Riku on 01 Apr 2007 06:58 pm
FM: Enigmatic Soldier Battle
“Aqua… Ven… Keyblade… who are you? I can feel it… we have met before… it was when… No… it isn’t you… It isn’t you that I have chosen… Why is it not him… Xe… ha… nort… is that you? Xeha… nort… Xehanort!”
Thanks to Xevorili.
Final Mix: Secret Boss (Enigmatic Soldier) Defeated! (Aftermath)
Enigmatic Soldier: I see. Your strength is… What I sensed in you is…
(When returning for a rematch:)
Enigmatic Soldier: So you have returned, young Keyblade user. I have no further power to give you. All I have is my hatred towards Xehanort. Will you allow me to engrave that into your heart?
on 02 Apr 2007 at 1:12 pm 1. Drake
*stares at it like…….*
on 02 Apr 2007 at 10:45 pm 2. Phoenix
Uh, yeah… Not to be a lazy, poor american college student, but what the heck happens when you beat him?!
on 03 Apr 2007 at 1:20 pm 3. V.o.E
OH my god! I laughed out loud when I saw that. That knite is insanely powerful. I like that guy, but is he the same knite as in the extended movie?
on 03 Apr 2007 at 11:26 pm 4. Dinnomicx
I am going to have fun when this comes out. Arhhhhhhh. come on! I need a release date!
on 04 Apr 2007 at 9:20 pm 5. I Know Everything
sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can’t WAIT til kingdom hearts 2 final mix+ comes out in canada and CANADA gets EVERYTHING second right after the U.S.A hahahahahaha!
on 04 Apr 2007 at 9:22 pm 6. I Know Everything
that knite is the same knite from the extended movie V.o.E
on 04 Apr 2007 at 11:03 pm 7. Sam
When is it coming out for america?
on 04 Apr 2007 at 11:54 pm 8. eric
KH2 Final Mix+ isn’t coming out in North America, stupid!
on 05 Apr 2007 at 3:32 am 9. Zero the god of destruction
YES IT IS!!!!!!!!! IT IS COMING OUT SOME TIME THIS YEAR IN SEPTEMBER!!!!!! WE CAN FIGHT THE KEYBLADE DEMI-GOD OF THE SECRET VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!
on 05 Apr 2007 at 4:19 am 10. Sergio
When I get this game that Knite is toast
on 05 Apr 2007 at 5:46 am 11. Fayte
None of the Final Mix’s are nor will be released in North America. This is because the Japanese versions of the original games were lacking a lot of the things in the English versions. So to make up for it they came out with the Final Mix versions of the games. If you want to play a Final Mix version then you’re going to have to get a mod chip for your console or go to Japan. >.>’
and FYI.. It’s spelled Knight. not Knite
on 05 Apr 2007 at 7:01 am 12. Thimien
Something tells me that this final Mix will come out in USA and Europe, the 1st Final mix fair enouth their wasnt enouth material, and after a market study they realised not many people would buy the 1st final Mix. But this one has so much stuff and all the new batles + Chain of memories 3D, iv heard that Final Mix 2 will be coming out worldwide, because KH won so many more fans after KH2, that they went and got the 1st game. Im not sure that its going to come out here, but i sure hope so.
on 05 Apr 2007 at 9:31 am 13. Sora`s friends
it’s look like is so hard to defeat that keyblade armor, whew… i want to work to buy it..
on 05 Apr 2007 at 11:34 am 14. zerox505
that knight was insanely strong… and by the way when you beat kh com you get ansem report 0
on 05 Apr 2007 at 3:18 pm 15. Chez
While its true that normally final mixs dont come out in North America this one has a chance, nomura himself stated that he would like to see a world wide release of this came, and lets face it, if the creator wants it there is a good chance it will happen. However, Chain of Memories is a gamboy advance game, and the rules in North America in regards to switching systems are different than in Japan. Understandably, game boy may no want to give up their rights to that game.
The first kingdom hearts final mix that was released in Japan had most of the extras that the North American release got, thats why we didnt get it again, it would have been redundant. This one however, has things that we haven’t even dreamed of seeing…so once again, there is a chance…we just have to wait and see.
BTW Eric, dont call people stupid, its demeaning to yourself and others.
on 05 Apr 2007 at 8:03 pm 16. i dont kno
someone post Report 0
on 05 Apr 2007 at 8:45 pm 17. Dinnomicx
I agree with chez,eric,. Do’nt call people stupid. You think it degrades others but you are only degradeing yourself.
on 05 Apr 2007 at 10:56 pm 18. Yamani
Though it’s not confirmed by Square-Enix, several sorces say that it is to be released in North America during the fall. At least that was what I last heard.
I’m SOO looking foreward to it!!
on 05 Apr 2007 at 11:22 pm 19. creamm
That battle is amazing and extremely hard to beat!
on 05 Apr 2007 at 11:32 pm 20. Lyeius
Actually, the supposed date that KH2FM+ is probably coming out in Fall 2007, however, Square Enix has not approved of this date. However, this proves that KH2FM+ is most likely coming out in North America, and, if everything goes well, we’ll have it by the end of this year.
on 06 Apr 2007 at 12:13 am 21. shadow sora
my brother has three copies of the game now all we need is a japanese PS2 or a computer chip or somthing but my brother thinks useing chips on games are iilligal or somthin i wish i could get a japaneese PS2 and play it already.
on 06 Apr 2007 at 1:10 am 22. Dinnomicx
Shadow sora, belive me. Go to a any shop site and type in swap magic. It is really easy to use. It makes any imported games work. I have it. But I don’t want to import it now because I don,t know if Final mix will relase in america. I don’t want to buy it twice. It would be a waste of moeny.
on 06 Apr 2007 at 2:33 am 23. Millenious
wat i wanna know is wat the heck it says u get when u beat the “holy @$#!” character
on 06 Apr 2007 at 4:34 am 24. XasteriskX
You guy’s are spelling Knight wrong. The game is coming out in America this fall…and It’s not the same one from the extended ending. It’s someone we haven’t met. No one in the extended ending has a keyblade with a blue hilt guard. Nor golden and red armor. They all had black, grey, and dark blue…except for the evil one.
on 06 Apr 2007 at 4:59 am 25. you people are idiots
omg are you serious, its the exact same keyblade, same knight, they just didnt add the color in the video cus it would take away from the effect
on 06 Apr 2007 at 7:13 am 26. --kyaku
that, frozen guy who died in the FM secret ending, does he have any relation to Sora? i mean.. Sora’s nobody/Roxas && himself look nothing alike, the only basic similarity is the height.
The Enigmatic Soldier said, and i quote: “I can feel it… we have met before… it was when… No… it isn’t you… It isn’t you that I have chosen…” then afterwards saying “Your strength is… What I sensed in you is…”
it could mean that sora was chosen to weild the keyblade because of whatever relation he has to the one who died.
Either im getting somewhere, or im crazy and dont know what im going on about haha [:
on 06 Apr 2007 at 7:21 am 27. --kyaku
oh && i forgot to add the close resemblence in apearance with the guy who died who i shall name Ven if that & Aqua are the names of the other two chasers in the secret ending
on 06 Apr 2007 at 2:02 pm 28. Sora`s friends
tetsuya nomura is good he put a opponent that much stronger that the main characters..i gonna do some strategy to defeat it
on 06 Apr 2007 at 3:44 pm 29. shadow sora
you know what i really wannah see the armourd guy and sephoroth in a battle that would be hot.
on 06 Apr 2007 at 3:54 pm 30. shadow sora
i dont get it y could sora fly in the game the last time we were able to do that it was kh1 in never land with peter pan
on 06 Apr 2007 at 7:19 pm 31. girodc
Actually, in the secret video, the guy getting his helmet crushed had the exact same eyes as sora, and if you notice, one of the knights were female, suggesting it could be… sora riku and kairi, seeing as one of the knights had the same keyblade as riku and as for the othere one, the female…i dont know, seing as this one wields two keyblades… CONCLUSION: the 3 knights are probably riku, sora and kairi.
