other two wore.
So far, I have deduced that this trailer is in the past. Xehanort was an ally of those three knights and was a Keyblade Master himself. Xehanort somehow lost and was found all battered up on Ansem’s doorstep with no memories, where he was taken in by the foolish man. And the rest after that is explained in KH2.
And on one final note… Trace. You said that Riku lost his Heart and that is why he was there at the end of the first KH. No. He was always there with them. Even during the battle with Xehanort’s Heartless, as the Heartless was actually using Riku’s body. The blast of Light that came out of the Door gave Riku control of himself, and that is why he was in there. He went in the door himself, just as Mickey did some time before that.
(I would also Like to point out that I do not think that really was Kingdom Hearts at the end of the first game. After all… why would Kingdom Hearts be full of Heartless? It was really the Realm of Darkness in there, we can guess that from the fact that Mickey was there, and that they later talk about how Mickey and Riku escaped from the Realm of Darkness, and not from Kingdom Hearts.)
Sorry it is so long…
on 18 Jun 2007 at 6:55 pm 318. Gemini
What happened to the first vid?
on 19 Jun 2007 at 12:31 am 319. twilightgamer92
I think that Sora is the bodily reincarnation of Ven. And the reason that Sora’s heart could be connected to both the Kingdom Key and the Star Seeker is because the Kingdom Key is made out of the light part of Ven’s heart. This is why Sora and Roxas could use two keyblades. sora just needed help using two because using more than one eyblade puts a strain on one’s heart. Roxas, being a nobody didn’t really have a heart and therefore didn’t have a heart to put a strain on.
on 19 Jun 2007 at 12:37 am 320. twilightgamer92
Oh, and Mixup, Nomura did say that Riku lost his heart temporarily. Have you ever played KHFM? Riku’s heart woke up at the Door to Darkness where the king talked to him about how the door had to be sealed and that both he and Riku were sent there to help seal the door. However, when Xehanort was shot by the light of the door, Xehanort’s heart was sent to Kigdom Hearts and Riku’s “Nobody” was returned to him. It’s very complicated.
on 19 Jun 2007 at 12:44 am 321. twilightgamer92
Kairi also might be the bodily reincarnation of Aqua. The reason that Xehanort sent Kairi to Destiny Island is because he somewhat recalled Aqua so Xehanort sensed the connection betwen Aqua and Kairi. So, Xehanort sent Aqua (Kairi) to find the keyblade that belonged to Ven (Sora).
on 19 Jun 2007 at 12:55 am 322. twilightgamer92
Although while I don’t think that Riku can’t be the bodily reincarnation of Terra (especially since Terra is ALIVE), Riku and Terra are SIMILAR. Since Riku=Land and Terra=Earth and both Riku and Terra changed their eye color some time in their lives. Riku was also very skilled in Darkness and Terra is skilled in Light. However, Riku and Xehanort are also similar. They both shared a body and both of them conquered each other (post KH: CoM, pere KH2 Riku accepted Xehanort’s darkness but didn’t lose himself to Xehanort). Xehanort and Terra also have similar hair styles so Xehanort and Terra might be brother’s and Terra would have even MORE hatred for Xehanort because Xehanort betrayed Terra. This act of hatred might come from the battle of Terra, Aqua, Ven vs. Old Man and the Dark Soilder because I think Xehanort IS the Dark Soilder. But Xehanort’s keyblade didn’t have a keychain so, like Ven’s, it could’ve snapped at the end of the battle.
on 19 Jun 2007 at 1:04 am 323. twilightgamer92
One more thing: Xigbar said when “the people that weilded the blade of keys were gone, a man who had lost his memories had appeared” meaning Xehanort. I think that the old man used that kingdom hearts he created to fuse his heart with the Dark Soilders, creating Xehanort.
on 19 Jun 2007 at 4:09 am 324. Mixup
ok… lemme just say this. after all the effort i put into explaining that this is not based in the past, u still think that it comes before the KH games. another thing… Terra ain’t alive, that battle is similar to the Timeless River level, wher you actually go to some other time (or even dimension)
on 19 Jun 2007 at 4:11 am 325. Mixup
and… the dark soldier is similar to the shadow that followed the last boss of KH1. The old guy simply summoned it, it is not another person.
on 19 Jun 2007 at 4:12 am 326. Mixup
holy crud… just had an idea.
we all agreed it is in the past, yes?
well… in the trailer we see old Xehanort. we also see riku’s keyblade. that keyblade only looks like that because it formed around the cool sword he uses in KH1.