on 06 Apr 2007 at 8:11 pm 32. darkkeyblade master
first off genius the guy who looks like roxas didnt die if u noticed after he got frozen and thrown off the cliff and the blue haired chick caught him they did a close up of his face and his eyes was moving back and forth under the ice he isnt dead just frozzen solid
on 06 Apr 2007 at 8:13 pm 33. darkkeyblade master
but that solider that sora fought sure does look exactly like the soldier from the ff3 trailer and u know they always change the colors in kh to make it look more happy and cherry like ff7 advent was mad dark but when they was in kh they looked more colorfull thats the disney influence on the game so it probably is they same person from the trailer that sora fights
on 06 Apr 2007 at 8:17 pm 34. darkkeyblade master
girodic makes sense they look kairi riku and sora but the maker said it was them but wasnt them so he but the big dude who looks sorta like riku and u saw his eyes turn from blue to yellow so it looks like hes sorta bad like riku they got a girl who looks kind and everything casue she put the shield around the big guy and then caught the little guy when he got frozen and then they have the guy with blond hair who looks like roxas who is basically sora so we basically got riku kairi and sora but the main prob is there gettin there a$$ kicked by that old man
on 06 Apr 2007 at 8:19 pm 35. darkkeyblade master
oh yeah and we got king mickey and when the old man split into two and the second one changed his clothes/armor sorta looked like the dark heartless armor riku had on when him and sora fought in hollow bastion in kh1
on 06 Apr 2007 at 11:49 pm 36. Numder 14. Doxyc
This Knight, he’s what’s called a Chaser I believe. I leanred much about these “knights” There were 3 of them as you saw picking up Kingdom, Requiem, and Way to the Dawn Keyblades then we saw a fourth person emerging from the dust. I believe that figure…is Xehanort, the weilder of the dark keyblade Riku used when Xehanort’s heartless invaded his heart. Afterwards Xehanort lost his memory and found Ansem the Wise. With his new accomplices Braig, Dillan, Even, Ienzo, and (the other guy, what’s his face) he regained it after unleashing his heartless and nobody. Mickey heard this and summoned for Sora, Riku, and Kairi immediatly as seen at the end of KH2. Remember when Roxas used Naminee’s crayon and sketches to finish the drawing in the mansion at Twilight Town? We never got to see what symbol was drawn this the Heartless and Nobody symbol.Pherhaps these “chasers” are knights of Kingdom hearts. What’s a kingdom without knights…and a king…? By the way, I got to thinking about Sora’s necklace. It’s the symbol for Kingdom Hearts, yet he has never left that island until the Heartless invaded. I’m just taking a long shot guess, because that chaser looked a lot like Sora, That is either Sora from the future…or Sora’s Father and he gave him the necklace as a momento as a kid. Just educated guesses. And will someone please for the love of god put Ansem’s Report 0 here for al of us to read and understand…to an extent.
on 06 Apr 2007 at 11:52 pm 37. Nal
could Ven have been mis-translated from Vene… Vexen from the Organization
on 06 Apr 2007 at 11:53 pm 38. Nal
or even
on 06 Apr 2007 at 11:56 pm 39. Nal
what is the item u get 4 winning
on 07 Apr 2007 at 6:03 am 40. Tyler
check this out:
Vexen = Even
Zexion = Ienzo
Lexaeus = Eleaus
Xigbar = Braig
Read the secret ansem reports guys. it talks about
Even, Ienzo, Eleaus, and Braig. That’s gotta be
something to think about for a while.
oh and…Xehanort = No heart
on 07 Apr 2007 at 1:00 pm 41. Diyablo
The item you get for winning is Limit form
+ Xaldin = Dilan
Also Xehanort can also be aranged to ‘Another’ as well as ‘no heart’ but ‘another’ is what we see Xemnas type into the computer in one of the new FM+ scenes. Interestin, eh?
on 07 Apr 2007 at 2:39 pm 42. Nal
But Xehanort took Ansem’s name(IDENTITY THEFT) so did his heartless and nobody
Xemnas= Ansem—Names
on 07 Apr 2007 at 3:58 pm 43. you white people are stupid
you white people are stupid!!!! we asians kill you!!! well, not really but in kh, we sure do!!! >=D
on 07 Apr 2007 at 8:38 pm 44. Roxas is the Man!!!
i hate this web site i registered as Roxas is the Man, and Roxas is the Man II. bechause i acsadentaley spelt my email rong twice and i did not get the confermation on the password could some body help me with this
on 08 Apr 2007 at 12:44 am 45. kool kid
if you havent this one movie on this website
the main guy the three knights vs. might possibly
be ansem. because of his clothes.two knights are probably nobodies of other people that will be in the 3rd kh. the last knight is roxas.the other guy with ansem is the same person but with rikus dark suit in kingdom hearts1.
on 08 Apr 2007 at 8:31 am 46. Kairi
when is Kingdom Hearts III coming out? Don’t you think then Riku is well cute in Kingdom Hearts II? I do!!!!! Can someone answer this question for me:
In Kingdom Hearts II, Riku turnes himsalf into Xehounaught, does that mean that it was Riku i defeated at the and of Kingdom Hearts I or was it actully Xehounaught? I’M CONFUSED!!!
on 08 Apr 2007 at 1:09 pm 47. sora
I hope it comes out in Ireland
on 08 Apr 2007 at 1:10 pm 48. sora
I realy hope kh 2 final mix will come out in ireland
on 08 Apr 2007 at 1:12 pm 49. kevin
of course it will come out in Ireland
on 08 Apr 2007 at 6:45 pm 50. aqua
My guess is that it will come out in at least another year, because square enix has projects, and it will take a certain amount of tim to translate re chain of memories, and voice acting for kh2 fin. mix new scenes if they where allowed and if where not a waste of time.
on 09 Apr 2007 at 12:43 am 51. Xalnon
This new wrinkle gives me chills. It makes me wonder what new direction will Kingdom Hearts take? But geez louise, that guy’s strong!
on 09 Apr 2007 at 8:40 am 52. Lyxil
Something isn’t translated in the third vid : At the end of the battle Sora won a “evidence (or proof? I’m not Canadian or American so ^^’) that he won a difficult fight”.
on 09 Apr 2007 at 10:10 am 53. UBER CONFUSED
Umm this may sound REALLY thick of me
but how do u reach the point of that random dark hole to kill the guy in armour
on 09 Apr 2007 at 10:14 am 54. UBER CONFUSED
o and howd u get those ube cool Weapons for gofy and Donald
on 09 Apr 2007 at 7:06 pm 55. crystaldragoon
KH3 is going to take a while to come out. i read on the square site that the KH team is currently working on FF versus XIII and plans to complete it first. KH3 is also most likely going to be a PS3 release
on 09 Apr 2007 at 7:32 pm 56. Jack
ok theroy so far about the Fm secret ending
Frozen guy= Roxas (buts hes not ded cos his eyes are moving so hes badly injured)
Brown Hair guy with glowy eyes= His names Ven (i think)
Blue haired girl= Her name is Aqua and i think over their experiences roxas and aqua become good good (if you know what i mean) freinds because of the way they looked at each other b4 roxas went poof.
They are good freinds and all are nobies from certain charac from different backrounds or from characters in KH 1 & 2. They come to the location they are at in secret ending to stop the boldy bad guy. The boldy bad guy has definatly got something to do with Xehornot (what ever its spelt like) or ansem because hes got a keyblade of some sort and he wears the same clothes as ansem fake from KH 1. Boldy has his hench guy who i think is a heartless version of one of the knights (maybe just a random one) and thats why he works for him. Boldy comes to this location to open kingdom hearts with the heart he gets probebly from a important person (not roxas cos i dont think hes ded)and he comes here because there is also a castle (someway special) under KH which is seen at the end and this is probebly got to do with unlocking KH aswell. Mickey is in this also because of course hes gottas come save the day and the keyblade war is probebly how roxas and co became knights and the best idea i have about why it happened is the fact that it isnt a war that suddenly happen but its a war thats been going on for generations and theres been millions of keyblade masters that have been and gone fighting the heartless and darkness but either never to win over the other.all the keyblades are probebly from all the previous keyblade masters. Lastly i dont think the keybladed weilders in the fottage have any keychains on them so i think that thats a sign that they are heartless or nobodies.
on 09 Apr 2007 at 7:45 pm 57. Jack
lol scary aswell im comment 56 and thats my house numder XD
on 09 Apr 2007 at 7:52 pm 58. Joe Broenie
…he kinda looks like batman.
on 09 Apr 2007 at 10:28 pm 59. Sora
Your all stupid idiots hahahahahaha
on 10 Apr 2007 at 1:40 am 60. UBER CONFUSED
Umm im desperate how do u get vs all the org 13 guys is that only on japanese version?? PLZ and how to get limt/ and vs ES
on 10 Apr 2007 at 10:08 am 61. Varxtis
Actually. . . Rewatch the initial KH II Secret Movie. one of the keyblades that the knight pull was the kingdom key, you can see the Mickey Mouse Head Key Chain. You’ll also notice that Rikus (I’ll call it…) dark keyblade is there too. Originally, the assumptions were that the knights were Sora, (because of the kingdom key) Riku (because the Dark Keyblade) and Kairi (merely because of the feministic features). Also, the knight that is fought in the KH II FM game IS the knight in the secret ending video. Ones again emphasising the original secret ending. . . The first knight to appear in the video IS holding that same keyblade as the one fought in FM.
Questions about Xehanort/Heartless Ansem/Xemnas.
First question - Is the imposter Ansem (the heartless Ansem Defeated in KH I) really a heartless. The reason I ask is because in Ansems real reports in KH 2. . .(I can’t remember which report) but the heartless with ensignias/Emblems were said to be synthetic. Fakes from what it sounded like. So. . .was it it even a real heartless in the first place?
Second question - Every Nobody is basically the spelling (jumbled of coarse) of its “other” +X, right? When Ansem initially was writting his REAL Reports, he wrote about being stuck in the void. I can only assume that he got into the same situation as Sora and fell into darkness for a short time. If thats so, then could Xemnas (possibly) actually be his Nobody? If speculation is right. . . and Xehanort was actually a Nobody himself (”another” +X or “no heart” +X or whatever) then that would make Xemnas a Nobody of. . . a Nobody? o.O?? I know KH has some funky Plot twists. . . but a nobody of a nobody seems too weird.
on 10 Apr 2007 at 2:44 pm 62. Shakespeare
Vartix:
In regards to your first question, a Shadow and a Neoshadow, and presumably a Dark Ball, are all ‘natural’ Heartless. All the other Heartless you saw were ‘Emblems’, Heartless created under artificial conditions. They’re not ‘fake’, but they wouldn’t have occured naturally. But yes, KH1!Ansem was really a Heartless. The difference between him and most Heartless was he willingly became one. Thus, he retained all his personality and such. Sora was the same; he became a Shadow, but he was still Sora.