It looks like that because Riku had it. so how can it already look like that if it is in the past?
The keyblade got that appearance in the present, so that keyblade they show is in the future!
i tried convincing u guys before, but this is HARD to argue against.
I convinced that it is NOT in the past!
on 19 Jun 2007 at 2:29 pm 327. twilightgamer92
Alright, Mixup! Way to the Dawn only appeared in the KH2 Secret Ending but not the KH2FM+ ending. Ven picked up Way to the Dawn in the KH2 secret ending but the blade wasn’t in his hand in the KH2FM+ secret ending. The first secret ening just meant that Ven was the previous weilder of twilight. Ven also (possibly) died in the battle and his keyblade was snapped in half. One half might’ve been crafted into Sora’s keyblade and the other might’ve been crafted into mickey’s. But Ven’s heart might’ve been used to craft sora’s keyblade which would explin why the keyblade found Sora but Riku could use it for a while because both Ven and Riku were meant to be weilders of twilight. Call it far fetched if you will but then again it is a little bit far fetched but there’s as much a chance that that theory’s possible as much as possible that the secret endings took place in the future. But if your right about the battle between Sora and Terra being a battle like Timeless River then Riku COULD be the bodily reincarnation of Terra. but how do you have proof that the battle between Sora and Terra was just like Timeless River?
on 19 Jun 2007 at 2:44 pm 328. twilightgamer92
Okay I just rembered the portal in Disney Castle but I don’t remember if the portal appeared by replacing the door timeless river or not. So okay, sora fought Terra in a different time *coughpastcough*. After both fights, Terra might’ve took his own life and was then reincarnated into Riku. Another far fetched idea, but just as likely as this taking place in the future.
on 20 Jun 2007 at 12:11 pm 329. Mixup
ok… lets make this short and simple…
Xehanort in KH2=young.
Xehanort in KH3=old.
put them together.
and what you said about how Way to the Dawn was only in the first trailer… you don’t you think of them as Part 1 and Part 2 of ONE trailer, and not two different ones… then you might see where I am coming from.
now I have explained my theories… but, what makes YOU so sure it is in the past?
also, i just found yet another link between Xehanort and Terra (+ others)… the music that plays in KH2 while you are fighting Xemnas for the last 2 times is almost exactly the same as when you fight Terra in KH2FM+.
it would not be coincidence that they have almost the same theme music, right?
on 20 Jun 2007 at 12:22 pm 330. Mixup
and if my theory is correct, i have another one to throw into the mix. if it is in the future, and the three knights are linked to Sora’s gang (nomura said it, not me) then maybe the three knights could be children of the Gang, their Nobodies, or even going back to my Third Element theory, and that those three are the remains of someone with an INCREDIBLY strong heart and mind becoming a Heartless and Nobody. like… Heart=Heartless, Body and Soul=Nobody, and maybe Mind=?
after all… Sora’s trademark Crown symbol does appear a lot. an example is when you are Roxas and you first discover the lab in the mansion… the drawing on the table has the symbols of the Heartless and Nobodies, then Roxas draws the Crown on it to reveal the stairs. the Crown is the symbol of some other element, and since people generally wear crowns on their heads, i think the third element is Mind.
if you must keep disagreeing with my theory of the trailer being in the future, at least let me know what you think about this Third Element one.
on 20 Jun 2007 at 3:42 pm 331. twilightgamer92
That third element was Humans. If you look in the Guide Book you see that people like Hayner, Hades, Barbossa, and Scar belong to that categorie. And yes, I don’t think that the two secret endings are starter and sequel. And even if they were this could still take in the past. Soul Eater baecame Way to Dawn when Riku found his true light. In the past, Way to Dawn may have become Soul Eater because Ven lost the light.
on 21 Jun 2007 at 11:39 pm 332. winterssblade
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on 21 Jun 2007 at 11:50 pm 333. winterssblade
wow this is all realy confuseing….so i am gussing that khfm is never making its way to america?
on 22 Jun 2007 at 1:02 am 334. Mixup
No. Not the first FM. FM+ will, though…
And Twilight… it can’t be in the past. Mickey only got his Keyblade recently before the first game. And if it is in the past, then how does Terra in FM+ know to call Xehanort by that name (even though he only got that name fairly recently)
Add that with what I have said before, and it is getting more and more evident that I may be right.
Just another thing to throw into the mix…
We know what names the Three Knights go by, and we know that Xehanort betrayed them, and we know that that is not his real name, AND we know that the Three have names that are Latin for Water, Earth and Wind.
I submit to you that before Xehanort got his name from Ansem, he true name was the Latin word for fire. (Ignis). But if we look at all the evidence that I have put forward, and the actual way Terra acts, and what we know about Xehanort from the game… it is becoming more and more apparent that this might actually be in both the past AND future.
After all… when interviewed about it, didn’t Nomura say that, too?
And again, let me ask you… why are you so sure that it is in the past?
I have found a lot of evidence to say that it’s in the future, but what do you have?
on 23 Jun 2007 at 1:54 pm 335. Oathkeeper
but there is so much evidence that it is in the past, most of all the fact that mickey is wielding starseeker which HE used BEFORE KH1 and KH2 because in those 2 he has the golden kingdom key and sora gets given it from master yen sid because it was HIS to give to his apprentices like mickey which he was a long time time ago. basically mickey cant have starseeker because sora has it and the golden kingdom key is so much more powerful and there’s proof that mickey used it when he was an apprentice of yen sids (i just repeated myself soz lol)
on 24 Jun 2007 at 8:40 am 336. Mixup
But, the Starseeker was not given to Sora by Yen Sid.
Sora got it from the three Fairies as an add on to the powers of his new clothes.
You say that there is so much evidence saying that it is in the past, but you really only said one thing just now.
On top of it all, you can’t get a Keyblade like the Starseeker without a normal Keyblade… Keyblades get their new powers and appearances from attaching a new Keychain to an existing Keyblade. Which means Mickey needed to have the Realm of Darkness’s Kingdom Key BEFORE he had the Starseeker. The King attached the Starseeker’s Chain to his Kingdom Key.
Again, I have to disagree with you about this being in the past. Given what I keep saying, and also what you guys are saying about this being in the past, AND the fact Nomura said this can be considered as being in the past AND future… I have a new theory.
This trailer really is in the future, however, all this has actually before… think of it as KW II (Keyblade War Two)
The Old guy we see in this is Xehanort, or perhaps even going back to my old theory of a Third Element, (another type of Heartless/Nobody creature) once again causing trouble as he has in the past 3 games, and once even before that.
Once again, though… I have to say this.
Even though the Starseeker is not the Keyblade we see Mickey using in the game, it IS still a Keyblade. And Mickey never got his Keyblade till after the start of KH1. This just CAN’T be in the past. Almost everything we see in the trailer is proven to be after the start of the first game.
And, yet again… a simple solution…
Xehanort in games = young
Xehanort in trailer = old
Do the math, guys.
I am done trying to convince you guys… I will continue to believe this is in the future until someone actually brings out proof, and I mean PROOF of this being in the past. Because, anything you can say, I will have an argument for.
Trust me. It is a never ending dispute.
You won’t believe me, and I won’t believe you.