For your second question, not EVERY Nobody has their name rearranged + X, just the members of Organization XIII (One of the Secret Ansem Reports makes mention of the fact that the names of the Organization members label them as part of a ‘brotherhood’). Namine, after all, is Kairi’s Nobody, and her name isn’t rearranged from Kairi. And as we know, ‘Xehanort’ rearranges to ‘Another X’, since everything about him, like an X, was unknown. Ansem the Wise never became a Heartless, rather he acted similar to Riku and probably just accepted the Darkness, rather than get swallowed by it. Xemnas couldn’t be Ansem the Wise’s Nobody because Xemnas (and Ansem the Wise himself) made it clear that he was Xehanort’s Nobody, created after Xehanort had started using the name Ansem and had banished Ansem the Wise to the Corridors of Darkness.
Mickey Mouse: Ansem the Wise. Why didn’t you come to me before things got so bad?
Ansem the Wise: Xemnas, the Organization’s Superior, is the Nobody of Xehanort, my foremost apprentice. The burden was mine to bear.
Xemnas: Students do take after their teachers. Only a fool would be your apprentice. After all, none of this would have happened without you. YOU are the source of all Heartless. It was your research that inspired me to go further than you ever dared.
DiZ: I admit… my disregard brought chaos to more worlds than one. But what were YOU seeking? You erased me from the world, only to take my name and continue research better left forgotten… Is this the answer you’ve been looking for?
Xemnas: All that and more. I’m carrying on what you yourself began, and I’m creating a brand new world, one heart at a time. I thought you’d praise me, but all you ever do is hold me back. I understand, though. Unlike me, you have a heart. And you’re powerless to control it. Consumed, by the jealousy you feel toward the student who surpassed you.
(Quotes taken from IMDb.com)
I don’t think that both Ansem the Wise and Xemnas would be that misinformed of their own identities.
on 10 Apr 2007 at 6:11 pm 63. Varxtis
HAHAHA
True . . . true.
Wow, all my questions addressed and answered. Awesome.
Thank you very much.
on 10 Apr 2007 at 8:39 pm 64. knightblazer85
Here’s a theory.
there are actually supposed to be 4 key barrers
one of light
one of dark
one of dawn (both light and dark but leaning to the light)
and one of twilight (light + dark but welling in the darkness like riku
on 10 Apr 2007 at 10:48 pm 65. SoraRoxas
I need subtitles cool battle though when does it come to the U.S.
on 11 Apr 2007 at 1:37 am 66. Shakespeare
Yup. And I managed to do it all between pretending to be working during my Multimedia Projects class lecture. XDDD
The only connection between Kairi and Naminé’s names is only apparent if you know Japanese.
The kanji for ocean is ‘海’. It’s Japanese reading is ‘umi’, ‘ocean’. However, the Onyomi is ‘Kai’. This makes perfect sense, since ‘Riku’ is Japanese for ’shore, land’ and ‘Sora’ is Japanese for ‘Sky’. (Another water-related ‘Kai’ is ‘貝’, ’shell’. The word ‘Kairi’ itself apparently also means ‘nautical mile’ and, more related to the game, ’separation’. Interesting…)
Then we come to Naminé. The word for ‘wave’ is ‘波’, ‘Nami’ (as in ‘Tsunami’, ‘Harbor Wave’). So there’s the connection between THOSE two.
on 11 Apr 2007 at 3:22 am 67. James
Xehanort was at one time human, but when he became a heartless, Xemnas was born
so Xemnas is in fact Xehanort’s nobody
on 11 Apr 2007 at 3:56 am 68. Shakespeare
Who was it that said that because the Keyblades in the video didn’t have key chains, the wielders must be Heartless/Nobodies? I don’t follow that logic. I mean, Roxas used Keyblades that had key chains. (Granted, he used Oathkeeper and Oblivion, but they still had chains.)
I just want to know what the reasoning is behind that.
And in regards to post #37, ‘Ven’ isn’t a mistranslation. I took a look at the footage a few days ago, and there’s no other way to translate ‘ヴェン’. (Really, it’s quite literal.)
on 11 Apr 2007 at 4:22 am 69. Sephiroth
Umm Could I please get some tips to getting to vsing ES And getting that wicking keyblade I’m REALLY desperate and I would thank you for any tips AT ALL
Thanks
on 11 Apr 2007 at 5:30 am 70. Varxtis
James,
Just out of curiosity. . . What reasoning do you have to say that he was human the whole time. Granted, the only thing that leads to believe otherwise was the things ansem said in his REAL reports about Xehanort, something along the lines of being superhuman, which that doesn’t mean anything definite. But regardless. . . I don’t think there was ever anything quoted that would allow anyone to make a certified assumption that he was actually Human. I do however believe you about the fact that Xemnas was infact Xehanorts nobody (primarily because information provided by Shakespeare)
Shakespeare. . . I think the main comment that was made about 2 knights being nobodies was comment 45.
Just for fun
Any body want to throw out their thoughts on why we see Roxas, when he was supposedly merged into Sora?
My take - its that one theory where its generation down the road in the keyblade wars and sora, well. . . being that he’s human, didn’t live generation. So Roxas had to seperate. Seems too simple to be part of this story line, but anyway.
And whats up with Ven? was it just me or was his face actually changing at the the last shot of him in the video?
Besides what the knight says to sora in KH II FM regarding Ven and Aqua, is there ever any other mention of these two? Am I allowed to keep asking question in this field or do I have to go to the Forums?
on 11 Apr 2007 at 5:41 am 71. Ranyx
No eric…you are the stupid one……as much as you think you can insult others the only incolant one here is you.
on 11 Apr 2007 at 11:14 pm 72. Senshin
I have a question, what was it you receive for beating the ES?
on 12 Apr 2007 at 12:12 am 73. Soriku
This fight…. Is awsome!!! XD.. Cant wait to fight him.
on 12 Apr 2007 at 6:27 am 74. Shakespeare
Senshin, I think you receive that Limit form that is shown on the front page (posted on April 6th).
I just remembered seeing that comment somewhere on the page of posts, and wanted to hear the theory about the missing keychains. I personally think that if you were to remove the key chain from a Keyblade, it wouldn’t really change the Keyblade. I mean, all of the Keyblades you receive in the game are in Keychain form, which when equipped to a Keyblade, changes the weapon’s form. Sora’s not literally toting around 15 Keyblades. (Think about how cool that would be, though…you could totally use Omnislash v. 5 on Sephiroth…)
Varxtis:
Do you mean at the end of KH2 during the final cut scene, where Sora kinda flashes in to Roxas, and Kairi kinda flashes into Naminé? I personally think it’s just to show that those two didn’t disappear, like all the other Nobodies. Somehow, somewhere, there is a way for Nobodies to be happy; it’s just not what Xemnas had in mind. I don’t think there’s anything deeper than that.
And since both ‘Ven’ and ‘Aqua’ are Latin in origin, I think it’s safe to assume that the ES’s name is related to earth, just as Riku’s name is (possibly a masculine form of ‘Terra’? The English-Latin translator I’m looking at on the University of Notre Dame website says ‘Terra’ is feminine…anyone who’s better at Latin feel free to correct me). This makes the arrangement of Xehanort into ‘Another’ (sans ‘X’) make even more sense, since Sora, Riku and Kairi are a group of just 3. They don’t have ‘another’.
Geez, I always post novels on here, don’t I?
on 12 Apr 2007 at 8:50 pm 75. roxas reborn
this is a hard fight
on 13 Apr 2007 at 12:10 am 76. lionheart
i agree with varxtis. a nobody of a noody is to wierd even for KH.but KH also leaves you guessing on what is going to happen next so it might be possible
on 13 Apr 2007 at 12:12 am 77. lionheart
that fight looked mad hard.
question the keyblad that the guy used was that the fenrir? my brother reset my file just after i beat sephiroth and i didn’t get a chance to see what it looked like.
on 13 Apr 2007 at 1:47 am 78. dee boy
IIIIIIIII NNNNEEEEEEDDDD TTTHHAAATTT GGAAMMEE!!!!!!!!!!
on 13 Apr 2007 at 3:19 pm 79. J.D.
In response to quote 61. In the Ansem reports from the first KH. The reports that Xehanort wrote. He says that he was working on a way to make an artificial heart. In the secret movie of KHII Final Mix, that old guy splits himself into two people, himself and that guy in the black costume. I think that guy in the black costume is Xehanort, and that he lost his memories in that battle with the three knights. He was probably the nobody of that old guy, and the old guy was a heartless. So, back to what I was saying.Xehanort created an artificial heart and used it as his own. So he became whole again, but when he became a heartless again, he also got a nobody. And he only took the name Ansem because Ansem the Wise was a powerful man.
on 13 Apr 2007 at 3:43 pm 80. J.D.