I just hope that an official solution to this little debate comes out real soon, eh?
on 03 Jul 2007 at 9:22 pm 337. twilightgamer92
You want proof? Alright. Ansem wrote in his second report that Mickey came to him weiliding a keyblade. It could either Star Seeker or his Kingdom Key. Mickey also said told Riku in KHFM that he was sent to the realm of darkness and found the dark realm’s keyblade (his present keyblade). Mickey also said that he trained with Yen Sid, so that Star Seeker might’ve been given to him, but he lost it between when he visited Ansem and the events of KH1. Also, STAR SEEKER IS NOT JUST A KEYCHAIN! When Sora first went into Valor Form he first got Star Seeker. Goofy even said “two keyblades!” This means that Sora’s heart is linked to both Kingdom Key and Star Seeker. Also, why did you call Xehanort “Ignis?” That’s not his real name. Although you have a point. Earth, Wind, Water, and Fire are the four elements, but the worlds are made up of water, land and wind while fire doesn’t make up the world (unless you count heat). But Riku is japanese for land, Kairi is japanese for sea, and Sora is japanese for sky. But If your Ignis theory is correct, the next big villian may be named Hinote(japanese for fire).
on 04 Jul 2007 at 1:39 pm 338. twilightgamer92
But I have one more piece of evidence that it takes place in the past: Xemnas talked to Aqua’s armor before the events of KH1. How do you explain that? But know, after thinking about your Ignis theory and my theory that Riku is Terra’s reincarnation, Kairi is Aqua’s reincarnation, Sora is Ven’s reincarnation, I think that my OC Hinote is from the future and is Xehanort’s reincarnation. So, the next game might take place in both the past and the future. The secret ending could be Terra, Ven and Aqua fighting Xehanort and Hinote and at the end of it, Mickey comes with the Star Seeker and soon Sora (with both kingdom keys), Riku and Kairi will come to join the fight.
on 06 Jul 2007 at 1:07 am 339. KHscholar
Ok, I’ve read a lot of your replies and done a decent amount of research. I gather that the video where Ven, Aqua, and Terra fight an old man is indeed in the past. I also believe that the old man is in fact xehanort as well as ignis. You see, he is the fourth member and knight that betrays the other three because while the other three “chasers” seeked to find both darkness AND light, (why i cant say) Ignis was only searching for darkness, believing in its sheer power. This is why terra aboars Ignis, (also Xehanort). Now, the reason king mickey has the star seeker in his hands is because it is in the past, he fights alongside the three chasers wielding star seeker because, as Yen Sid said, it is his to give to his APPRENTICES, not his GRADUATES. Thus, starseeker is as generic a blade as the kingdom key. Only when king mickey mastered his own heart did he get his tru keyblade, which was the kingdom key in reverse (in other words, the true form of his heart was a keyblade that was as powerful as the generic kingdom keys were weak.) When Ven fights Ignis, he is frozen, and his keyblade shattered, which is why Sora, upon realizing his destiny in kingdom hearts 1, received not his own keyblade, but the generic kingdom key. (You see, by generic keyblade i mean it is an artificial shell that can be wielded by any strong heart, rather than a unique keyblade that can only be wielded by its true masters heart.)
Of course, we cannot assume Ignis defeated the chasers, but perhaps, he himself upon reaching kingdom hearts and opening it, became so powerful his own corruption was the end of him,and he was reincarnated into Xehanort, with no memories of what he was. Xehanort was then taken in by Ansem, who gave him the name Xehanort.
on 06 Jul 2007 at 1:17 am 340. KHscholar
In the trailer, when a large amount of words appear on screen almost at once, one of the phrases is “Memory of Xehanort”. I think what that means is that Xehanort shared Ignis’s obsession with wielding the power of darkness because his memories were never lost, as memories can never be lost, they simply became inaccessible, why still shaping the personality and heart of the character. He became split into a nobody and heartless, both of which you defeat. When Sora defeated his heart(or, the heartless form of him), he opened the door to the realm of darkness, which Riku and King Mickey entered and became trapped in. They eventually escaped, joining Sora in fighting with Xemnas, Xehanort’s nobody.