Okay, you people are killing me. I’m going to explain what I know so far. The secret movie in KHII Final MIx takes place in the past, maybe about ten to fifteen years ago. The girl knight with blue hair is named Aqua. The other knight that looks like Roxas is named Ven. I believe that these two knights are actually the parents of Sora and Riku. Because they both seem to be very close. And it would make sense b/c the girl looks a bit like Riku, and the guy looks like Roxas who in turn looks like Sora. The old guy is someone that mastered his heart and separated himself into a heartless and nobody. The nobody was Xehanort, and the old gut was the heartless. After the battle, Xehanort lost his memory. Then he continued research of the heart even though Ansem the Wise told him to stop. He created an artificial hearts for him to use. He become a whole person again. Then he became a heartless again and that gave birth to Xemnas also. I dont know who the main knight is, but I know he isnt a bad guy, even though his eyes changed at the end of the secret movie. He just started to use the power of darkness to save his friends Aqua and Ven. But something happened to them. According to a scene I saw from KHII Final Mix. Xemnas was holding Aqua in a room called the room of sleep. And apparently, there is another room called the room of awakening where the other knight ven is being held. The main knight has been looking for them. Thats why in the cutscene before you fight him in KHII FM, he says “Aqua…. Ven….” And he says that he was looking for Xehanort. After you beat him, he’s impressed with sora,and he tells Sora that he absolutely hates Xehanort. And I know he say “Your not the one I chose” But I think he only means that he wanted to bring Xehanort to him, but he got Sora instead. That’s all I know so far, And I know I’m right so dont test me.
on 13 Apr 2007 at 11:53 pm 81. Joe Broenie
well, like the guy mentioned before me, like how it could possibly take place in the past, perhaps, instead of travelling to different planets, they travel to different time periods in this one?
on 14 Apr 2007 at 1:17 pm 82. KH£3 FAN
Itis crazy the parent of riku and sora and wat did happend with kairi.And is saw the video kh2 fm secret ending and at the last of the video i saw mikey.I think hes joking.
on 14 Apr 2007 at 2:35 pm 83. herpo
I believe that the tallest knight in the final mix secret ending is actually the first human form of Xehanort who in order to save his teammates Aqua and Ven gave in to the darkness and became a Heartless(he actually looks like Ansem in KH1,same hairstyle and yellow eyes!).When the old guy was defeated the tallest knight’s/Xehanort’s heartless was found by Ansem the Wise who took the libery of generating an artificial heart for him(or even naming him ,as he had lost his memories-Xehanort,no heart).
Thus Xehanort the apprentice was born,who would later become willingly a heartless(Ansem)and a Nobody(Xemnas).With Ansem defeated, Xemnas the Nobody was trying to restore his memory and found Aqua,without fully understanding that he was once intact and good.That’s why he calls her friend and keeps her in the Room of Sleep.
However when the young Xehanort,the tallest knight, who gave in to the darkness in order to save Aqua and Ven in the secret ending became a heartless,a nobody was also formed.That Nobody is I believe the knight Sora finds in KH3 Final Mix and with whom he battles.That’s why that knight looks for Xehanort,because like all Nobodies he wishes to be whole again.
Please tell me what do you think!!
on 14 Apr 2007 at 10:11 pm 84. sorasbestfriend
here what i think. 1 takes place in past 2 old guy is xenhort ( askin then how can it b in past hang on ill get 2 that ) 3. as we know the 3 armored unknowns r not ppl we know. well heres my theory. takes place probably about 20 years b4 kh1 has to cuz mickey is alive at the end anyway. old guy ( xenhort ) uses all of the keyblades to open a path to kingdom hearts when he flicks his wrist and stuff. the 3 soldiers r saixs person ( from b4 he was a nobody ) the other guy is roxas 1 ( not sora mayb somehow roxas had a conenction 2 sora after somwething happened and hr had 2 stages as a nobody the girl COULD b larxenes nobody ( kinda looks like her ) and after old guy owns them he uses KHs power to turn young again as about the age of when hes ansems apprentice. while his replica stays real and young he turns the 3 sooldiers and himself into nobodys therefore starting Org 13. they were mickeys soldiers he came to c while he was trainin from yen-sid nad cs that they fail and rushes into battle and destroys all keyblades except for a few which go to certain ppl so it would b much harder for evil to open KH to its full powr again so its amixed plot but mayb. leave a comment of what u think on youtube.com/ryanX2rocks
on 15 Apr 2007 at 10:49 pm 85. Wondering about the next Keyblade series
Here is what I believe, take it as you will.
Tallest Knight=Sora he has the looks the eyes and the hair of sora. Blue-haired= Unknown. Young Knight= Roxas, this is obvious as the looks give away why I would think this.
Plot:
The area they are in is a valley were all Keyblades both discovered and undiscovered are before and after they are summoned, The old man is Xeanort in whole or an evil Riku, the Dark Soldier is simply a copy of the old man or, If the old man is Xeanort, Riku, under mind control or simply turned evil. I say this takes place in the future because Riku, Mickey, and Sora’s keyblades were gathered in one area when the Kinghts drew them whilst the others were placed around them like a crossroad. These are my
on 15 Apr 2007 at 10:49 pm 86. Wondering about the next Keyblade series
Here is what I believe, take it as you will.
Tallest Knight=Sora he has the looks the eyes and the hair of sora. Blue-haired= Unknown. Young Knight= Roxas, this is obvious as the looks give away why I would think this.
Plot:
The area they are in is a valley were all Keyblades both discovered and undiscovered are before and after they are summoned, The old man is Xeanort in whole or an evil Riku, the Dark Soldier is simply a copy of the old man or, If the old man is Xeanort, Riku, under mind control or simply turned evil. I say this takes place in the future because Riku, Mickey, and Sora’s keyblades were gathered in one area when the Kinghts drew them whilst the others were placed around them like a crossroad. These are my
on 15 Apr 2007 at 11:19 pm 87. ej
JD i like your research on the secret ending it seems the most sensable you seem to know the most so i want you to tell me what you think about my theories.
Theory number1: the bald guy the 3 nights are fighting and the guy in the suit are ansems nobody and heartless this is why i think that in kh2 when ansem was holding the machine he tried to harvest kingdomhearts with and it blew up instead of it killing him it turned him into a heartless and the bald guy is the nobody they somehow figured out how to bond to each other so that they could seperate when fighting.This would also explain why at the end of the cutscene mickey showed up he went to fight ansems nobody and heartless so that if he defeated them ansem would come back.
theory 2: do you remember the cutscene where sora and roxas are fighting and at the end roxas says you would make a good other? maybe the 3 knights in the cutscene are others a new character to be put in kh3?
Theory 3: the tall knight is (was?) ansem that would explain why his eyes turned yellow.
on 15 Apr 2007 at 11:20 pm 88. ej
JD i like your research on the secret ending it seems the most sensable you seem to know the most so i want you to tell me what you think about my theories.
Theory number1: the bald guy the 3 nights are fighting and the guy in the suit are ansems nobody and heartless this is why i think that in kh2 when ansem was holding the machine he tried to harvest kingdomhearts with and it blew up instead of it killing him it turned him into a heartless and the bald guy is the nobody they somehow figured out how to bond to each other so that they could seperate when fighting.This would also explain why at the end of the cutscene mickey showed up he went to fight ansems nobody and heartless so that if he defeated them ansem would come back.
theory 2: do you remember the cutscene where sora and roxas are fighting and at the end roxas says you would make a good other? maybe the 3 knights in the cutscene are others a new character to be put in kh3?
Theory 3: the tall knight is (was?) ansem that would explain why his eyes turned yellow.
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on 16 Apr 2007 at 9:38 pm 89. Bill boy
what a big health bar
on 17 Apr 2007 at 12:31 am 90. sorasbestfriend
well it cant b sora riku or kairi or roxas mayb a connection 2 them but nomura specificialy announced that bsides PS2 kh days r over
and i cant afford a PS3 sux4me lol hopefully hell change his idea and bring it back to PS2 and soon KH2FM+ better come
on 17 Apr 2007 at 1:11 am 91. Haiku
Well here is my facts of KH3 (even though that’s not what the title will be called).
1) In the secret fight against the knight, he says that he holds a huge hatrid for Xenort.
2) He is found in Disney Castle… OBVIOUSLY he is not a bad guy if he is found here and Mickey has to know of his whereabouts (the portal is in the most important area of the castle after all… unless you guys forgot what the Cornerstone of Light does).
3) In KH2 FM Secret Ending, we see Roxas almost die (or a look alike, I am not to sure).
4) The old man has the same outfit as Xeanort’s Heartless. Also the old man has the ability to clone himself into a second being. Also the old man has the Key Blade that can open Kingdom Hearts (meaning he doesn’t need a huge collection of hearts to open it).
5) Now last time I checked, when you battle Xemnas he can clone a second person, and his named spelt differently without the X is Ansem. Xeanort was pretending to be Ansem so he called himself Ansem, this means there is a link there but Xemnas couldn’t use darkness right?
6) Now the old man can make a second form of himself and knows quite a bit about Aero Magic and Blizzard Magic, he apparently also can control Darkness because of how he opened Kingdom Hearts. What if… The Heartless and Nobody… fused?
7) Of course that is just speculation but think about it, the old man can use the abilities of BOTH the Heartless and Nobody of Xeanort and to top it all off, the Old Man knew that his Key Blade could open kingdom hearts… and Xeanort as a human researched Hearts so Xeanort woudl know if a certain Key Blade opened or closed kingdom hearts.
9) Plus if you look at the face of the Old Man, he has the same features as Xemnas and Xeanort Heartless… Xemnas’s White Hair (look at the beard) and the Heartless’s yellow eyes.
10) Also another thing to look at is when the real Ansem sacrificed himself, he was a ripe old age… maybe the power of the hearts inside the machine caused him to be absorbed into Kingdom Hearts itself and that leads to my final theory.
11) What if Ansem the Wise was abosrbed into Kingdom Hearts… what if Xeanort’s Heartless was also absorbed into Kingdom Hearts for some reason… and Xemnas was defeated when in Kingdom Hearts… perhaps… Ansem, Xemnas and Ansem the Wise… have fused into the old man, Xemnas’s White Hair, Ansem the Wises Age and Xeanort’s Heartless’s Yellow Eye’s and strength… perhaps he is the fusion of all three. Once again, speculation, the only thing we can do now is think and wait for the info to be thrown right at us with Square Enix’s brilliant way of tyeing a whole storyline together no matter how far apart they were originally.
on 17 Apr 2007 at 2:08 pm 92. way to dawn
That a good theory… and if you think about it it does make sense.
on 17 Apr 2007 at 7:05 pm 93. kh mastr
perfect sence i have to agree it sounds good
on 17 Apr 2007 at 7:05 pm 94. kh mastr
perfect sence i have to agree it sounds good
on 17 Apr 2007 at 8:17 pm 95. Donovan
check this out:
Sora= Roxas
Vexen = Even
Zexion = Ienzo
Lexaeus = Eleaus
Xigbar = Braig
I have seen the Secret Ansem Report 0 on my computer
(has a built in Translator incase I need it)
But it only talks about “The Splitting Of Hearts”
So as you can see…The makers give out obvious names for the Nobodies(Roxas has same letters as Sora just added an X) Hope this helps
on 17 Apr 2007 at 9:28 pm 96. Donovan
THE OFFICIAL GUIDE TO THE SOON-TO-BE RELEASED KH3(FOR PS3 OF COURSE)
Kingdom hearts III
Years before Sora’s adventure, there was a great war. In a place between worlds, there were those known as “Chasers”, those who had manifested great power and chanelled it through weapons they experly crafted known as the Keyblades. There were four Chasers.
The Chasers all had to power to create, save, destroy and lock world’s hearts. Their keyblade gave them enough power to unlock the energy of a worlds physical heart and be able to move from world to world.
The Chasers began to follow their own ambitions. In the place between worlds, where all of their keyblades laid to rest, the four seperated. Two followed the path of light, bringing life to the worlds, following the paths of Light and Twilight. The other two, they grew unhappy and decided that those who did not respect them should perish. They followed the path of Darkness. They began to bring destruction to worlds, destroying them.
One of the two Dark Chasers realized the faults in his ways and decided to back out. Much as Riku did, this Chaser follows the path of Dawn back to the Crossroads where he is forgiven for his ways. The final Chaser, the one they called Xehanort, would not give up, would not give in. The war began, it is unknown for how long this terrible time lasted. It has been recorded though and the Chasers are much like gods.
The war was either between great armies or just between the four Chasers, either way, the Dark Chaser, the Dark Keyblade Master known as Xehanort fought against the others in a great Keyblade war.
Xehanort was defeated, and with that, he lost something dear: his memory. Cast away he was born again by sleep. Waking up in the world of Radiant Garden, almost dead, a great Saint known as Ansem found him and offered his assistance. He promised to help him and when he realized the man’s memory was gone, he offered to help restore it.
The Chasers each had the ability to spread their power to a disciple or their spirits lived on through a bloodline or chosen ones. Passing their power on to make sure to Order of the Worlds was kept safe.
One Keyblade went to the King of all the Worlds: Mickey.
When Xehanort began to believe he was in fact Ansem, his fascination with the Keyblades grew. Unknowning even to himself who he was.
When the Heartless were born and began to create chaos, Riku was chosen to weild the next Keyblade, to save the people from destruction while Mickey was in the World of Darkness. But, Riku’s heart was tainted by his willingness to let darkness overcome him and the Keyblade was passed on to Sora.
After being selected first and later overcome by Xehanort, Xehanort was able to harvest his power to reclaim his Dark Keyblade and thus, Riku was able to have his own.
The final Keyblade was unnecessary until later, when the goodness and innocence of Kairi was able to bring hope to the other Keyblade Weilders and she too was chosen.
Roxas only had ones because he is an element of Sora.
After their adventures had ended, Mickey sends a troubling letter to Sora, Kairi and Riku. A letter that reveals Xehanort’s next plot. That he has perhaps remembered his true self. A plot to destroy the other Chasers, a plot to be the one and only Keyblade Master.
A great beast is sent to the Crossroads between worlds but is slain by one of the Chasers. The others appear from their selected paths and reclaim their Keyblades, as though they haven’t been touched in a long time. They look to the road of Darkness and the shady figure of Xehanort moves forward. Through his time within Riku, he is essentially “reborn” and while Riku tries to remove him, he is never gone. With enough power he returns to the Crossroads and a great war is about to begin once again. One that will decide the fate of the Chasers and all of those who hold a Keyblade…
on 17 Apr 2007 at 9:32 pm 97. Dinnomicx
Thanks
on 17 Apr 2007 at 9:41 pm 98. Donovan
Sorry guys last comment…
To relieve you all of your mysterious investigations on what “Birth by Sleep” means.
Remember when Xehanort somehow lost his memory?
He lost the battle and the Chasers Cast him away and he was born again by sleep.
on 17 Apr 2007 at 10:02 pm 99. way to dawn
Did you make this up or what?
on 18 Apr 2007 at 7:31 pm 100. The OathKeeper
What if…This all happened in the past! And the Guy that look like Roxas isnt him! His name is Ven.
I think this is happened before Sora was born
on 18 Apr 2007 at 7:37 pm 101. The OathKeeper
One more thing…lol that fight you had must have been veryyyyy frustanting…You took him down to 1 hp and then he beat you…Happenned to me once too
on 18 Apr 2007 at 8:31 pm 102. DarkWielder33
I also have a question about a few things number 2 never explained but were never or hardly brought up.
Why do Kairi and Riku get a keyblade?
Why are both Riku and King Mickey wearing Organization XIII cloakswhen they first appear in KHII?
and Why do some Nobodies (Organization XIII) have a human form and some just have a form sort of like a heartless?
If you find out the answers to these questions tell me?
thirtythree792@aim.com
on 18 Apr 2007 at 9:50 pm 103. A Chosen Keyblade Master
darkwielder33:
1. read haiku’s long post and then donovon’s
2. riku and king mickey were undercover….sorta…
3. i kinda forget this but it was explained in the game. it was like if they are stronger then they have a stronger form, more humanistic…
on 19 Apr 2007 at 12:15 am 104. Reese
I wonder what that message was from the king at the end of numbuh II
on 19 Apr 2007 at 12:21 am 105. Reese
I’ve got a question, why does the one knight hate Xeanort so much?
on 19 Apr 2007 at 12:24 am 106. KevKH
becuz hes Aero…. the tall knoght in the secrwet movies…..hes mad becuz they got beaten by him
on 19 Apr 2007 at 12:29 am 107. Reese
Thanks, so that tall knight’s name is aero
on 19 Apr 2007 at 3:04 am 108. Sora210
i think that the ps3’s gonna bomb and KH3 is gonna be on the 360
on 19 Apr 2007 at 3:05 am 109. Sora210
and whoes Aero
on 19 Apr 2007 at 10:35 am 110. Sephiroth
In reply to comment 67 ETC:
The bald guy is obviously related to Xhenorat one way or another considering that in the final battle wen u vs Him he can split in 2 while he owns sora his other Copy or w/e is owning riku(playing as u)So the bald guy may just b a noobody and he created a concentrated Heartless form of himself
on 19 Apr 2007 at 10:36 am 111. Sephiroth
In reply to comment 87 (woops ETC:
The bald guy is obviously related to Xhenorat one way or another considering that in the final battle wen u vs Him he can split in 2 while he owns sora his other Copy or w/e is owning riku(playing as u)So the bald guy may just b a noobody and he created a concentrated Heartless form of himself
on 19 Apr 2007 at 11:08 am 112. Thimien
ok theres no prof that the bald guy is Xehanort, if thers one thing that KH are good for, is xplanations:
the basics: a mans life is taken a keyblade or another hearless, what hpns next.
The heart goes to Kingdom Hearts, and a another heartless is born, leaving the sould and the body = nobody.
If the heart was a strong one, then the heartless and the nobody can still retain human form, not yet xplained why.
So does are the 2 forms that are left behind, and Sora had killed both of Xehanorts forms…
Only 2 people have had their hearts returned in the game, and does are Sora and Kairi, but still the nobodys stayed separate, dont know why, so they are the only 2 that met their own nobodys in the game.