I agree that there is no third element. Heartless are with hearts and nobodies are with body and soul.
When you fight enigmatic soldier (Terra), you are fighting him in a timeless river fashion, in that you entered the past to fight him.
The scene where you see Xehanort possessing Aqua’s armor is significant in that it explains why Kairi is always without her memories. Since she is the reincarnation of Aqua, when Aqua was destroyed Kairi’s “chain of memories” were severed, meaning she could never truly realize all her memories (that is yet to be seen however, she might get them back in KH3).
These chasers arent their own seperate beings, they are humans with powerful hearts, and they are only called chasers because of their occupation, chasing after the darkness and light.
on 06 Jul 2007 at 1:18 am 341. KHscholar
Now, I know there may be holes in my argument, please feel free to discuss, thats what im here for.
on 06 Jul 2007 at 1:22 am 342. KHscholar
Oh, and one more thing, i think the keyblade having a keychain or not having a keychain is irrelevant, i think the chain is another metaphor for a person’s chain of memories, and a keyblade having a chain on it just means it is wielded by someone, and shares the wielder’s memories, while a chainless keyblade is one still looknig for a master, whether or not it is being wielded by one already.
on 06 Jul 2007 at 5:33 pm 343. twilightgamer92
Thanks for agreeing with me, KHscholar. But I do have some arguments. I think the Old Man is the real Xehanort and he made a deal with the Dark Soilder whom I believe is Ignis, who held the power of Balance (which is a special type of twilight where light and darkness are seperate instead of mixed.) During the Fight, Xehanort was feeding off Ignis’ power, which is why he looks like he does in KH1. However, Xehanort and Ignis killed Aqua and Ven, leaving Terra alone, without the will to go on. However, Terra fought Sora, twice, which motivated Xehanort to find and kill Xehanort and Ignis. However, Ignis was dying and Xehanort was feeding off Ignis’ darkness making him young. However, Terra and Xehanort fight and Terra is mortally wounded but he defeats and spares xehanort, using the power of light to send him to another land (Radiant Garden). A dying Terra sacrifices the rest of his life force to save Ignis, and with his dying breath tells Ignis he forgives him. Ignis thanks him and says that until he finds his darkness, he abandons the name Ignis and goes by Hinote.
on 06 Jul 2007 at 5:56 pm 344. twilightgamer92
But how could Kairi’s memories be rattled if Aqua is killed? If Kairi is Aqua’s reincarnation, then Aqua should’ve died around the time Kairi was born. Maybe when five-year-old Kairi really had a good look at Xehanort before she was sent to Destiny Island, one of Aqua’s memories appeared and rattled Kairi’s “chain of memories” and she lost all of hers except her name. But I do agree with your Star Seeker theory. But I think that when Ven’s keyblade snapped, the light and darkness in it were forged out of the remains to make the two Kingdom Keys. I think that Ven used twilight, Terra used light, and Aqua used darkness. Which, for Riku and Kairi is ironic because Kairi uses light, Aqua used darkness, Riku used darkness, Terra used light. Anyway, for the Star Seeker theory, Sora must weild Star Seeker until he is ready to take Mickey’s kingdom key and become the hero of Twilight.
on 06 Jul 2007 at 9:16 pm 345. KHscholar
Although it does seem to make sense that Terra might have been alone, i doubt that Ignis was the dark figure that phased out of the old man. I think people read too much into it that anything phases out of him. I think the old man is Ignis (who is later reincarnated into Xehanort), that dark figure that phases out of him is merely a manifestation of the darkness that Ignis had gained control over when he reached Kingdom Hearts ( in other words, its basically just a power he obtained because he mastered the darkness to such a degree that he could make a clone, a shell of him using his darkness). And i dont think Sora’s kingdom key is his own, like i said before the only reason mickey’s kingdom key is unique is because since disney kingdom is his own domain, it makes sense that a kingdom key in reverse would be his true keyblade( so basically, if everyone and their mother could wield a keyblade, the kingdom key would be the ones given to grunts and foot soldiers in disney kingdom). Sora’s kingdom key is not however his heart’s true form. I dont think Ven’s keyblade shattering has anything to do with the forging of the other keyblades, its only significance is that it explains why Sora would have to have started off with a weaker keyblade like the kingdom key while Kairi and Riku almost automatically received their own unique keyblades.