So with both Xehanorts forms dead, how can it be him again? these are facts xplain within the games, wich would prove not to be him, obviasly they can come up with a story line that can make this possible, but it better be a good damn story!!! >
on 19 Apr 2007 at 7:47 pm 113. sorasbestfriend
well actually yea itd b stupid to put kh3 on ps3 its a load of crap and 2 it wont b on the 360. mayb they will still keep it on the PS2 cuz its not really last-gen its morw 2day-gen lol
on 20 Apr 2007 at 2:44 am 114. way to dawn
I believe Donovan’s idea and I think that the old man
is Xehanort with his memories and powers restored. For the people who played Kingdom Hearts, where was “Ansem”, Xehanort’s Heartless, defeated? In Kingdom Hearts (or near Kingdom Hearts). Where was Xemnas defeated? In Kingdom Hearts. So, since they were both defeated in Kingdom Hearts, I think that they weren’t killed (being defeated and being killed aren’t the same thing) and somehow met and fused to being a whole Xehanort with his memories. Or something along those lines.
on 20 Apr 2007 at 2:57 am 115. way to dawn
Oh yeah, I also think that the Nobody and the Heartless can separate at will or something like that. Remember, Xemnas can create a clone of himself? Well maybe that’s just a weaker version of Xehanort’s power. Oh before I forget, take a look at the translation of what the “Chaser” or Knight said when you first fight him. Notice that the first 2 words he says are both capitalized and look like names. I believe that Aqua is the girl with the blue hair and Ven is the guy that everyone says that he’s Roxas or looks like Roxas.
on 20 Apr 2007 at 11:32 pm 116. DarkWielder33
Does anyone know who the three armored soldiers are?
on 21 Apr 2007 at 1:56 am 117. ChainWielder33
this is darkwielder juz in case, is the secret ending in kingdom hearts 2 a preview of final mix or kingdom hearts 3
on 21 Apr 2007 at 2:42 am 118. way to dawn
Everyone go to the Another Report page and go to pages 26 & 27. It has an interview and explains some unexplained details.
on 21 Apr 2007 at 3:45 am 119. Shakespeare
Interesting theory, Donovan, but I think a lot of people have the potential to be Wielders. That’s why there can be Dark Wielders in the first place; it’s just that they have to find their own Keyblade. Besides, it’s painfully obvious that there isn’t only 1 Keyblade or something, since one, tons of people have them (Sora, Riku, Kairi, Roxas, Mickey, the knights, the old man, the old man’s accomplice…perhaps there’s a Wielder for every Keyblade?) and two, there’s tons of them in both the KH2 secret videos.
The reason that no one could use Sora’s Keyblade was because it chose him. (I use a similar concept when describing Masamune; Cloud himself said that only Sephiroth could use it, and in legend, Masamune is a holy sword. Therefore, it’s not so much that Sephiroth is the only one capable of using a 7-10 foot sword, it’s that no one else can use THAT 7-10 foot sword.)
To 116 (DarkWielder33):
The girl is named ‘Aqua’, the frozen guy who looks like Roxas is ‘Ven’, and the third one is the Enigmatic Soldier from KH2FM+. I’ve postulated in the past that the E.S.’s name is a masculine Latin form of ‘earth’. (Since Sora is Japanese for ’sky’ and Ven is Latin for ‘air/wind’, Kairi is Japanese for ‘ocean’ and Aqua is Latin for ‘water’, and Riku is Japanese for ‘land/shore’, it follows the pattern. Xehanort’s name fits in with the 4 Chasers in that, if you remove the X, his name can be rearranged to spell ‘Another’. Then, for when he loses his memory, his becomes an unknown, ‘Another X’.)
And the videos are previews of ‘KH3′, just as ‘Another Side, Another Story’ and ‘Another Side, Another Story (Deep Dive)’ were previews for KH2.
on 22 Apr 2007 at 12:39 am 120. tkirkjr
okay, the girl soldier is aqua, the soldier who looks like roxas is ven, the taller soldier is unknown.
theory 1:i believe that since xehanort is the same spelled Another, he may be the old man AND the dark soldier. heartless and there nobodies can be together even though they don’t have a heart. so he was once a soldier who gave his heart to darkness who created a nobody(old man) and a heartless(dark soldier who comes out of old man). the taller soldier can not be xehanort because when you fight him, he says he hates xehanort.
theory 2: Xehanort is the taller soldier because his nobody(xemnas) went into castle oblivion holds the room of sleeping, where either aqua or ven are located. he feels a bond in them because he once fought with them. when the old man opened kingdom hearts, you can see the tall soldier’s eyes turn hazel, which might mean he gave all his heart into sealing for his 2 companions. his heart given to the darkness to seal the deep darkness of kingdom hearts. The main evil guy of kingdom hearts 3 would be the old man and his accomplice the dark knight who want to try again to open kingdom hearts.
any comments?
on 22 Apr 2007 at 3:56 am 121. ryan
ok. You guys have some valid points. But I’m here to state the obvious. First, the crossroads. Southwest Asia is also considered a crossroads. Second, keyblade war. Asia? War in Iraq anyone. My third reason is the lost two. Well one of them is obviously Osama. That’s all I have now but I’ll keep you updated!
on 22 Apr 2007 at 7:04 pm 122. sorasbestfriend
wow ryan ur pathetic
on 22 Apr 2007 at 7:07 pm 123. mKh
ryan is an idiot
on 22 Apr 2007 at 7:07 pm 124. sorasbestfriend
Donovan u copy-cat! ppl ive seen that thing 1,000 times on other sites he didnt make that up and we can tell the chasers r good KH2FM+ ending ppl gosh
on 22 Apr 2007 at 7:09 pm 125. sorasbestfriend
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL ryan. srry ppl for double posting its so funny Osama in KH! LOL omg - dies on laughter -
on 22 Apr 2007 at 7:15 pm 126. crystal
the final mix when you fight the soldier is the place going to be the same when kh3 comes out
on 22 Apr 2007 at 7:16 pm 127. mKh
hey crystal
on 22 Apr 2007 at 7:21 pm 128. crystal
hey mkh
on 22 Apr 2007 at 9:19 pm 129. sorasbestfriend
JD yours is pretty good it makes it sound awesome mine is ok but i think yours or mine have a chance
on 23 Apr 2007 at 11:09 pm 130. Shakespeare
Yay, time to chip in my theory!
I still think that the old man is sort of like Darth Sidious (Emperor Palpatine), and Xehanort (the man in the Heartless armor) is his Darth Vader. At first, Aqua, Ven, the Enigmatic Soldier and Xehanort were all working for good (though not all 4 were presumably of the alignment of Light). Perhaps there’s a sort of equivalent to the Jedi Council for Keyblade Wielders…who knows? Perhaps that’s the purpose of the Chasers? To find those who are potential Wielders and train them to fight for the light? For the purpose of this theory, we will assume the aforementioned postulation is true.
So Aqua, Ven, E.S. and Xehanort are the four Chasers, and it’s their duty to protect Kingdom Hearts by training new Keyblade Wielders. However, as we all know, the lure of power is great, and Xehanort, already inclined toward using the Darkness, would be easy to seduce with the suggestion of more power through the Darkness.
That’s where the old man comes in and begins turning Xehanort against the other Chasers. Just as how Anakin was more powerful than pretty much any other Jedi, but was easily influenced, Xehanort and the old man were powerful enough to overwhelm the other three Chasers.
To continue the Star Wars parallel, since it’s very easy to draw (it’s practically the epitome of the Hero’s Cycle, and one of the most well-known, after all), the E.S. is like Yoda. Though the other two Chasers were (presumably) slain (Aqua’s armor is hidden deep under Hollow Bastion, as we can see in the clips from FM+, and Xemnas seems to go there frequently to gloat about his victory; one can practically hear the sarcasm in his voice as the subtitles read ‘Hisashiburi na…tomo yo’, “Long time no see…’friend’”.), the E.S. went on in exile, hidden away in that portal in the Hall of the Cornerstone.
Something even more worrying for the future is this: If you check the translated pages of Another Report, when a Heartless is killed, the heart returns to it’s body. If the body is not available (is a Nobody), then it ‘waits’. If a Nobody is killed and it’s Heartless was killed first, then they recombine normally. If the Heartless is still at large, then the Nobody disappears. This spells an unfortunate end for most of the Organization…but Xehanort’s Heartless was killed in KH1, and his Nobody in KH2.
Logically, it follows that now Xehanort’s Heart can recombine with his body, and Xehanort will return.
on 24 Apr 2007 at 4:01 pm 131. sora
i just found out that my name which is Eoghan means sora in japanese yay for me
on 27 Apr 2007 at 12:21 am 132. Axel
Man thats the most biggest keyblade I ever saw.I wonder is Roxas with those knights?
on 27 Apr 2007 at 6:32 pm 133. down in the dumps
MAN THAT GUY LOOKS TOO HARD TO BEAT.
STILL I REALY WISH TO HAVE THAT KH2 FM+
SO I CAN HAVE A CHANCE AT HIM
on 27 Apr 2007 at 6:37 pm 134. down in the dumps
ANY BODY KNOWS WHERE TO GET THAT GAME?
PLEASE I NEED AN ANSWER
MY MESSENGER IS THE FOLLOWING
sora_thekey@hotmail.com
on 27 Apr 2007 at 10:59 pm 135. master hearts
after much study i figured out that roxas is the one you people call ven and that ven is really the chaser with brown hair and aqua being the woman with blue hair
on 27 Apr 2007 at 10:59 pm 136. master hearts
either way roxas is still roxas
on 27 Apr 2007 at 11:00 pm 137. master hearts
and the ES is really vens pedicessor
on 27 Apr 2007 at 11:02 pm 138. master hearts
according to shakespeares theory the chasers were at one point taught by someone else and the ES had accually passed his hatred of xeahnort to ven
UNDERSTAND NOW?
on 27 Apr 2007 at 11:03 pm 139. master hearts
please respond to my previous posts if you think my theory is valid
on 28 Apr 2007 at 10:36 pm 140. GERALD
THE GUY THAT GOT THE SOLIDER DOWN TO 1 HP I WILL GIVE HIM LOTS OF RESPECT AND HE HAS LOTS OF STRENGHT TO DEFEAT HIM GOOD JOB!
on 29 Apr 2007 at 2:59 am 141. Kejax
yes i think that the guy in the one video looked like roxas but i think hes actually from another of nomuras new games im gonna do a bit more research on that
on 29 Apr 2007 at 10:38 pm 142. Trace
OMG Shakespeare, that’s a really good hypothesis. The best I have ever come across, to the point where I believe it to be 97.589759% true. Seriously, you may be on to something, but what of the aforementioned “memory” of Xehanort? Another thing that bugs me is Xemnas at the finale of KH2, where the three meet in that strange dimension. Something tells me that wasn’t the same Xemnas they had been fighting, the same material being, but maybe his ethereal self, as if they had gone to the darkness nobodies are believed to retreat to, the same realm Namine had feared. I am only postulating enough to get under people’s skin and make them venture further into whatever they may believe, but nonetheless, this talk about Chasers and the Keyblade War is intriguing. We can at least assume the ‘Birth by Sleep’ event occurs in the same timeline as KH2, due to Sora’s interaction with the Enigmatic Soldier… right?
on 29 Apr 2007 at 10:44 pm 143. Trace
Also, is there a video up of Xemnas and this Chaser armour that belonged to the alleged Aqua in ‘Birth by Sleep’?
on 29 Apr 2007 at 10:48 pm 144. Trace
LOL ALSO, did you know that a Chaser is not only a hunter or literally someone chasing someone else, but according to the fabulous Wikipedia, a Chaser is “a person who produces weapons, mainly for war”?
on 29 Apr 2007 at 11:50 pm 145. sorasbestfriend
omg duh! probably not but this a theory. Birth by Sleep. i know ppl have known that b4 but listen to this 1. while sora was asleep he had a dream about a great battle or something and while he was sleeping something in his heart caused his certain dreams to b BORN. therefore creating the battle and mickey went there ( the battle ) after KH2 and needed help so he sent a letter to riku and sora that he needed help\.therefore BIRTH BY SLEEP. probably not but maybe.
on 30 Apr 2007 at 12:29 am 146. MasterKeyblade777
Wait, is Aqua and Vein both the soilders that the enigma soilder was fighting with in the secret ending?
on 30 Apr 2007 at 2:02 am 147. Shakespeare
Ven cannot be Roxas (Nomura said that the 3 knights were new characters), and Ven cannot be the E.S., because it doesn’t make much sense for him to call his OWN name when trying to figure out who Sora is. He’s trying to identify him, which is why he first calls out his comrades’ names. (Perhaps that thing he did with his eyes at the end of the video made him blind after the fight?) He calls out ‘Aqua…Ven…’ and when he gets no response but knows that the person before him has a Keyblade, he’s confused. He KNOWS the person there isn’t Xehanort (presumably, Xehanort would just try to kill him instead of letting him talk), but doesn’t know who else it could be.
But now I have to re-read my theory…XDD
OK. Done. Now, considering part of Master Hearts’ other theory, about the Chasers having been trained, consider this: At the end of the first video, they all go pick up the Keyblades used by Sora, Riku and Mickey.
My theory is that they were about to set out and find the ones that each of those Keyblades had chosen, so that they could train them to be the next generation of Chasers. (Xehanort, the fourth Chaser, is missing, and thus a fourth Keyblade, Kairi’s, is missing as well.) According to this theory, the E.S. would have trained Sora, Ven would have trained Riku, and Aqua would have trained Mickey. (Ironically, this would leave Xehanort, the one who turns evil, to train Kairi, a Princess of Heart.)
on 30 Apr 2007 at 3:39 am 148. ChainWielder33
Where did the three soldiers come from and where did the old man come from and if only sora riku and king mickey hold those key blades why can the three soldiers also hold them?
on 30 Apr 2007 at 4:17 am 149. Trace
Shakespeare’s theories sound more sound by the moment. After viewing the two videos concerning the Room of Sleep (Xigbar & Zexion) and Xemnas’ trip to said room and his interaction with Aqua’s armour, I’m looking to Shakes for more info. His idea that Xehanort was a Chaser, thus an ally/FRIEND to Aqua makes sense. I’ve been thinking… Xehanort is Another X or No Heart X, isn’t it? Isn’t that a Nobodies name? Something-something-X? Does that mean that Ansem the Wise’s apprentice, Xehanort, was already a nobody? I’m trying to think… There was a guy involved with “the people who wield keys” that lost his memory, according to Xigbar, and may have also lost his heart, in essence creating a Heartless and a Nobody… Wait, Ansem from KH1 was Xehanort’s Heartless, meaning Xehanort lost his heart in order for that Ansem to live. But if Xehanort was Heartless or a Nobody already, what heart could he have lost? And what about that name? I’m sorry I can’t postulate any hypotheses, but I’ll just provide a bunch of stuff for Shakes to sort through, okay? ^.^ Birth by sleep must relate to that room. The only thing that comes from sleeping is dreaming, right? And when you think of heart and body, don’t you also think of mind and soul? Is that the theme they are going with here? So many queries and I am no closer to anything that sounds plausible!
on 30 Apr 2007 at 5:10 pm 150. Trace
I had an epiphane (sp?) of sorts here. When I postulated that Xehanort is a Nobody’s name, I may have been on to something. When Xemnas is in Hollow Bastion, before he travels the literal downward spiral into the Room of Sleep, he logs onto a computer with the username ‘Another.’ Well I’ll be, the name Xehanort is Another X. There is a correlation. Also, according to Xigbar, “people with the blade of keys started to appear and fought great battles. When they were gone, a man who had lost his memories appeared. Xemnas… no… Xehanort was taken in by Ansem around that time, was he not?” Xehanort was a Chaser and was one of those people with “the blade of keys,” along with Aqua and Ven, but lost his memory along the way. I can keep on conjuring up theories, but will it ever get us anywhere?
on 01 May 2007 at 4:55 am 151. Shakespeare
Regarding Trace’s comment on Xehanort’s name:
One of my favorite theories regarding Xehanort’s name came from a fanfic that I read. When Ansem the Wise found Xehanort and took him in, the young man had forgotten everything. Ansem asked him where he was from, how he had gotten in such a state, and always got the reply ‘I don’t remember’. When he finally asked ‘Do you at least remember your name?’ and was met with another ‘I don’t remember’, he declared that his name was “Just another X to be filled in”. Rearrange ‘Xehanort’, and you get ‘Another X’, (’another unknown’, just like in Algebra). Someone else on here pointed out that ‘Ansem’ rearranges to ‘Names’, something that seems to change a lot whenever Xehanort is involved.
But not all Nobodies have names with Xs in them, only members of Organization XIII. That is the ‘mark’ that shows that they are part of a brotherhood. Naminé’s name doesn’t have an X in it, even though she was a Nobody. (Granted, she was highly unusual, but so was Roxas, and he has an Organization name.) And besides, names like ‘Axel’ are real names that just happen to have an ‘X’ in them; being a Nobody doesn’t mean you have an X in your name, and having an X in your name doesn’t mean you’re a Nobody.
I’d go on, but it’s 11:43, and I’m really tired…and this post is gonna be long enough as it is, so I’ll just leave these last thoughts as theories (and if you want the thought behind them, just ask). There is a possibility of losing your heart multiple times and becoming whole multiple times, as long as your Heartless is destroyed before your Nobody. (Another Report says that, if that order is followed, the Heart and the Body will recombine into a whole being; in short, this means that Xehanort is alive again.)
And regarding Mind and Soul (along with Body and Heart), Secret Ansem Report #4 makes mention of separating the soul from the heart and body resulting in death, but removal of the heart does not. This is probably a tie-in to the Gaia Theory, which crops up in a lot of Squeenix games (FFVII most notably; Sephiroth and Shinra were both taking advantage of the Planet’s soul for their own ends, and on several occasions throughout the game you could hear the Planet scream in agony as its soul was sucked out by Shinra’s Mako reactors).
on 02 May 2007 at 5:15 am 152. Trace
Good call, Shakes. You got me on that one. So Xemnas/Xehanort should still be alive after the conclusion of KH2, correct? The heart and body recombined, but then what? Would he appear, but with amnesia again? With no recollection of anything? If so, that would parallel his debut appearence when Ansem the Wise took him in, which could lead anyone to believe that Xehanort’s death and rebirth is cyclic. Also, the events in Sunset Horizons and Fate of the Unknown could all be memories that Xemnas recollected in the Room of Sleep. Proof of this can be found in the set of Chaser armour Xemnas comments on when he seats himself in said room. What happened to Aqua, and the other two Chasers, had to have happened before present day, otherwise Xemnas wouldn’t have that armour. And the fact that the Enigmatic Soldier, (AKA Tomari shi Shinen”/”Remaining Thought”) has such resentment for Xehanort could be substantiated by the fact that Xehanort turned traitor. Unfortunately, this equals nothing but speculation and gossip.
on 02 May 2007 at 7:01 am 153. Shakespeare
Quite true, Xehanort should be alive now, and would be either in the Realm of Darkness like at the end of KH2, or in the room where you fought Xemnas. I think that a cyclical birth and rebirth for Xehanort would be an interesting element to the game. It would show that balance must be maintained between Light and Darkness, in that Xehanort cannot ever be completely vanquished. Nomura hasn’t said anything about the state of the person’s memory once their heart and body have been reunited, but Kairi and Sora both seemed OK.