I doubt Xehanort would be gathering power from Ignis to make himself look younger, to put it plainly, i dont think Ignis would put up with that crap. I do agree however that Terra most likely lost the will to fight after Ven and Aqua were defeated. It explains his rambling when you fight him as a secret boss. I also disagree with Terra forgiving Ignis, i doubt anyone but the hero of the story would do something so benevolent after being betrayed and having his two closest allies murdered at his hands.
on 06 Jul 2007 at 9:35 pm 346. twilightgamer92
“i doubt anyone but the hero of the story would do something so benevolent after being betrayed and having his two closest allies murdered at his hands.”
Suppose Terra is the hero of the next game? Also, “I doubt Xehanort would be gathering power from Ignis to make himself look younger, to put it plainly, i dont think Ignis would put up with that crap.”
Xehanort has done this before. Xehanort managed to convince Riku to give into darkness and then he used his body. Maybe Xehanort did the same thing to Ignis, promising him ultimate power in exchange for becoming his guardian. KH1 Xehanort probably did the same thing.But you’re probably right about him getting the guardian after reaching Kingdom Hearts.
on 07 Jul 2007 at 5:05 am 347. KHscholar
[Maybe Xehanort did the same thing to Ignis, promising him ultimate power in exchange for becoming his guardian]
I doubt if Ignis reached Kingdom hearts he would even needed a guardian. Maybe this all ties in with Aqua, after all the only reason Xehanort corrupted Riku into being his guardian was because he wanted to divide the group (Sora, Riku and Kairi) so that he could take Kairi’s heart with more ease (the whole seven princesses of heart blah blah). If you’re correct about Xehanort corrupting Ignis, then perhaps the dark figure is Ignis, and Xehanort was trying to reach Aqua (why i cant say, maybe something significant about her armor since he is found talking to it before the first game, or perhaps she was one of the last generation’s seven princesses of heart?).
on 08 Jul 2007 at 11:19 pm 348. twilightgamer92
[If you’re correct about Xehanort corrupting Ignis, then perhaps the dark figure is Ignis, and Xehanort was trying to reach Aqua (why i cant say, maybe something significant about her armor since he is found talking to it before the first game, or perhaps she was one of the last generation’s seven princesses of heart?)]
I’m not sure that Aqua was a princess of heart, unless there are princess of darkness. In the first movie, Agua picked up mickey’s keyblade. That keyblade was the realm of darkness’ keyblade, so Aqua might’ve been the Chaser of Darkness. Same goes for Terra and Ven. Terra picked up Sora’s keyblade, making him the Chaser of Light, and Ven picked up Riku’s keyblade, making him the Chaser of Twilight.
on 09 Jul 2007 at 5:39 am 349. KHscholar
I doubt each chaser is chasing a different thing. If so, then what would Ignis be chasing after that was so different from the rest that he had to betray them? No, I think the chasers chased after all three elements, not in a search for power but to preserve balance. Ignis however, was searching only for darkness, which is what led him to betraying his friends and allowing Xehanort to corrupt him.
on 09 Jul 2007 at 2:04 pm 350. twilightgamer92
Maybe your right about them each chasing a different thing, but maybe Ignis tried to chase light, darkness, and twilight. I don’t know. Maybe you’re right about them all chasing light and darkness and and Ignis only went for darkness. BTW, if the old guy were Ignis, how could he be reincarnated into Xehanort so quickly? Xehanort was a man when Ansem found him, so maybe Xehanort did feed off Ignis power to make him younger but Terra defeated to him and destroyed most of his memory.