(Interesting to note, however, is that Roxas remembered nothing of before, and lost his memory after being placed in the Digital Twilight Town. He, however, was able to regain his memories, as well…was it because of Naminé? Could she have been able to put Xemnas’ memory back together? Since Roxas had the ability to wield a Keyblade just as Sora could, does that imply that Kairi could have a similar power to Naminé that she simply hasn’t realized yet? So many questions…)
The only fictional thing that comes to mind where people have lost their memories is in Harry Potter with the use of Memory Charms. However, even if your memory has been modified, it is possible to break the memory charm. That was the purpose of the original experimentation on Xehanort; to find a way to retrieve his memory. (It wasn’t truly LOST, it just couldn’t be found.) Then, after becoming a Heartless had failed to produce the answers he was looking for, ‘Ansem’ (now Xemnas) constructed Castle Oblivion for ongoing research into memory through the use of Naminé’s power. There’s no telling how much could have been learned in Castle Oblivion and passed on to the Superior…perhaps Xehanort could have found some clue that will help him retrieve what he has lost?
With the specific use of ‘Shinen’ in the Japanese name for the E.S., it leads you to wonder, is he similar to Sephiroth’s Shinentai (Shinentai = ‘Body of thought’) in Advent Children? Or possibly like the Fayth of FFX? (Birth by Sleep; the Aeons of FFX were created by the dreams of the Fayth.) In that case, it would mean that the Chasers were dead, but somehow managing to carry on. (It could also explain why the E.S. is so tough; if he doesn’t have an actual body to damage or restrict him, then defeating him would be quite difficult.)
on 04 May 2007 at 10:42 am 154. Mixup
Shakespeare, in regards to the last thing you said in your post… you mention that the soul cannot be removed, right?
BUT… because we had no idea about the nobodies before KH2… there could be a very good chance that, instead of being the original Xehanort we see in the trailers… it could be a whole new one… we know the soul is what all Heartless and Nobodies lack, and that cannot be removed without death, we never covered the Mind. think about it… that balled dude in the trailers might not actually be the original, living Xehanort, in fact, it could be the remains of the Third aspect of a person… the last boss in KH1 was Xehanort’s Heartless, and the last boss in KH2 was his Nobody… the balled guy could be the result of a person’s Mind being released from his Body when he looses his Heart.
on 04 May 2007 at 11:40 pm 155. Sephiros
Heartless and Nobodies are not seeking for the soul, because Nobodies are body and soul. About the mind as the third element, it can be, because we dont know what happen to the mind of a person that have been divided into a heartless and nobody. I think Xehanort is a nobody because of the X in his name, Xehanort=Noheart + X or another + X, maybe the X was put there by Ansem the Wise, if you can see Ansem=Names.
Maybe Ansem the Wise as the leader of Radiant Garden, put the names of people who are lost or confuse.
Xehanort as a nobody seeks to have a heart, and made an artificial one, so he become whole again, but seeking more about the mysteries of the heart, he turns into a heartless and nobody. So Ansem is the heartless of Xehanort, who was a nobody, and Xemnas is the nobody of a nobody, Xehanort. Maybe the bald man in the video has the ability to divide himself in heartless and nobody as he pleases, but after the fight his nobody part loses his mind and was found by Ansem the wise. So the bald man is still there, but only as a heartless. The bald man I think is one of the four chaser, the other three are Aqua, Ven and the E.S. I dont know about this theory, but is the best I have found.
on 04 May 2007 at 11:57 pm 156. Mixup
Dang… that’s some good food-for-thought…
and yes, I am certain that Xehanort was one of the chasers, but probably betrayed them… if you look at the way E.S. talks about him in this battle, it really does seem like he is a traitor… but still…
the Heartless of a Nobody…
and the Nobody of a Nobody…
if we backtrack a little to KH1, wasn’t it proven that one could not artificially make a Heart (Halloween Town)?
That kinda nulls that theory…
And here is some ideas to poke around with…
It has been confirmed that the old dude in the trailer IS Xehanort, because of the way E.S. talks…
Look at Xehanort in the trailer. He is FREAKING OLD!
How can it be in the past if Xehanort is younger in KH2 than he is in the trailer. Unless he ages backwards, or something… And you can’t say it is because Nobodies and Heartless are different ages to their human counterparts-since Sora’s Nobody (Roxas) and Xehanort’s Heartless (Ansem in KH1)were both the same ages as Sora and Xehanort/Xemnas.
Maybe… a good explanation is going back to my “Third Aspect” theory, and that is not the complete Xehanort in the trailers, but the remains of an incredibly powerful person loosing there Heart and Body to become something entirely different from a Heartless or a Nobody.
And I know that is contradicting what we already know, that Xehanort became a Heartless while working for Ansem…
I suppose you may be right, though… because E.S. actually says stuff like “you are not the one I chose” or something like that… it just looks like the E.S. fight is based in the past.
Just a little food-for-thought…
The trailer shows Xehanort kicking major ass. So…
how did he wind up arriving at Ansem’s door all beaten up and with no memory. Add that to the fact Mickey was in the trailer, but has NO memory of what when he tells you about Xehanort in KH2. Do you think that could be the results of the both of them going through Castle Oblivion at one point or another? If it is… why?
I could go on some more… but this is long enough as it is…
on 05 May 2007 at 12:00 am 157. Mixup
Hell… we could answer all of those questions with a single statement…
The trailers are based in the future!
on 05 May 2007 at 2:00 am 158. Shakespeare
I don’t think that the bald man is Xehanort, I think that the one in the Heartless Armor is Xehanort. (KH1!Ansem probably wears his outfit because he considers the bald guy to be some sort of mentor to him, not necessarily because they’re the same person.) The bald man, according to my theories, turned Xehanort against the others. And how could you be the Nobody of a Nobody? Nobodies don’t have hearts, and they can’t lose what they don’t have. Besides, Xehanort couldn’t have shed his heart if he didn’t have one.
Nomura said something about what happens to the mind when someone splits into a Nobody and a Heartless (they are essentially the same, but [Xehanort’s Heartless and Xemnas] have separate minds). But since standard Nobodies operate on a higher level than standard Heartless, it can be assumed that the majority of the mind remains with the Nobody. In essence, the mind fractures, and a piece goes with each (at least in the case at hand, namely Xehanort; Kairi was pretty much comatose when she lost her heart, and Sora was a simple Shadow Heartless, but maintained enough sentience to follow Kairi. And don’t forget that Sora managed to function just fine in Castle Oblivion, when Roxas was off doing whatever for Organization XIII).
As for it taking place in the future, considering how much evidence (such as Nomura’s own statements) point to it taking place in the past…but what about an alternate dimension…one where time has no meaning? THAT’D make for an interesting twist…the old man could be Xehanort from an alternate reality, taking over Xehanort from the reality that we know in the series and corrupting what is essentially himself, and sowing the seeds for his domination with himself as his own right hand man.
Crazy.
on 05 May 2007 at 7:00 am 159. Mixup
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well that was a good idea, and seeing as how i’m fresh out of my own, i will just stop with the theories and wait patiently for more information.
on 07 May 2007 at 4:32 am 160. Shakespeare
Oh, don’t stop with theories. Theories make for good discussion, and that’s what keeps me coming here. XDD
on 08 May 2007 at 9:48 pm 161. Naxire
Hmm…this is quite the heated discussion. I would give you my input, but I think I shall simply sit back and see what you guys have to say.
on 08 May 2007 at 9:52 pm 162. Bella
Zen? Are you on?
on 08 May 2007 at 9:54 pm 163. Bella
Hello.
on 08 May 2007 at 9:55 pm 164. Rosalie
Hello Bella!
on 08 May 2007 at 9:56 pm 165. Rosalie
How are you?
on 08 May 2007 at 9:56 pm 166. Rosalie
Bella??
on 08 May 2007 at 9:57 pm 167. Rosalie
Hello??
on 08 May 2007 at 9:57 pm 168. Rosalie
Is anyone there?
on 08 May 2007 at 9:58 pm 169. Rosalie
Bella? Zen? Amy? Alice? Ariona? Anyone?
on 08 May 2007 at 9:58 pm 170. Bella
Hey, Rosie! Nobody is on! Sigh of sadness.
on 08 May 2007 at 9:58 pm 171. Rosalie
Fine I’ll just talk to myself then
on 08 May 2007 at 9:58 pm 172. Rosalie
Oh Hi Bell!!
on 08 May 2007 at 9:59 pm 173. Bella
Zen is on here somewhere…ZEN? WHERE ARE YOU?
on 08 May 2007 at 9:59 pm 174. Rosalie
I’m so happy I don’t have to talk to myself
on 08 May 2007 at 10:00 pm 175. Rosalie
I’ll help you….. ZEN CAN YOU HEAR ME?!?!?!?
on 08 May 2007 at 10:00 pm 176. Bella
on 08 May 2007 at 10:01 pm 177. Rosalie
HELLO?? ARE YOU THERE ZEN?
on 08 May 2007 at 10:01 pm 178. Zen
Sorry, my friends. I was looking for people in other places.
I like you, too, though!
How’s it going?
on 08 May 2007 at 10:01 pm 179. Bella
Dumb computer! It’s being slow. Let’s follow yesterday’s plan, Rosie!
you didn’t do your fair shair of clean up today!
on 08 May 2007 at 10:02 pm 180. Rosalie
we should